Xstreet SL and OnRez to Join Linden Lab!
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DeeJay Beat
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Join date: 6 Oct 2006
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01-21-2009 05:02
I hate to say it but lets talk business - throughout my tenure in secondlife (Jun 06) I have watched this company (Linden Labs) time after time screw up business in secondlife, either yours or theirs with bad management, poor decisions and a lackluster give two shi!&'s attitude.
What made XLstreet (slexchange) and Onrez work is the fact they had nothing to do with linden labs. Each service was looking to out do the other just because of competition. Now they decide to buy both services. So now there is no competitor, and in the hands of a company with piss poor at best business practice track record.
I don't see this as a good thing for anyone but virtutrade and electronic sheep as they get rid of the daily headaches and pains of running their service for a nice chunk of change. Without the fuel of competition this service is going to be as good as buying mainland on the grid - its worthless. Good luck with this, but i for one will quite buying through this service as at least if you had an issue in the past someone from the secondary companies were right there to fix the issue. Let's look at the linden track record for support - Plain and simple - It sucks now and has since i started in this world, so god forbid you need support, now you have to deal with LL.
This is not a good thing for the world - its a way for LL labs to grab more of your money, piss on your support needs more and keep these other companies from offering services to other virtual world users with a linden customer base.
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Vryl Valkyrie
Owner of 3D Concepts
Join date: 30 May 2006
Posts: 257
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01-21-2009 05:03
From: Taff Nouvelle only one comment. VAT. VAT does not apply since we pay with Lindens... personally I think we should be able to pay Tier with Lindens, too.
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Lara Basevi
*Basevi Moda*
Join date: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 3
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01-21-2009 05:03
I joined onrez few weeks ago. I loaded up ~500 items. Nearly every item with 2 pictures. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME.
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Taff Nouvelle
Virtual Business Owners
Join date: 4 Sep 2006
Posts: 216
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01-21-2009 05:04
From: PatrickHufschmid Beaumont i have been banned from xstreet for no reason because a customer of mine rated my items.... I am a real life compagny and I am discussed by this cheap attitude... they not only lost me www.hufschmidguitars.com but also Halo guitars authorised replicas..... if anybody have experienced this before let me know by contacting me directly in secondlife... thanks Hello again PatrickHufschmid, > > I am very sorry but you have violated our restriction against > Alts/friends/family purchasing and rating your items once again. > Therefore, we have been left with no choice but to disable all of > your accounts. > > Your $0.92 USD has been converted in to L$, you have been given a > refund for the unused portion of your product enhancements, and all > of those L$ along with your L$ account balance have been returned > to your SL Avatar. Unfortunately, because of the seriousness of > this offense, your Xstreet accounts will be permanently disabled. > > Regards, > -- > Tigress Stormwind > Xstreet SL Service Manager So does this mean that nobody in my family group is allowed to buy my items on XStreet? I have around 100 members since the group is used for land sales as well, this is insane.
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Dahlea Milena
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Join date: 29 Jul 2008
Posts: 1
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No do NOT merge SLX Balance with in world SL!
01-21-2009 05:04
From: Velcon Ethaniel I don't really agree with linden labs shutting down onrez...I liked onrez better, it was just less popular. I also don't agree with the monopoly they're pulling, either....
In any case, I'd like x-streets to have the same posting features that onrez does...
Being able to chose a box name and edit multiple items at the same time the way onrez does is far better then having to find " add item " with difficulty on x-street.
So:
* Please transfer over the upload system and being able to edit multiple items at once. * Also, Do NOT add my SLX balance to In world SL. I love having to have a seperate balance on SL... That would NOT help in the least bit. I wonder what will happen to the Onrez Viewer, and.. I too do NOT want them to merge the SLX balances & the in world SL balance... having them separate helps me maintain a working account between my "personal" SL online purchases and my "business" online SL purchases, merging those so I have to go thru my account history all the time searching for items & purchases that I want to go back to for some reason is already giving me a headache just thinking about it...
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Miles Beck
MilesBeck.com
Join date: 20 Mar 2007
Posts: 537
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01-21-2009 05:06
From: Joelle Rodenberger Hi , I use both xstreetsl and shoponrez, and when i started the second one, I thought that the ability of adding tags to your item is a wonderful way to make them visible for your customers. I think it would be a pity to loose that. I agree.
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Taff Nouvelle
Virtual Business Owners
Join date: 4 Sep 2006
Posts: 216
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01-21-2009 05:07
From: Vryl Valkyrie VAT does not apply since we pay with Lindens... personally I think we should be able to pay Tier with Lindens, too. If you look at the X street page, you will see that you can also buy in $US, therefore it will be liable for VAT. Very shortly X-Street will be run for Americans only, the same as land rentals in SL. Non Americans cannot succesfully compete.
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Yip Jannings
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Join date: 27 Dec 2006
Posts: 4
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What the???
01-21-2009 05:09
I don't care about onrez or xstreet or what ever site or page you can buy stuff when everyday log-ins are restricted and it is almost impossible to move around when open.
I would suggest you put all energy in making SL work properly before spilling it over something that won't be of use when people stop 'playing' in SL.
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Kandy Tomorrow
Shortcut to shortcat
Join date: 2 Sep 2007
Posts: 7
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Elaborating a bit.
01-21-2009 05:10
If we are to draw parallels between real life and this "second life", then the folks over at LL would be the equivalent of the federal government.
Like the real government, LL has moved from its basic services of providing infrastructure and defense to involving itself in commerce, the arts, education, etc. etc.
And like the federal government, LL has involved itself to the point that rather than providing good infrastructure and defense, it now provides everything in mediocre quality at best.
Take a look around. How much of the things you use were created by the government? Fast cars...fast computers...fashion...art...created by individuals, not the government.
When you can log back into SL, take a look around. The awesome avatars, builds, activities, events...they were created by individuals, not LL.
Look at the country today. It's imperfect. There's injustices, there's threats, the roads are potholed, the government is clogged. Yet, it's unique, and serves as a great conduit for the technology and innovation and art we know and love in our lives.
Now look at the grid itself. Though glitchy and crashy like today, one has to give credit where credit is due. There's nothing else like it, and though it has its faults, it still serves as the conduit for everything we know and love in our second life.
Now, imagine if both the government and LL focused their efforts on what they do best, providing that infrastructure, that conduit, that allows everyone else to innovate and thrive.
This is an open plea to LL (I've been making a similiar plea to my congressperson since I've been eligible to vote):
Linden Research, remember, "Your World. Your Imagination." Your residents have imagination beyond what any focus group or employee brainstorming session or meeting could ever bring. We've created mansions, palaces, revived the past, jumped into the future, rethought the present. We've created works of art that would rival anything in the highest of museums, we've created trinkets for a moment's amusement. We have the imaginations to do all of this, and more.
We don't need you creating art. We don't need you to build our house. We don't need you to sell our goods. We can do those ourselves, we have the knowledge and the innovation and the imaginations to do it.
We just need the conduit to do it. We can't truck our amazing works to market if the roads are potholed or closed. We can't paint when someone defaces the canvas. We can't innovate if our innovations are stolen by thieves.
Give us a clean, smooth road to let us go about safely and timely. Protect us from those that would do us harm. Protect our work from exploitation.
With your infrastructure and protection, and our innovation and imagination, we can build a marvel that will beckon others to join and allow all of us to grow and prosper.
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Maggie Darwin
Matrisync Engineering
Join date: 2 Nov 2007
Posts: 186
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01-21-2009 05:12
From: SuezanneC Baskerville I wonder what it will be like if Big Spaceship gets it's hands on it. Flash. Flash and a dash of Dreamweaver? 
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Loki Ball
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Join date: 9 Oct 2006
Posts: 85
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01-21-2009 05:12
Got to thinking about this a little more. Not only is there a lot of people out there who were banned from SLX by its staff for various reasons.. But they're now no longer able to sell things on OnRez either. This creates a group of people who are unable to fairly compete in a market place. I would think that if your going to have this type of market system either on the internet or in RL that you would have to give everyone the equal opportunity to compete in the market.
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Robbie Kiama
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Join date: 11 May 2006
Posts: 44
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01-21-2009 05:13
Agree with you. SL is just in the beginning phases of development, lots and lots of energy need to be put into fixing all the posted issues and evolving the whole platform, there's lots of competition for SL out there, and they have to take care of it properly... here's the post I have about what this all means to us as Residents and business owners: http://meta-life.net/blog/winds-change-linden-labs
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Chaffro Schoonmaker
Funny Bunny
Join date: 22 Oct 2006
Posts: 137
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01-21-2009 05:13
YO, LAB! YOU HAVE PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS LEFT RIGHT AND CENTRE HERE! NOT ONE RESPONSE? Are you aware that the Internet is accessible in almost every country in the world? This means that you can have 2 (or more) people working for the same organisation in different time zones! If you have a product or service that caters for customers or users across different time zones, you may wish to consider having people around to field these questions and points as they come in, rather than waiting for half the world to go to bed, sneak on, answer the queries with a few vague responses, then lock the thread before anyone is given the right to reply. I would draw your attention to the following post, by a Linden, that I consider a binding contract. Don't make me hunt you down and bite your kneecaps. /352/21/300019/4.html#post2271609/352/21/300019/4.html#post2271609It would appear that the overwhelming majority of people posting here would very much like you to keep XStreetSL and OnRez as two seperate entities, certainly for the time being. I am sure that the price of a few premium accounts would cover hosting and domain name fees. I would respectfully ask that you agree to consider that option, and I would also very much like for you to acknowledge this post. Regards!
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Taff Nouvelle
Virtual Business Owners
Join date: 4 Sep 2006
Posts: 216
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01-21-2009 05:15
From: Kandy Tomorrow If we are to draw parallels between real life and this "second life", then the folks over at LL would be the equivalent of the federal government. Like the real government, LL has moved from its basic services of providing infrastructure and defense to involving itself in commerce, the arts, education, etc. etc. And like the federal government, LL has involved itself to the point that rather than providing good infrastructure and defense, it now provides everything in mediocre quality at best. Take a look around. How much of the things you use were created by the government? Fast cars...fast computers...fashion...art...created by individuals, not the government. When you can log back into SL, take a look around. The awesome avatars, builds, activities, events...they were created by individuals, not LL. Look at the country today. It's imperfect. There's injustices, there's threats, the roads are potholed, the government is clogged. Yet, it's unique, and serves as a great conduit for the technology and innovation and art we know and love in our lives. Now look at the grid itself. Though glitchy and crashy like today, one has to give credit where credit is due. There's nothing else like it, and though it has its faults, it still serves as the conduit for everything we know and love in our second life. Now, imagine if both the government and LL focused their efforts on what they do best, providing that infrastructure, that conduit, that allows everyone else to innovate and thrive. This is an open plea to LL (I've been making a similiar plea to my congressperson since I've been eligible to vote): Linden Research, remember, "Your World. Your Imagination." Your residents have imagination beyond what any focus group or employee brainstorming session or meeting could ever bring. We've created mansions, palaces, revived the past, jumped into the future, rethought the present. We've created works of art that would rival anything in the highest of museums, we've created trinkets for a moment's amusement. We have the imaginations to do all of this, and more. We don't need you creating art. We don't need you to build our house. We don't need you to sell our goods. We can do those ourselves, we have the knowledge and the innovation and the imaginations to do it. We just need the conduit to do it. We can't truck our amazing works to market if the roads are potholed or closed. We can't paint when someone defaces the canvas. We can't innovate if our innovations are stolen by thieves. Give us a clean, smooth road to let us go about safely and timely. Protect us from those that would do us harm. Protect our work from exploitation. With your infrastructure and protection, and our innovation and imagination, we can build a marvel that will beckon others to join and allow all of us to grow and prosper. Very well put, but that wont make LL as much money. Its all about the bottom line and nothing about making a stable world per se. LL have no interest in its uses other than the amount of cash that they can take from us.
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Matias Carter
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Join date: 23 May 2008
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01-21-2009 05:17
Funny how the lindens only reply most convinent questions...
So.... how will this affect non premium merchants? for example... will they still be able to send US to paypal? i mean nonpremium and NPIOF. Or you plan to force them to use CC?
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Jessica Hultcrantz
Knoppix and Debian addict
Join date: 22 Mar 2007
Posts: 28
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Sucessfully messed up both sites!
01-21-2009 05:18
Not only the days of free competitive systems are gone through a rough transition. The Lab has already sucessfully (!) messed up the layouts on BOTH websites. Menus are in complete disorder now. Is that the way to go? FIX IT!
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Argent Stonecutter
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Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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01-21-2009 05:20
From: Jonquille Noir So, tomorrow, if I can actually log in and stay in world for long enough... I am going to go remove all my free items from the GNUbie store, and then from the Stillman Bizarre, and then finally from my own store. GNUbie Store is run by XStreet or something? 
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Wallace Okonomi
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Join date: 22 Dec 2006
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01-21-2009 05:22
From: Vryl Valkyrie VAT does not apply since we pay with Lindens... personally I think we should be able to pay Tier with Lindens, too. VAT will be forced up in our grill once converting to paypal will come into play I think? And id VERYMUCH love ability to pay tier with lindens, provided theres no retarded fees and a decent currency rate. Hell id even go for it if the extra costs are only marginal. Lazyness comes before cheapness.  Anyway, thats a bit offtopic. I still think LL is trying to control the moneystream once again, causing heaps of slowdown because they want to cram it all through their burocratic capital mangler.
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Dolescum Bonetto
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Join date: 21 Aug 2007
Posts: 17
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Help
01-21-2009 05:22
From: Jessica Hultcrantz Not only the days of free competitive systems are gone through a rough transition. The Lab has already sucessfully (!) messed up the layouts on BOTH websites. Menus are in complete disorder now. Is that the way to go? FIX IT! Can anyone tell me how to get at the withdraw button on onrez as they have moved everything about and hidden the withdraw button, or is this another way of fleecing us?????
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PatrickHufschmid Beaumont
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Join date: 9 Mar 2007
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01-21-2009 05:23
From: Taff Nouvelle So does this mean that nobody in my family group is allowed to buy my items on XStreet? I have around 100 members since the group is used for land sales as well, this is insane. apperently yes, and yes its totally insane... I have spent tousands of real money on xstreet in banners etc... I'm promoting this living shit as much as I can for secondlife in real life to bring more residents and in a matter of 4 seconds this is what happened to me for no reason........... shame edit: here is the proof Hello PatrickHufschmid, I fully understand that ''not going to name him'' may not be an alternate account for you, but there is no question that they are a friend or family member since you purchased something for them the month before they bought and rated all of your products. As a friend or relation of the merchant sharing system resources, we feel that their relationship to the merchant disqualifies them from being able to objectively rate and/or review a product. The ratings system is for customers to express their opinion about the products they buy, not to get testimonials from family and friends. Regards, -- Tigress Stormwind Xstreet Service Manager
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Howl Howley
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Join date: 31 May 2008
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Not so sure about this
01-21-2009 05:23
One advantage about the sites not being linked to LL was that there was no monopoly and in a economy such as this, competition is a good thing. I can defiantly see the pro's for LL in all of this, but not so sure i see any to the merchants. SLX simply rocked the customer service... Onrez was a little shaky. but then again SLX took a cut of the pie... Onrez didn't.
Currency Exchange was based on supply and demand, and i think that worked very well. Now with here being no counter LL can regulate the prices. Which I personally believe will not benefit the people buying Linden dollars.
I also wonder who will be handling any pending customer service issues with either site that are still under investigation.
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PatrickHufschmid Beaumont
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Join date: 9 Mar 2007
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01-21-2009 05:25
From: PatrickHufschmid Beaumont apperently yes, and yes its totally insane... I have spent tousands of real money on xstreet in banners etc... I'm promoting this living shit as much as I can for secondlife in real life to bring more residents and in a matter of 4 seconds this is what happened to me for no reason...........
shame
edit: here is the proof
Hello PatrickHufschmid,
I fully understand that ''not going to name him'' may not be an alternate account for you, but there is no question that they are a friend or family member since you purchased something for them the month before they bought and rated all of your products.
As a friend or relation of the merchant sharing system resources, we feel that their relationship to the merchant disqualifies them from being able to objectively rate and/or review a product. The ratings system is for customers to express their opinion about the products they buy, not to get testimonials from family and friends.
Regards, -- Tigress Stormwind Xstreet Service Manager is this what you can call a professional attitude???????????
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Vryl Valkyrie
Owner of 3D Concepts
Join date: 30 May 2006
Posts: 257
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01-21-2009 05:26
From: Matias Carter Funny how the lindens only reply most convinent questions...
So.... how will this affect non premium merchants? for example... will they still be able to send US to paypal? i mean nonpremium and NPIOF. Or you plan to force them to use CC? Please give them a chance to respond. It is only about 5:30 am in California.
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Dolescum Bonetto
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Join date: 21 Aug 2007
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Uuuugh
01-21-2009 05:27
From: PatrickHufschmid Beaumont apperently yes, and yes its totally insane... I have spent tousands of real money on xstreet in banners etc... I'm promoting this living shit as much as I can for secondlife in real life to bring more residents and in a matter of 4 seconds this is what happened to me for no reason...........
shame
edit: here is the proof
Hello PatrickHufschmid,
I fully understand that ''not going to name him'' may not be an alternate account for you, but there is no question that they are a friend or family member since you purchased something for them the month before they bought and rated all of your products.
As a friend or relation of the merchant sharing system resources, we feel that their relationship to the merchant disqualifies them from being able to objectively rate and/or review a product. The ratings system is for customers to express their opinion about the products they buy, not to get testimonials from family and friends.
Regards, -- Tigress Stormwind Xstreet Service Manager[/QUOTE
Maybe tigresses friends and family cant be objective....mine can...thats how i develop my stuff for the market...they are my beta testers
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Yuriko Nishi
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01-21-2009 05:29
boooo!
shame on you LL
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