Xstreet SL and OnRez to Join Linden Lab!

Xstreet always works well. It is the first place i go, even if i wind up buying in world, to see what is out there. My concern is that SL has had SO many issues lately. It appears to me.. the uninformed avi who does not know about technology, that SL is having a hard time keeping up with the load demands on the system. How is taking on more going to help fix the TP issues, the log-in issues.. everything? Last weekend i think log-ins were disabled more than they were working... Last night i spent 20 mins trying to get out of a lag bubble at a sim crossing... Maybe FIX what you have already before you take on more? *sighs thinking how little Xstreet is going to work now....*

Only marekt acquisition that i was actually sattisfied with (of course its called Monopoly) was when Adobe acquired Macromedia. Why? Simply because Adobe already had great products, and knew that in no way they could ditch Flash and DW over their own GoLive and that other thing for flash i dont recall. And they didnt... DW and Flash never been better atm...

For this one, i hardly doubt it will happen like that

This is correct. (boring anecdote removed)

I have no plans to leave Second Life or XStreetSL (where I am one of the top 75 sellers.) But I have just cashed out most of my money to Paypal. I will keep moving it there until LL earns the respect that XStreetSL had previously earned.

Yeah, I went with Hippo Vend too, because I simply did NOT like the Onrez vendors. Honestly, I'm not that crazy about Onrez in the first place, because it used the same ticket system as LL and well, response times were longer.

I also don't like the fact that I can't have duplicates of the Onrez magic boxes in world. XStreet allows me to do that, so I can copies of items running while I'm moving items or in different sims if my home sim goes down.

As it stands, I'm looking at dropping Onrez from my lineup and going over to Apez. Actually, I was looking at the move before this was announced...

Part for the reasons for LL's acquiring of the aforementioned web based vendor system is simply because they had concrete plans to expand into other grids, thus making RL competition with LL even more viable, vis-a-vis, OpenLife and other such OpenSim based grids.

The more viable content creation trade gets on other grids like OpenLife, the more competition Linden Labs will face from such grids. Of course the issues of content thieft that seem to be currently rife in OpenSim grids needs to be dealt with ASAP, and they can only be done by the owners of such grids actually enforcing DMCA's as they are brought by residents according to international copyright and trademark laws. This will not happen until certain factions within OpenSim GTFU and start taking their responsibilities as Grid Owners seriously.

In the meantime I will be watching OpenSims with a keen interest and will dive in once I find one that has the same legal framework as SL without all the BS.

As someone who has a keen interest in OpenSim and is currently beta testing the technology on his system (in order to get familiar with it and see how viable it is to start a new grid), I am dismayed at Linden Lab's anticompetative moves within the virtual world markets.

Needless to say, I think it is time to seriously consider a mass exodus from SL and when I have my Adult-Oriented grid up and running, I will make sure that key people know about it so that they may move over to a new grid with proper protections for content creators and ordinary residents alike.

uuummm, LL is already renting land!

They currently have 6 full sims that can be rented for 4,000L per day.

The sim names are:
Ruthenium
Rhodium
Palladium
Osmium
Iridium
Platinum

Indeed, I'm sure the popular HippoVend tools and the Apez.biz website will now see a member increase!

Tom, I don't mean to rain on your parade here, BUT, I will. Don't you think it a bit unwise that Linden Lab start acquiring things when you can't even get SL to run 5 straight days without a hiccup?

Not only that, but seriously, Linden Lab messed up the Linden Exchange they purchased and now you are about to do the same with XStreetSL. I'm sorry, but Linden Labs' track record doesn't bode well for XStreetSL.com. Linden Labs' website is still full of security holes that have been there for MONTHS, some for YEARS, and you have done nothing about them, yet here you are, buying up another valuable resource the Community uses.

Now, let's talk about being control freaks. You can't handle that XStreetSL.com is widely popular and doing just about the same amount of business, maybe even more, then what is going on inside SL, so you buy them up? This is another step Linden Lab has taken that is nothing more then a mis-step in a LONG line of uh-oh's that they have taken recently.

I'm quite disappoiinted in this actually, but I know a secret you don't, and so I'm not going to be disappointed for long.

So Colossus those of us using On Rez vendors lose them in 6 weeks time, but a vendor system is a medium term project? I hope like the whole OpenSpace/Homestead issue you will realise that you have angered good customers and re-think your timescales. On Rez vendors are useful for cutting prims and texture lag, so if you are integrating web sales why not also integrate your sales with grid stability instead of forcing us all to create stores like the texture lag-fest GURL.

well I guess I can count on a revenue loss here. And the 2 days of log in hell. Wonder if Linden labs is going to provide a compensation to the little guys that relied on this service. cause we know they will mess this up like all their "improvements"

So now XL Street will lag, crash and we'll have to restart even more often? I agree with most here, focus on fixing the issues you currently have before taking on something else. XL Street actually worked... but since we have no choice...here we go!

Yep she is right as usual lol

what a sad day -.-

WORD!

Dear Tom and Col,

I posted some things I would like see in the new service above. But reading the other replies, I see a clear pattern here:

- The majority of web sellers are unhappy about the acquisition of XStreet and OnRez.
They liked the independence from LL because these services remained stable.

- Sellers want a reliable, web-based selling system that connects to the website.

- People want to maintain easy, affordable, and fast cashing out of Linden Dollars to PayPal accounts

- People are worried about content theft and the reliablity of the service once the transition to LL is complete.

And last but not least, but very, very, very important:

- The majority worry about the quality of service LL will be able to provide based on previous experience with LL's customer service and the stability of the grid.


After what happened with OpenSpaces, and LL deciding to do what they wanted regardless of what users wanted, think seriously about these issues when making your changes. The economy of Second Life is it's strong point as a virtual world. Without the economy, Second Life is just a game.

Is a gaming experience what LL is going for?


Please show us that you intend to keep the economy strong and that you care about addressing and finding reasonable and appropriate solutions to your user's concerns. Please don't ignore us, yet again.

Onrez rarely made me money most sales are in world or on xstreet. Yes it was free but the site was always too laggy for me. I will be busy getting all my stuff outta there today. But Iam still waiting for many answers to too many questions!

No doubt Xstreet SL and Onrez are great. The reason both of them are successful are numerous reasons, some different, some the same.

I prefer Onrez because I can link more then one SL account to the Onrez account, not so with Xstreet. I also like how VERY simple it is to transfer money to OnRez.

Xstreet SL is great too. It's marketplace is vast. You can find many things to buy.

Why I prefer these two over in-world shopping? Here's my list:
No Lag! Everyone know that these huge stores and malls have some of the worst lag issues. Not to mention those times when SL is having issues
Issues, Issues, Issues! Non-existent compared to in-world shopping. What SL issues may prevent you from a good shopping experience? Can't TP. Problem with database (please refrain from transactions). "Your item(s) are being delivered, this may take a moment, longer if SL is slow". Are those shoes or a dress? Guess I have to wait, right now all I see is gray. The list unfortunately goes on.

What Xstreet SL/OnRez issues may prevent you from a good shopping experience? Server slow/down. To be honest, I never had any issues while browsing/shopping with them.

LL says that the acquisition will "help drive traffic to inworld stores". I don't see how that is, unless this acquisition magically heals the SL world of it's ills.

I do believe that LL does they best they can (despite my better senses telling me otherwise) with addressing issues. Old issues are still present and new ones are discovered all the time. How many more issues do we all have to put with now? Soon, we won't be able to shop online without possibly inheriting many issues from LL.

So with a very sad heart, I transfer my funds to my avatar, cancel my Xstreet SL and Onrez accounts, and wait for the smoke to clear.

Something tells me that will not be for long now that the communist party that was ruling there has been over thrown from a buy out. (THANK GOD)

Any mention there of the U.S. in a positive light and you was AXED from the forum.

Hhhhhmmmm I think I hear a song coming to mind....

"I can see clearly now, the rain is gone,
I can see all obstacles in my way
Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day.

I think I can make it now, the pain is gone
All of the bad feelings have disappeared
Here is the rainbow I’ve been prayin?for
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day.

Look all around, there’s nothin?but blue skies
Look straight ahead, nothin?but blue skies

I can see clearly now, the rain is gone,
I can see all obstacles in my way
Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day. "

Actually, no it's not, it's exactly the opposite. If you were planning a similar system, now is the time to stop your efforts and focus elsewhere. Here's my reasoning that I posted on another forum earlier:

Long time residents will understand what happened to GOM - it was an accept the offer or we'll just compete situation. On top of that, and this is the real problem with LL owning these systems, is that they're able to offer a level of integration with the core of SL that other developers will not be able to provide. GOM had issues because they couldn't get LL to provide the facilities they needed to verify transactions (if I remember rightly). Of course, that isn't a problem for LL themselves as they can build the facilities required to support their own exchange.

The same will undoubtedly be true with the web shopping experience now - if you wanted to start a new one you would not be able to compete with the seamless integration that LL can provide for their own system as you won't have the facilities exposed to you in order to do so. Therefore there is very little point in trying to create a new system as it couldn't possibly be better, or at the very least couldn't possibly be integrated as seamlessly and tightly as will end up happening with XstreetSL and it's that option that will always win with the mass of users.

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Basically LL have such an obvious advantage over third party systems as to make putting the development time and effort into creating a new third party shopping web site pointless.

My thoughts exactly (what a surprise...).

It's not like I'm selling lots of stuff, but doing so with OnRez was easy and simple, while SLX is/was ...well, Alyx mentioned it all.

It's simply not worth the bother, even with the, like, 30 items that I have for sale.

I shudder to think what people selling hundreds of items on OnRez (and maybe relying financially on those sales, too) must be in for...

Sorry if this question is duplicative ... I don't have time to read all 32 pages! I have two avatars that belong to XStreet. I use a different password to log into both of my XStreet accounts for each avatar (other than the password I use to log into Second Life).

Will Second Life reset the passwords after the systems are totally integrated or will I need to do so?

I'm also assuming that since the system is going to be more integrated with Second Life that no creating of accounts with XStreet will be necessary for avatars? They will automatically be able to buy/sell without signing up?

Thanks!

Kia, I have not made many sales on On Rez, but I stuck with them because I can use their vendors for my in-world sales.

The exact opposite, because it's likely there's no more market in the near future for em (whenever i really hope it won't happens.. im using Hippo right now).
The next step will be to release the "official" SL centralized vendors (via SLX) that would provide tools and functions that the others cannot emulate because of a strictly integration with the SL propertary protocols. So anyone is forced to migrate to the new system, and all the current "private" creators will be out of market soon.
It's similar to what happened right now with SLX and OnRez, one of them agreed to being purchased because a similar "official" system developed by LL would have killed em anyway; even the purchasing of only one of them, transforming it into the "official web market" of Second Life, would have killed the other.
It happend with the land market, with LL competing with the landlords on both fronts: developing their own "estates" + make the landlords lifes harder (ie: OS price spike).
It wouldn't be so far when they'll start to sell skins, clothing and any sort of other contents with a official "SL brand" going into the final step to compete directly with the end-user... at that point it would be a second life for second life emplyers.
There's no way to "escape"... ^O_O^

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