Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

Did Jack ever come back? ....well

KNOCK! KNOCK!..... "Helloooooooo Mr. Linden"

*hides the pitchfork and burning torch and turns to the mob "Awww shush he musta be sleeping!"

SO MUCH FOR FRICKIN DISCUSSION.......BUT NOT AT ALL SURPRISED

You've stated your opinion time and again. Thank you. I'm sure you think you're right. Now that you have, please allow others to do the same. We are angry, tense, and you are willingly putting yourself in the line of fire. That is, in every world, known as trolling.

You've been asked nicely by many to let us voice OUR opinions, which are just as valid and important and CORRECT to us, as your's are to you.

Wow 69 Pages to read through, I'm glad I'm not Jack.

Thought I would post my 2 cents anyhow.

Now, why in the world would LL actually POLICE the open spaces, when they can profit a lot more if they jack the prices up? They say we should be policing ourselves, but where are the tools to allow us to police others that abuse the system? They're just not there.

Get over it people, this isn't a democracy. Linden Labs is a private business, out to make a buck. Or two. We all should have seen this coming.

Its such a shame that we the merchants are the safety buffer for LL in this failing economy. If they say LL isn't hurting, its because they make money off the land fees. And of course, we merchants are hanging on to them as long as we can because its our biggest asset in our virtual businesses. When the SL economy started dying, what did most of us do? We branched out, tried new business ideas, tried to even out the losses with something else, which in most cases failed because people just don't have more money to spend. The last thing we wanted to do was downsize and sell the land.

My guess is that months later they are starting to feel the burn too, and the best thing they could think of was to find a way to tax us more. Well this is going to be bad news for you LL, I don't think its going to work. If anything, people are going to try to start getting rid of the lands even faster because now we really can't afford them anymore. We are looking for ways to cut costs, and open spaces are the first to go. Especially now.

Boy am I glad that I didn't buy those open spaces now. Have the monthly tier fee nearly double in this time of economic crisis? Seriously, what are you guys smoking. I want somadat!

Maybe that's the point though: weed out the little guys, or the marginal and dispossessed as our friend Mitch Kapor said so nicely. That way when the economy starts turning around again and corporations start to consider SL as a viable communication platform to conduct their business, there will be less of these misfit outsiders to pollute the world.

Come on guys, have the same tact as Mitch Kapor and say it like it really is. Stop punishing us for not policing those who abuse, when clearly we're not to blame.

as far as i know i don't pay less than mainland prices. i pay $75 a month for 3750 prims on my OS-sim, just like on mainland.

Ok.. So, finally, an actual bait and switch but instead of trying to get you to take a lesser product for the same price, they give you something twice as powerful for the same price?
LONG SIGH......yes dear.....but this was the BAIT!!!!!!

They Are Making It So Some People Have To Close Their Sims Down And That Is Not Right It Does Not Only Affect The Sim Owner But It Also Does The Ones Who Have Bought Or Rented Land From Them And Now There Will Be People Out Looking For Another Place For Their Business And Or Home Do The Lindens Not Care About All These People

Thank you so much Jack
One day later and I would have joined the ranks of abusers who invest in 1/4th of a new server.

Mau Nightfire.

Would you mind to stop feeding the troll?

Thank you!

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Aleco

The statement of not allowing grandfathering in this price increase may be a prelude of removing the grandfathering of all those full prim sims from $195 to $295.

Would anyone here accept an upgrade policy if LL allowed it?.. for instance trade 4 OS for a full sim (no upgrade fee) or allow the setup fee they paid get applied to a full sim from as many OS sims they wish to trade in.

Yes, I saved up and bought my dream Opensim. $20000 down and $25000 1st months tier.
Beautiful place, one house, just the two of us. Now, you have priced it beyond my means.
We had no lag problems and we bothered no one.

I will have to let it go this month and I have lost my $45000 investment.

You have lost my trust and you have lost your credibility.

I vow that not another single $USD of mine will ever flow into your hands, directly or indirectly.

yes thats right charge more for no major improvements.

Whats next? going to raise all the tier for full sim lands?

its already pricey enough as it is. I mean for petes sake. its a Virtual world. 120 bucks a month for low prim virtual land seems like a rip off.

you are really going to upset a lot of people and cause a lot of people to go without such sims.

however if it makese the sims overall less laggy in the process maybe thats good.. i guess.

seems to me honestly just a way to fill your greedy pockets more. however.

but so be it. guess it will be the last time i ever get an open sim land.

so be it.

Amazing, isn't it? LL recognizes a problem and with all the so-called creative geniuses who work there, the only solution they can come up with is an almost 100% increase in fees.

Wow!!! Such genius at work. I shudder to think what their response would be to a real problem.

I along with two partners, bought an open sim just last month, so we could create our own paradise in SL without having to worry about the neighbors; nothing commercial here and only 3 AV's in residence.

This price increase will force me to leave my paradise, and seriously curtail my spending of L$. My shopping for a new house and landscaping plants will end now as I will have no use for them.

IMO, LL will lose big in the long run on this one. Abuse like this is not only unjustified, but should not be tolerated by the residents who are the real heart and soul of SL.

This is totally Unaccpetable! I have over 100 Openspace and this policy will forsure make me dump tons back to LL !

Why cant you simply change the process and make it like the old days where you can only buy 4 openspace...

i don't have an open sim but i feel for the businesses in SL that have purchased these in good faith and for there proposed use, AGAIN linden labs punishes the whole and not the offenders,this is so wrong, why can you just not use your purchase throttle like you do every day to limit sales in SL to lessen the failed transactions when you all are working on the code behind the scenes, throttle the scripts and the avatar presence allowances in the sims you throttle everything else for us, why not this too?.

You LL are a joke really. First you offer these sims because you want to sell and when you actually do sell, you screw your customers because YOU made a calculating mistake.

You seriously are a bunch of incompetent monkeys.

Virtual enviroments are VERY scalable and you can scale everything from cpu to memory and more. How about you start learning how to scale Open Sims instead of punishing everyone and their dog for the mistakes others make? Monitor abusers and punish them instead of everyone.

How about dividing memory per Open Space so that the real abusers basically only screw up their own sim? How about limiting visitting traffic so Open Space becomes very unattractive for business? How about making normal sims more easy accessable to users instead of charging such abnormal prices? How about making mainland sims or parts of the sim more attractive to buy? In general, why don't YOU start to solve YOUR own problem instead of screwing us over?

There are really other ways to solve this then the ways you choose but as always, instead of listening to the community that pays your income to see what we all could do to solve the problems you decide to screw everyone all at once. Not even that, you also choose to up the prices while you're at it because you can expect what happens right? Everyone will toss their Open Sims so you figure "Hey if we up the prices before, the loss won't be so bad". What a "fix". Yes that's right folks, the increase LL wants us to pay, is not beeing invested in better hardware, hell no, it's basically to cover the loss of the massive Open Sim dropping that is about to happen.

There is only one reason why SL will never be big. It's because of the shitty company LL that is running it. You really are so clueless about everything you do, I have never seen such an unprofessional approach. I hope someone inworld can start a fun to start a law suit against LL because damn I would love to donate my last Lindens to that fund.

I kinda 'never' post here, but ...

No queston LL has as far back as I recall had the 'light use' in the description of opens (when they were only 1875 prims as 4-packs) use. However, the same policy merely says that if you use them for more do not expect any support as it will not be given... I read nothing that says you MAY not make other more intensive use of them.

So anyone using them for more isnt violating any TOS I can see...

I have freely agreed that other people are entitled to their opinions about the openspace sims. Those are the subject of this thread. The ones I have disagreed with are those like yourself who feel that I am not entitled to post here because I have a dissenting opinion.

Having a dissenting opinion and refusing to bow down to personal attacks is known as self-expression, not trolling.

Feel free to express any opinion you like about the subject at hand, which is the price increase on Openspace sims.

Personal comments about me, however, are not welcome and I will defend myself, so for those who don't like my comments, attacking me personally and saying I don't have a right to be here, IS trolling.

First thing that M Linden needs to do is hire someone with some customer service skills because this sort of abuse of your customers is an absolute disgrace. This is completely, totally and utterly out of order.

You sold these sims knowing damn well they weren't being used as oceans. You changed the model to encourage that use, you sold them like hot cakes knowing how they were being used. They were highlighted in Linden Lab blogs as a growth sector with no mention whatsoever that they were being used, you encouraged, you sold and then you sold some more in an explosive growth and now because you guys can't cope with a product you sold and you marketed you're stitching up estate owners.

What on earth am I getting for this extra fifty bucks? If the grid can't cope how does paying an extra fifty bucks help? The only thing I can think of is that you're hoping people will abandon them and cut back on the load, which is very likely of course but only some of the most unethical estate owners out there would think that was a good idea.

Shame on you Jack.

Star .. Simple answer is NO. Currently I dont trust what else LL will do in the future to their customers .. our current feeling is now is the time to start backing off the financial exposure of our one full sim and 12 OpenSpaces.. take the hit now etc

Even though nobody of LL might actually be listening to what I say here, I still want to point out that I am leaving.
Linden Lab did not only manage to destroy what I called 'home' in Second Life, but is also threatening my RL income.
I am pretty sure I am not the only one trying to make a (or part of a) living in SL, but with the tiers rising like this it is simply becoming impossible.

Does anybodoy of the LL-Gods up there care? I guess not....why should they? They got their money squeezed out to the max. But they seem to be forgetting that one should never bite the feeding hand (poor translation of a german saying)...this is what LL is doing to us users.
Well, no more feeding the greed of LL from myside.

Well Thank you Jack and the rest of you at Linden Labs!

Now you really did it this time, now you killed my "company" and I bet many others.
Is there really any limit on how much you just do exactly what you feel for and not care one bit of us, your customers?

Lindens Labs best move right now would be to change name to Linden Beta, because that is what you are. A Beta company that tries things over and over, and then over and over you run over us who pays. There seems to be this idea at Linden that “what ever we do, they will stay”

You knew this from the beginning, you knew that people would start renting out and during this time since you change the rules about sims you have collected the money. You could have put the new rules in from the beginning when you introduced the new landstore, but you waited. You got people to buy and then you cut off there legs, as you have done so many times before.

Linden Labs should be ashamed of themself. You should apologise to your customers, we who pays your salary

Why increase rates when things are already bad enough the way it is in the economy. Jacking up prices is just a temp fix at best. Have you all ever heard of advertising? Get more people in game instead of raising rates!

I am in full agreement with Jackson Rickenbacker. This will kill us owners. What in heck at you thinking with a 67% increase??? This is a killer.

I have 13 OS sims that I rent-out to people (1, 2 and sometimes 3). I use a full 60% of each sim as common land for all other renters on the sim group. My profit? You ready?? I make whopping $5-$10 US per sim per month. I'm not making a killing here, but I'm covering expenses and all my residents are pleased. NO one is suffering LAG on my sims. DUH ... place it in the covenant and then simply watch the scripts ... its an easy thing to do for crissakes.

I can NOT pass this on to my tenants. I will likely lose half of them, leaving ME holding the bag for tier on 6-7 SIMs. Let's see .. at the new price, that will be about $875 US!! You are KILLING my business!!!!

I am STILL reeling from the introduction of the OS sims on the market. It KILLED renting smaller than 8k lots on regular SIMs On my two regular SIMs, I am *still* eating about $300+ US per month still, as I was *forced* to commercialize them from residential. Now this??

I'm spittin' mad. If you did this on Wall Street or in *any* other business, you would be OUT of business. That is effectively what you are doing to me!!! This is the stupidest decision I have *ever* hear coming out of Linden Labs. Do NOT implement this!!!

I have 15 SIMs total ... you are going to force me to sell these and get out of this freaking game. Talk about Taxation without Representation ... is this any different?? You are clueless as to what it takes to get people to rent and the constant servicing of tnenants and their various issuses.

You guys working for the GD Osama campaign or something?? This is free market in here ... forces at work to which we land owners must adapt. Now *you* guys come along with a lousy "Spread the Wealth" plan??? Well let me tell you, your plan is NOT based on reality and you're going to be putting a LOT of us OUT OF BUSINESS!!! MY residents are not complaining about LAG and I watch the scripts here and enforce policy. THAT is what is needed ... not a damn tax increase!!!!!

Should have figured ... San Fransico ... Left Coast .... land of make-believe.

I am pissed right now ... can you tell Jack????

Maybe this was just an easy way (they thought) to raise money.
Do we know how Linden Labs is financed?
Is a CDS involved or a derivative?
What business model survives on making a client pay for the generation of a service ( set up fee) then increases the monthly rent (take it or leave it?)
The company I rent from offers a money back guarantee on the setup of the sim cost if they raise the monthly rent.

How are they going to survive?

Jack I think you are going to really cause a problem here............. I hope you go back to the drawing board........ QUICK!!!

I hope next time you kiss me when you screw me. You are making residents that are living on 12 of my OpenSpace sims homeless. So there is $3,000USD of my hard earned money out the door. I am totally disappointed in the way you (Linden Labs) operate. It is so unprofessional. I thought you hired a CEO that understood business. I have invested many, many Real Dollars and time into making Second Life a fun place for so many. With all the constant mismanagement, I have lost all pleasure and excitement for this game.