Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Definitions

I agree, I can already see adult stores adding a large "non-adult freebie" section to get around this loophole.

The establishment of anonymous accounts in June 2006 opened the doors to underage players. This resulted in international legal scrutiny, increased exposure to legal liability and damaging media coverage. Linden Lab responded by intruding into residents' sexual relationships and expelling two consenting adults for underage roleplay - even though no underage players were involved. Refusal to close the anonymous accounts and dogged insistence on an ineffective and unsound ID-based age verification system cost Linden Lab considerable political capital with no benefit. Now, three years later, LL is trying to correct this mistake.

By definition, Second Life is VIRTUAL, VOLUNTARY and ADULT. Eliminating anonymous accounts, therefore, solves 50% of the problem. Instead of creating a complicated system of filters to prevent kids accessing adult content, keep them out of SL altogether.

Next problem. When constructing the mainland, Linden Lab established a patchwork of Mature and PG sims such that a loud BDSM club can open in a Mature sim next door to a quiet, residential home in a PG sim. The introduction of a third sim type, 'Adult', though badly named (all SL is adult by definition) - let us call it 'Xtreme' instead - makes good sense. Constructing an 'Xtreme' continent and patiently allowing residents to migrate there also makes good sense.

BUT...is LL now creating a new problem?

Yes. As has been known since the dawn of time - articulated again recently by the US Supreme Court - one man's obscenity is another man's beauty. To attempt to codify the wide range of human social norms into a regulatory system is folly. At best, it will generate high monitoring and enforcement costs; at worst, it will lead to confusion and conflict within the SL community. As for merging the teen grid with the main grid:

Teen Grid + Main Grid = Teen Grid.

Of course the intent is to apply all rules fair and square! How do you suggest we handle those who do not flag their content?

John Yehall Chin Elementary school. 350 Broadway, San Francisco http://portal.sfusd.edu/template/default.cfm?page=es.chin
2 blocks from the LL office in affluent, mostly-residential and conservative North Beach.

Next door? okay, 1 row of residential apts & a new yoga place. Across the street?
391 Broadway Centerfolds http://www.centerfoldssf.com/

1 block up: The head shop "Clouds", the lingerie shop "Naughty Laundry", and another strip joint "Showgirls".

This is a mature RL area, that has a very successful and neighborhood-supported K-5th grade school, it's a popular Polling place as well. None of this RL content is AO as I see it, but most of it is M, yet a decidedly PG environment thrives in it, along with 3k/month+ residential apartments, so not a ghetto.

is ther a linden that could help mes with my erler post???

Alice

Second Life is VIRTUAL (not real), VOLUNTARY (you need to sign up for an account) and ADULT (no kids allowed). There is no need to flag anyone's content. There is no need for definitions. SL is not a playground; it is a virtual world for grown-ups.

A lot of concern is going to come out of the present situation, where there already is a mature flag for parcels that's widely ignored. Go to the All tab in search, turn mature off, type in "orgy", and the top results are big commercial places with public adult content. So what's going to be different this time around to make flagging work?

Perhaps by setting the needed flag for them, wherever possible. As is being done with classified ads that should be flagged mature. Or returning the content in question to the owner's inventory. But not by making exceptions for reasons like the variety of somebody's range of goods.

That would lead to what I tried to put in words in that incompletely quoted paragraph: Adult content being offered by general dealers on mature (not adult) land, so that currently unverified adults don't see the need to verify their age, which causes business owners who follow the rules and flag their land / move to adult land to lose most of their customer base.

Not a word you're typing is being listened to.

It never has been.

What means adult?

Is it a notion invented by puritans? What's Adult for God sake?

Jesuit, inquisition likes notions of false morality?

Will we burn the natives again because they've a different conception of morality than our clerical grand-grandmothers?

Second Life is for Adults, that's why there's a Teen Grid, so why this?

What adult concept?

The American one?

Why not the European one?

After all aren't Europeans the majority of Second Life now a day?

This is a moving sand field, why this move now?

Haven't we all more in our minds right now? E.G.: Will I loose my job next month?

Is yours safe?

Is business there so well that you feel free to alienate an important part of your paying customers?

I don't understand this move’s need, but one thing I foresee, the opportunity for a New Second Life; call it Free Life™, to flourish

This is stupid. End of sentence

P.S.: Anticipating the whole lot of criticisms I’ll receive from the Puritans and the Jesuits, I declare that I don’t produce, buy, sell, nor use “Adult” goods in SL, nor do I entertain prostitutes aka escorts in SL. My point of view is strictly philosophical and economical.

“Freedom is the only thing worth fighting for.”

I know, thanks but I already know I’m free to leave!

If this stands, I probably will. Good riddance

P.P.S.: Darwin was and is right, the world was not created in 7 days and most of us came from primates The keyword is most

P.P.P.S.:
Lord forgive them, they don’t know what they are doing.
Lord forgives them, for saying they are doing it in your name.
Lord, this billion year’s (not seven days) project of yours is contaminated, throw away this Petri dish, LOL.

I do not know how we will be able to take any "guidelines" seriously when SL's own staff don't. The Knowledge base makes it clear that PG areas should not have "horror" themes, but the Lindens worked closely with CSI when they trotted out those dozens-of-sims with the morgue/murder roleplay build.

If the rules don't apply to anyone with big money, then how can input from us "little people" matter?

Why do we need yet another mechanism to verify that people are adults when you already have one in place? I'm very confused about this, could someone please explain?

Nat

Age Verification (document verification) was a clumsy effort to find an alternative to credit card verification. The system is based on a third-party checking your DL or passport etc against a master list. The whole thing was a flop. I don't know a single person who used it. I gave it a try. It didn't work because I live in a different country from where I was born.

LL is now offering a choice of CC/PayPal verification (the defacto standard) or the old document verification system. Essentially, it is best to supply your CC or PayPal details - even if you want a free account. The CC/PayPal system is secure and robust and you don't have to tell anyone your passport number.

Sometimes it reminds me of Don Quixote, fighting against windmills. Really I don't think it will work out... The Internet is anarchy you can not really regulate it... The Music Industry will understand once and so will LL... I hope...

I would rather force people to verify their age when they make an account then to bring up a set of rules that needs so much exceptions that you don't actually have a rule... Why produce problems?

If i don't want to see boobs I go to places where I don't see them... Simple as that.

It is really weird that people are offended by naked bodies tho as it is more then antural and we all have one... tho this is MY opinion I just don'T get what offends people in nudeness anyways... again don't wanna see sex... don't go into sex club... Actually you don't see nudes there just a lot of plywood sticks attached to pants )


On the other hand this could be a great opportunity for shops and places... In an earlier century the British came up with a great idea to make people buy products from Britain.. The Mark of Merchandise Act... They invented the "Made in Germany" sign for all products from germany... good thing was, that all the people looked at that sign then bought it... So it was acutally them promotig those products... Maybe it brings good traffic if you see its an AULT place wooohoooo theres the party.... who knows... Like those "Parently, Advisory Explicit blah blah" Stickers on almost every music album...

Finally I say this will need a lot of work and the outcome will be pretty poor...

Forget those puritans... for a woman that age... Janets Nipple looked OK over here we have nipples all day and hell we haven't gone to hell yet...

Your only gonna get trouble when you get an abuse report. Like my ex did for revenge for having an escort shop in my picks. people with much more sexual content (real life photos of ass fucking) still walk around happily. So the advice is: never make angry exes.

You know, anything is better than the way stuff is done now. Now the good people are punished for losing customers since others don't flag. Only 100% flagging would be fair. 90% of flaggers will give the 10% non flaggers a huge advantage -> not listening to rules pays off. Yeah losing visitors for playing fair is crap.

1. Have a Linden, trained in the rules, personally examine the alleged violation to be sure.

2. If there is a violation, send the offender an e-mail, with a request to remove the violation within three days.

3. Provide a means for the offender to ask questions about the alleged violation.

4. Remove offending content if it is not taken down by the owner within three days.

5. Institute a policy for reviewing repeat offenders with the possible of suspension of account for repeat violations. This policy should include pre-warning (next violation could result in suspension) and provide some sort of means for the offender to ask questions about it.

I know that and you know that but I dont think the Lindens do.
Yes the grid is for adults and yes kids will get into it..
but my 15 yo nephew has both a CC and paypal and a bank account so I guess if he gets into sl.. its not gona be LL fault in court? ya like thats gona happen lol
The whole IDV thing is just a scam it wont keep kids out not even a few and the lab either knows it.. or they really need to get some brains lol

Hey why not move the PG stuff there is a HECK of alot less PG then there is Adult.. so just move the PG and leave the adults to the adults...

Okay, to sum this all up:

YOU HAVE BASICALLY,BY THIS POLICY, MADE IT ILLEGAL TO DISPLAY REPRESENTATIONS OF PUBLIC DOMAIN MASTERWORKS OUTDOORS IN WORLD ANYWHERE, OR, ANYWHERE WITHIN MATURE SIMS, NOT TO MENTIONS PG SIMS.

ACCORDING TO THIS POLICY, WORKS SUCH AS MICHEALANGELO'S DAVID, THE VENUS DE MILO, THE MEDICI VENUS, BOTTICELLI'S THE BIRTH OF VENUS WOULD ALL BE DISALLOWED.

GIAMBOLINO'S THE RAPE OF THE SABINE WOMAN WOULD BE OUT ON TWO COUNTS!

/me thinks you have put yourselves squarely in the camp of that vandals and iconoclasts.

I guess the next best thing for me to think about is developing a line of Modest Clothing to appeal to my LDS Friends and people of other cultures with high moral standards. I can do that, of course, on my free tier, so I don't need to be spending the $25 USD I do for my extra 4096m^2... lets see...that's a savings of over $300 USD to me annually.

Too bad your land sale policies have reduced mainland prices to roughly on third of what I payed for most of the 4096...

Oh, by the way, the disingenousness of holding forth on this using policies that were only set forth less than a month ago is so very frakkin' humorous... did you hire Bush's old Press Secretary and his cabale of short story writers? LOL! Too transparent for me not to howl with laughter....

If you need my, I'll be out of the Plaza in Variyar... The one in the long ribbons and bows and *very* modest dress....

Thank you very much

/me still can't stop laughing...

This thread is moving too fast! So, sorry if this is a repeat.

I would suggest changing the wording to "explicit sex or gratuitous violence will qualify a place as adult, as opposed to mature."

The reason for this wording, is that it provides a fairly specific delineator. For example, sims like gitmo, and even my sim, for that matter, have violent themes. However, they are not gratuitously violent. That is, the goal of these sims are educational. (i.e., the former, regarding prisoners of war, the latter involving profiling RL crimes).

Even so, they are designed for "mature" audiences. Whereas an RPG that say, something along the lines of grand theft auto (i.e., kill as many avies as you can), would easily fall under the gratuitous violence moniker. Hence, such would be rated "adult."

Anyway, just my two cents. Take, heave, etcetera.

I wish there would be a special task force to control this, I have seen profiles with RL photos of women performing oral sex, and advertising for webcams, etc. Others openly announcing they are prostitutes and will do anything for money. I find these terrible disturbing and imagine the kids watching all this porn. Because we all know kids are all around SL.

More then half of LL is furries :3

Your entire post is incorrect. Please reread the thread then correct your post.

Mari, I have a further question on this one. What about "extreme" content within one's own parcel? How about the individual who has a dungeon in his basement, not just an MLP bed?

let's just suppose that the words lesbian or gay are involved. as we all know, these are most likely to be labeled 'adult' content rather than just a description of a community. can i ever get away from RL in SL? not on my last gay nerve, buds