Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Definitions

It hurts english-speaking new users too. I see a lot of newbies rez in, try to ask a question, meanwhile I have my hands full trying to explain to a non-english speaker new user how to attach the translator hud I have just given them (so I can tell them how to attach the translator hud *sigh*). Eventually both users just logout in frustration and never come back.

What about something like a LGBT place?

It sure did, google 'nipplegate'. Also look up 'kids5b' while you are at it.

This new restriction will only be applied to the new adult sims and to private estates that list themselves as adult.

Funny you mention this because there's a few nudist areas not far from LL's HQ in California. Including one pretty much almost under the Golden Gate Bridge in San Fransisco.

Nudity in itself is not "adult content" And there's many cases where judges have ruled that nude is not lewd. Sorry you go to any RL nudist resort and if you try any sexual activity in public.. you're forced to leave, if not by the staff, but peer pressure from the guests.

If LL keeps up on the present course of action, soon Disneyland will look like a brothel in comparison.

I've been to adult themed places.. clearly listed in the title and description and have seen people arrive and complain they were offended at the adult activities going on. Ummm if a place has "free sex" or similar in the place name.. why did you bother going in the first place? Maybe they thought it was a code for a secret bible study group? who knows.

The whole point is, We're all suppoused to be adults in SL anyhow, and each of us has our own things we find offensive Shouldn't we know what offends us and where we should and shouldn't go already?

This is exactly the problem with trying to come up with definitions in this area. As Spider Robinson put is, "One man's meat is another man's person."

And sometimes, things that are way out there can appear innocuous at first glance.

I know a roleplay sim. There's a bar/lounge at the arrival point. Among other things in this lounge is a big bucket of green...stuff, with a "sit here" floating text title over it. Behind the bucket is a statue of a woman. She is in the grip of three big green tentacles. One holds her wrist, another her midsection, and the third an ankle.

Now...is this "sexually explicit"? There are no depictions of genitalia anywhere. There is no animation going on. There are no erotic gasps and moans appearing in chat or in an audio channel.

Ah...so this is a PG thing, you say. But, try sitting in the bucket of green slime! Hentai Japanese Tentacle Monster Rape! OMG, send it to the ghetto!!

Really the whole discussion is nonsense to me, because only adults are allowed into SL.

This entire movement may have the effect of segregating sections of SL and making them not accessible to residents who live in parts of the world outside the US and take their privacy more seriously than Americans have learned to, and simply refuse to surrender private information.

Well I can tell you I am very worried.

i own less then half a sim, but pay for half a sim...what happens if our stuff is classified as "adult"? Do we have to move? What happens..will you trade my current half a sim (I am paying for half a sim anyhow) for half a sim on the new lands? Or why not trade me for a whole sim...and I will up my tiers to match.

Who will compensate me for the amount of work we are talking about to have me change my landmark in each of my boxes so that folks can find my new shop...what about the old location..will you have an auto tp from the old sim to the new? I am guaranteed to take one heck of a hit on sales if I have to move.

I have over 200 items in my vendors, and 25 satellite shops...what about them? Will that mean they will all have to close? Who will compensate me for the lost sales in those shops? And who will compensate the sim owners where those shops are for the lost rents?

I purposefully purchased mainland that was rated mature so I would not have a problem with my shop selling "adult stuff". I do not also know what you refer to as "adult" as I cannot find the definition of what you call "adult" but I sell alcohol..that is adult by law in my country and yours...I sell new-age and bdsm stuff .. the altars themselves are not adult as they sit there..but the intent and use they will be put to is very adult. The bondage items are not obviously adult in nature..but their use is.

And what if it was...what if I were a skin seller or a very explicit adult type jewellry maker. What difference would that make?

I purchased "mature" mainland with the clear understanding that it was "adult" in nature...that what ever I chose to show in my then-tiny shop was "adult" in nature and in content...or could be at least. And now your saying your changing the definition of 'adult' and forcing me to move? Umm...I am wondering if you simply WANT to talk to my lawyer..or what? And maybe alot of other lawyers..this may be a game but my shop costs me real American dollars...and I have faithfully paid them. I earn real American dollars by selling the decanters in my shop, and you are threatening my business when I have done nothing wrong according to the implied agreement I had with you a year ago when I purchased my first stretch of mainland.

Have any of you ever heard of the GRANDFATHER clause? It forces cities to accept horses in the middle of the city if they are there prior to the law change..and it should apply here.

I am very angry, very upset and very worried. This is not something I need to be dealing with.

Kitty, I've come (whether rightly or wrongly) to the conclusion that the purpose of this proposal is to drive adult vendors from the grid. If the position was otherwise, the issues raised, and which LL says it is seeking to address, can quite obviously be addressed by taking much less drastic measures.

LL, in their infinite wisdom, is attempting to implement a change that will affect massive amounts of people to pacify what, in my opinion, is a small but vocal minority.

i am a submissive, and i do not feel that i should be forced into segregation, which is what this is. No one is forcing anyone to go to a place they do not feel comfortable, and yet, we who practice "deviancy" will be relegated to specific sims.

i have no desire to force my lifestyle upon anyone, but by the same token do not force yours upon me.

They're not a very good vocal minority, I've hardly heard a peep from people about this issue. I suspect it's more likely feedback from people who aren't part of the community and cite this as a reason why.

Yep. This is more about the potential customer than it is about the current customer. If this change is truly being done because of feedback from customers (which I highly doubt), then it is most likely feedback from people who have tried SL and quit or have never even stepped in world at all and only know about SL from the scandalous reporting done on it.

Would be nice if the actual residents who use the service daily and invest so much money and time into it were the actual focus group for once.

Ok, since this IS going to happen, let's define the extreme violence that might fall under the Adult category. Combat Samurai Island has a weapons system for sword fighting. There are blood spurts that are attenuatable through the particle density settings in the graphics tab of preferences. Death, which includes no blood or gore but just the player falling down, lasts 15 seconds, and the system is designed to operate in safe zones. This combat game is more like chess than violence, at least to me. Many groups have been formed that are called clans. There is a very large community participating and most groups do not engage in roleplay. There is no capture or sex involved. The overwhelming number of spars are two players pitting their skills against one another consentually according to the rules of Bushido. It is my hope that this activity will not be categorized as Adult.

You're probably right, and that makes LL look stupider than ever. Let's say some people come to them and say, "Hey, if SL weren't such a wretched hive of scum and villainy, we'd come there."

They say that one satisfied customer is worth ten potential customers...because the satisfied customer is already in the bag. You don't have to spend advertising and marketing and sales effort on him, he's ALREADY sold.

So, a smart business does everything they can to KEEP their current customers, and keep them satisfied. It's much more profitable than chasing after new ones.

It looks to me as if LL is wooing people outside of SL again. No guarantee of success...but they're risking what success they DO have (us!) in the process.

Hey, LL: Just in case you're actually listening, here's another couple of concepts for your marketing campaign...which I said, elsewhere, is what you ought to be doing instead of this witch hunt.

SECOND LIFE: When you've outgrown games.

or,

SECOND LIFE: Meet Real people. Live Real Life. Make Real Money.

Damn, I should be on the payroll.

This is something that is basically unenforcable unless you plan on hiring thousands of Lindens to be sex police. Your only hope is voluntary compliance and the harder you make that, the less you are going to see. Asking people to uproot, sell land, move to different sims to me seems, well idiotic is being generous.

Why must LL always make things more complicated then it needs to be? You already have an easy simple solution and it does not mean moving anyone or make a massive mess of ban lines to an already chaotic mainland. The key to success is simple and easy compliance and a simple and easy way of stopping unvarified from entering.

Simply ask residents to move all sexual activities to above 1000m. Ban all unvarified accounts from going above the old limits of around 700m. This way anything at 1000m does not even show up on the map. Perhaps a private pod or a club but it will not matter. It will not show up on the map and unvarified accounts will never know its there.

Thanks for your input - We are reading each of these responses. We'll be following up later this week with a recap and schedule of in-world brown bags next week.

UPDATE...please check condensed thread for continued dialog on the subject...
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