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Lord Sullivan
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04-05-2009 04:25
From: Matthew Dowd
Unfortunately the fact that Bragg wasn't entirely on the level did tend to obscure the fact that the TOS were in part successfully challenged. That said if Bragg is to be believed he did tell a Linden about the flaw in the system and that Linden alledgedly claimed that exploiting the flaw wasn't a problem - however later another Linden disagreed. For a similar reason, I worry about those who have been told by Blondin that their land is mature and not adult, in case another Linden (in response to an AR) rules differently.


I think this is the crux of the matter in the way different Lindens interpret different rulings the one thing both Adobe and Time Warner who i have worked for do sing from the same song sheet regarding policies and procedures, whereas LL as has been proven on countless times do not. I hope that within this shake up they define the policies and procedures more clearly for all the LL staff this time as it will be unfair for some i am sure

From: someone
I would also posit that the cost involved is as much if not more significant reason. Unless your investment in SL can be valued in (at least) 6 figures, the time and money involved wouldn't be worth it regardless of how strong your case would be (or you think it is). This is really the strength of EULAs.


I do have to agree with you on this point tho :) that is why i never invest into SL more than what i can comfortably afford to lose today.

From: someone
I'm less convinced. LL clearly believed that Bragg had no ground for a case (either on legal advice or not), and were clearly wrong. Moreover, when LL introduced VAT on EU customers it initially tried to apply this immediately to mainland tier despite it being paid in arrears. Any lawyer with any knowledge of the EU would have told LL that VAT does not work like US sales tax. If at the beginning of the month, someone in the EU agrees to pay 80 euro at the end of the month, then contractually they owe 80 euro at the end of the month - no more, no less. If VAT is due on that 80 euro it is take out of that 80 euro, not added to it. When LL originally tried to do, was having agreed to charge 80 euro at the beginning of the month, was to then when it came to actually taking the money, to charge 90 or more euro. They quickly changed this, so that the VAT charged would only start from the next billing period when it was pointed out that this was a clear breach of contract.


I agree there also with the VAT they did mess the start of it up, but i am lucky as we have a registered Dutch company so thankfully don't have to pay it as such to LL.

From: someone
As such I find it very hard to believe that the LL legal team looking at the way LL originally proposed to introduce VAT charged before they announce that policy. Also given that LL clearly had not considered any of the issues in moving complex builds between locations (Blondin seemed surprised that this wasn't a simply link, take, rez operation), I'm not convinced they would have done due legal dillegence beyond "well, our TOS says we can do anything so...".

Matthew


I think this will be the definer as to how LL reacts to its customer base and helps with this transition. I am hoping it will be smooth but based on history with LL i do not think it will. I am looking forward to see their clearly defined guidelines and how they intend to help the move go ahead etc. there are still so many unanswered questions :)
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Ciaran Laval
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04-05-2009 04:25
From: Lord Sullivan
Fact is people used to threaten Adobe all the time with legal action especially when they realized they didn't own the software they had purchased, but had just paid for a license to use it. People i believe will always try and challenge things like this, if some of these people are so sure of themselves why don't they put their money were their mouths are and take LL to court, i hold that it is not happening because most are barrack room lawyers :)


Oh come on, let's take the Openspace issue. LL were still advertising tier price of USD$75 at a time when a consumer would have found their first tier payment would have been USD$95. That's a clear breach of consumer laws in plenty of locations and I'd be amazed if it isn't in California but we're talking twenty bucks, who is going to go to court for the sake of twenty bucks?

There would need to be a significant loss to an individual for a court case to be worthwhile.
Grady Vuckovic
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04-05-2009 04:26
From: Matthew Dowd
My concern is that LL will try anyway - make a complete hash of it for a few months, then something else will attract their attention, and they'll forget about it (but not have fixed half the bugs introduced in the technical side), with the result that in terms of their broader objectives nothing will have been achieved, but they'll have disrupted a lot of people, broken a lot of things, and generally damaged their reputation.

Matthew

Just look at SL. Everything they have ever done IS *half-done*! They rush into things, don't think or plan anything, do whatever they want without care for what their users think, and then leave, when, like you said, they get distracted by something else.

The result of this? I think is going to be much worse than anyone can even get their head around right now.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-05-2009 04:27
From: Grady Vuckovic

What could go wrong?

pretty well everything I would think lol
From: Grady Vuckovic

They might not swap the land correctly for a start. What if LL decides that regardless of what size land you had before, now you'll only have a 4096m parcel?

they've said size for size
From: Grady Vuckovic

What if LL decides regardless of the number of prims you had before, now everyone will all be given the exact same amount when moving from Mainland to Sexland?

that's an island thing, on the mainland we're fixed prim per size
From: Grady Vuckovic

What if the move takes 2-3 weeks? Will clubs be able to be shutdown that long? Will shops? Malls?

there's going to be a transition period - they haven't said how long as yet
From: Grady Vuckovic

How will land be given out? Will it be open for everyone to buy? What will happen then? How will this affect mainland and sexland prices for land?

still don't know, but you can guarantee mainland will dive
From: Grady Vuckovic

What if LL poorly defines what is adult content? Don't move enough into Sexland, you risk not fixing the problem and having screaming parents still complaining. Move too much and Sexland will quickly run out of room! Or become excessively laggy.
What types of locations will be placed where? Surely LL wouldn't place two busy clubs directly next to each other. Or will they? How will parcels be handed out!? Where will who go where?

my mainland is laggy anyway thanks to my greedy sim neighbour. This one is going to be dicey, but if we do get to pick it then it will be the normal buyer beware I would think
From: Grady Vuckovic

What about the shapes of the parcels even? Not everyone's clubs are built and exist on perfectly square parcels. Some clubs are L-shaped or even more complex. Will the new parcels be the exact same shape and area? If so, how will LL handle EACH of these moves individually? How many people are going to work on this move to ensure it happens quickly? What if the club is built for a certain shape of land, and made to fit to the exact shape and height of the terrain? Will the terrain be transferred? How will it be copied?

it's not, they've already said that it's best efforts but they're not going down that route of helping people
From: Grady Vuckovic

There is probably a good couple of thousand things that COULD go wrong here...

and it will :)
From: Grady Vuckovic

If anyone here really thinks that this will happen quickly, in a day or something, and with no problems, and no expenses to any clubs or business's, they must be dreaming. This is a fantasy land, but outside of that fantasy there is the reality that these are real business's. And LL is actually suggesting to move them. This isn't just copying some files from one computer to another. This is moving large sections of land and buildings.

yes so that's why we'll be given a period to move, they just haven't said how long
they're not going to help us move the items

It is going to be a serious burden for anyone who moves, there'll be lost items etc galore - on top of losing search rankings, LM being invalid (despite the claim that ll will put a redirect tp on your old land) etc etc.

the biggest problem we have is that most of the LL replies are lost in all the threads. It will take a braver person than me to fish them all out and put them in their own thread. However if you do a search on Blondins name you'll come up with all his posts. that will give you more details.

/me waves hello to Grady :)
Wynochee LeShelle
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Ah and Blondin, dear
04-05-2009 04:38
Beside my other locations, I own somewhere a relative small but extraordinaire comfy 1536sqm beach area, with a protected waterfront sim in front and a protected waterfront on the left, a protected waterfront sim as right neighbor sim and protected waterfront on the sim corners added. Water where you look! This is a pure mainland paradise since months! Behind my lot is much beach too, flat like the butt of Olivia Newton John and a kind of bigger lake in the middle right part, made of linden-water too. On my left side is a small, flat, decent, nearly never visited by its owner 512 bungalow and diagonal on my right side behind me, at the very opposite corner of the sim is a small playful yacht haven with only one yacht and in the middle of the sim are three small palm isles and a middle-small house. On my left side are 4096 nothing than beach, unsold because extraordinaire expensive and the lake behind me is abandoned land. More is not on that sim - even not in the sky, except my own cool box.

The furniture I build and sell, has PG sits inbuilded and Mature cuddles and also very smutty adult stuff in direction 200+ positions. This, some small naughty things too, plus picture frames I will sell with self-designed adult art as content, I need to place that then on Ursula, plus my extraordinaire excellent designed skybox with similar content and functions.

And you know what: I WANT the exact place and the exact environment with the exact excellent and lag free, minimum scripts and wonderful horizons at all sides and all over the land, on Ursula in exchange.

Just that you know that! Ah, and the 1536sqm are group owned, by three premiums, one is main, 2 are alts. For reasons. I want not to see any trouble with tier fee increasing and stuff.

!

And no, I do *not* accept any compromises, because I searched a full year before, to find that secret nice paradise and I paid brutal painful much gold nuggets for that.

So take a pen and a paper and note all what I have written here and reserve and provide exact that for me, with no exception!

To offer any sort of other shaped or a more crowded place you can forget strictly.

Me is an occassional vampire and I bite you all at LL, if I get that not! So save your souls, while I polish my fangs!
Cal Kondo
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04-05-2009 04:46
A question regarding adult content definitions and their application.

Nude beaches are deemed mature, not adult. Residences with adult furniture and accessories are deemed mature, not adult. Now let's say someone created a nude beach and advertised it as such. Then on separate parcels, but not physically separated, around the beach they created a number of fully furnished residences for rent. There would also be a mall selling provocative clothing and maybe anatomical accessories in plain brown boxes.

How would this scenario be treated? By the letter of what has been defined so far this would all be mature, but in substance it is clearly little different from the from the sort of free sex places that exist now. Would LL police it by the letter or by the substance of what is seen on the ground?

My other point with this scenario is that there is a market now for selling adult content to NPIOFs or at least attracting them with adult content. This market will not go away and people much more creative than me will find ways to exploit it. Is LL really up to the challenge of consistently policing that fine line between Adult and mature for ever and ever and ever for all eternity no matter how big SL gets. Especially when there is an advantage for sellers to be just on the mature side of the line.
Lord Sullivan
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04-05-2009 04:50
From: Couldbe Yue
morning everyone :) (ok, just)

First of all, a quick point about age verification and npiof.

I've been dipping in and out of the XSL threads and what I'm seeing is that despite the arguments that they shouldn't be doing it as it's and adult platform, worries about data security etc etc the herd are beginning to age verify through Aristotle.

in a way they're more representative than us and assuming (wry grin) LL actually managed to sell this to the rest properly then we should seee more and more of this.

here are a couple of the threads for your viewing pleasure:





there is an element of demonstrating "that it works ok for me, what are you whining about?", but that's the nature of that forum.

So, whilst we may not know how many will ultimately verify (despite not having to if LL hold payment details) we know a proportion of them will and we're pretty well aware that LL will do whatever they want, however they want, can we get back to the logistics of the move?

my questions for Blondin for tomorrow are:

(for the third time:) What is LL going to do about XSL?

How will people end up on the land swap list? Will it be voluntary or will they be selected by LL

how much time will we be given to select and move everything over before dual tier kicks back in or will it be that once the swap is done the legacy mainland reverts to LL and we're given a certain amount of time to remove our items.

will you offer to buy people out of their current mainland if they do not wish to relocate and do not want to retain their current holdings?

will there be a facility to consolidate or increase the land holdings?

and are you going to have beaches and snow???

By now these should not be hard questions to answer.

and the output of that rescheduled meeting held on friday would be nice


Morning and i copied the poll to the RA section here:

/327/0a/315124/1.html

Hope that people will vote here as well :P
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Couldbe Yue
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04-05-2009 04:58
From: Lord Sullivan
Morning and i copied the poll to the RA section here:

/327/0a/315124/1.html

Hope that people will vote here as well :P



if you do a preview it adds the url bits and then if you substitute img for url it becomes clickable.. :)

so here it is again everyone



/me waves back to Lord Sullivan
Ciaran Laval
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04-05-2009 05:00
From: Couldbe Yue
if you do a preview it adds the url bits and then if you substitute img for url it becomes clickable.. :)

so here it is again everyone



/me waves back to Lord Sullivan


That doesn't work for all browsers, some people won't see the link at all.
Lord Sullivan
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04-05-2009 05:03
From: Couldbe Yue
if you do a preview it adds the url bits and then if you substitute img for url it becomes clickable.. :)

so here it is again everyone



/me waves back to Lord Sullivan


Thanks for reposting it as a clickable i always forget as i use linkification so all links are for me :P

I hope that people will vote in it here as maybe that will at least give an idea to LL what is thought about the system, i am going to pass the link out to our group and hopefully more people will vote on this issue, if anything it will start to maybe give a picture on the subject :)
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Couldbe Yue
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04-05-2009 05:05
From: Ciaran Laval
That doesn't work for all browsers, some people won't see the link at all.



which ones? I've checked in chrome, firefox, IE and flock? I don't use safari I admit.
Ciaran Laval
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04-05-2009 05:06
From: Couldbe Yue
which ones? I've checked in chrome, firefox, IE and flock? I don't use safari I admit.


I'm not sure, we had a thread about it in Resident Answers where some people were saying nothing appeared, ever since then when I use classifieds here I use the URL just as text and the IMG trick just to cover all bases. I don't know if it's an add in that causes the conflict but it's not 100% reliable.
Couldbe Yue
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04-05-2009 05:20
From: Ciaran Laval
I'm not sure, we had a thread about it in Resident Answers where some people were saying nothing appeared, ever since then when I use classifieds here I use the URL just as text and the IMG trick just to cover all bases. I don't know if it's an add in that causes the conflict but it's not 100% reliable.


lol why am I not surprised? half the time I have to seriously amend my posts because I use what should be harmless words that turn out to be blocked.

as we watch LL stride to mediocrity...
Grady Vuckovic
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04-05-2009 05:47
From: Couldbe Yue
pretty well everything I would think lol

they've said size for size

that's an island thing, on the mainland we're fixed prim per size

there's going to be a transition period - they haven't said how long as yet

still don't know, but you can guarantee mainland will dive

my mainland is laggy anyway thanks to my greedy sim neighbour. This one is going to be dicey, but if we do get to pick it then it will be the normal buyer beware I would think

it's not, they've already said that it's best efforts but they're not going down that route of helping people

and it will :)

yes so that's why we'll be given a period to move, they just haven't said how long
they're not going to help us move the items

It is going to be a serious burden for anyone who moves, there'll be lost items etc galore - on top of losing search rankings, LM being invalid (despite the claim that ll will put a redirect tp on your old land) etc etc.

the biggest problem we have is that most of the LL replies are lost in all the threads. It will take a braver person than me to fish them all out and put them in their own thread. However if you do a search on Blondins name you'll come up with all his posts. that will give you more details.

/me waves hello to Grady :)

/me waves hello back! :D

What LL is doing is effectively shooting themselves in their foot.

How is any of this meant to inspire confidence in large RL business's considering moving into SL? Or education institutions looking for an online web presence? How is any of this meant to make having a Second Life sim, more appealing than a website?
Since really that is what SL is competing against. The world wide web!

What stops a business from investing in SL to make a sim is, "Is it worth it?". Second Life is limited to only:
- People who have a decent internet connection
- People with a fast computer
- People with a Second Life account

Anyone who knows anything about design, knows that the best forms of online or offline locations for companies are ones that are accessible to the most people.

Making a website, is like making a store with a ramp + railing. Everyone can enter! Even those with disabilities!

Making a region in Second Life for your business, and telling potential customers to go there, is like forcing your clients to climb up a ladder to enter your store. Not only do you lose disabled people, but lazy people, the old, the weak, the overweight..

I actually own both a region in Second Life and a website. For me personally, this is the difference between them:

My sim:
I own a private region with 3750prims, only 20 people can be there at one time.
It can only be accessed by anyone with a Second Life account, and a computer that is fast enough and with an internet connection fast enough to run the Second Life client.
Cost: $375 USD (to "Buy";) + $1,140USD/Year. That's with the current $95USD/Month price, which is going up to $125USD/Month in July.

(That isn't even a full sim! A full sim, which really a large real business would need is:
$1000USD (Again, to "Buy";) + $3,540USD/Year.)

My website:
I also own a website domain name, and web hosting, with 5GB of storage and 500GB of data transfer (plenty for any small business wanting to advertise locally). My web host also provides me with a MySQL database, PHP scripting, and email accounts etc, and several other great features. There is no limit on how many people could be viewing the website at one time, except on my web host's bandwidth.
My website can be accessed by anyone with a computer, mobile phone, portable device etc, that has a internet connection, even at dialup speeds. Oh and as for "Downtime", I haven't actually seen my website "down" yet. My web host is reliable, I know that any time I tell people to go see it, they will be able to access it with no problems.
Cost: $86.4USD/Year (Yes, That's my domain name and my web hosting, that's everything, all costs involved).

Website:
-Cheap
-More accessible
-Simplier and easier for users to navigate to, and through
-More reliable
-No restrictions

Second Life region:
-Very expensive
-Only accessible to a small number of people
-Only easy to navigate for experienced users of Second Life
-Often unstable
-Lots of restrictions

Now why on Earth would any company, with a sensible business head, and with a little bit of financial planning, buy and pay for a region in SL for their company?

And further more, how would LL's terrible management of this virtual world, be helping those companies in making their decision?

What possible uses are there for companies, to warrant the purchase of a region? To be flashy? Show off?

Conferencing? Can be done with a website or even better still, with specialised conference software.

Education? Much easier with specialised software, or even in websites, than in a virtual classroom. And better, since really these education places are more interested in actually teaching the subject, than playing around with avatars or wasting time.

Showcase products? Can be done with a website easily. Unless you really need it to be in 3D, but even then you have the option of Flash or Shockware for your website to render 3D images (or the 'canvas' technology, but that doesn't work in Internet Explorer yet).. If you need much higher quality than that, your 3D images need to be pre-rendered anyway, since it would be too much of a performance hit for most computers.

Company Info? Far easier and smarter to do with a website

Help centre? Again, much easier with a website

A bank? Nope!

An online casino? Just joking..

An online 3D MMO game? ... ahh!..

This is the only one I could think of which MIGHT be easier in Second Life than anything else. An online MMO game. But even still, one has to consider:

1. Would it be cheaper than hosting the game on servers yourself?
If you have more than 100 players online at any time, you would need more than one region, and with the cost of regions per year, the cost of hosting the game in Second Life would very quickly reach the cost of hosting it yourself, if not exceed it.

2. Is Second Life fast enough for you?
Well we all know Second Life is full of lag, would you be able to make a car racing MMO game in SL? Hell no! What about a real time fighting game? Nope! So as long as your MMO game is a mainly text based role play game.. then your ok.

3. The rest of Second Life
Well if your in Second Life, then everyone else in SL will be able to come visit you. Would you mind if without warning, a swarm of Gor players or Furries decided to join your futuristic space fighting MMO game? Might ruin the theme a bit. What if suddenly while in the middle of a in-game event, your region had to restart?

4. Subscription
How would you manage who can access and play your game? SL has no features to handle such complex management of things like that.

5. Will your players want to join SL to play?
..

... I can tell at this point I'm rambling, so I'll try to finish talking. But the point I was trying to make is. Why would any company pay to have a presence in SL? They wouldn't! It's not a good investment! The only time when it MIGHT be a good investment, is when SL has a userbase bigger than WOW. And that is less and less likely to happen when LL keeps treating their users so poorly.

So why would LL do this move?
- Because it will make SL more attractive for business's? Nope, will make LL's image worse.
- Because they have to by law? Nope, no legal requirement for this.
- Because most of the users want this change? Nope, clearly.
- Because it will make them money? Nope, they said they wouldn't make this change cost anyone money.
- Because it will make SL run more smoothy? Nope, that's a technical problem anyway.
- Because it will be good for the SL economy? Nope, it will do damage.
- Because it will protect kids from seeing adult content? Nope, those who want in, will get in.
- Because it will shutup those who were complaining? Probably not, even if it does, they will be replaced by a new group of pissed off people.

Is there really ANY reason to do this? ANY at all? I can't think of a single logical or useful reason why they would do this. Other than maybe if they were bored!

"Some Linden: I'm bored. Lets go piss off residents". Is that it? :confused:

/rant off. I'm done for another week. Have fun in the thread, let me know the result.
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04-05-2009 05:58
From: Clarissa Lowell

Can there at least be mutual disclosure? I.E. Where is Aristotle based in the world? Who runs it? Address and names please. What IS Aristotle exactly.


From Aristotle's Web Site:

From: someone
Aristotle is recognized as the pioneer in political technology. Every occupant of the White House — Democrat and Republican — for more than 25 years, has been an Aristotle customer, as are most U.S. Senators, most members of the U.S. House of Representatives, and Democratic and Republican state party organizations. Year round, thousands of Americans involved in the political process — from grassroots organizers to Washington insiders — rely on Aristotle.


For their Integrity service:

From: someone
Integrity™ is a suite of widely accepted identity and age verification solutions, presented by Aristotle. Used for instant verification of government-issued ID, the service operates across various platforms, including online, interactive voice response (IVR), wireless and other mobile devices.

Their headquarters are in Washington, DC. Their Integrity division is located in San Francisco.

http://www.aristotle.com/
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Wynochee LeShelle
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04-05-2009 06:03
From: Grady Vuckovic
/rant off. I'm done for another week. Have fun in the thread, let me know the result.


Well, the fish stinks from the head first and we have do deal here with people wich are too sub-smart to overbowl a bucket of water.

I know mentaly handicapped people wich I can ask 500 questions a day and I get 500 reasonable answers.

And we know people wich we can ask 500 questions a day and we get 8 not reasonable answers - all 48 hours, - just 8.

I see there a discrepance...

Bis then, have a good week: we will drop you a line when we have them at the lanterns, viva la revolution! Caramba! Ole!
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Possible LL Strategy (edited, consolidated)
04-05-2009 06:05
I strongly recommend listening to an interview with Mitch Kapor (25 January 2008). The most important part is the middle third.



01. LL owns the leading virtual world platform
02. Opensim is not competition atm (and is unlikely to be for some time)
03. Linden Lab intends to sell the server software (boxed SL platform)
04. That means a constellation of robust virtual worlds coming on the market
05. XStreet can be the central content marketplace for all SL-platform worlds
06. LL and IBM develop interSL platform content transfer capability
07. LL wants the middle ground under the bell curve of the future constellation
08. Disneyfication helps position SLWorld for the middle ground
09. Entrepreneurs and content creators move to other worlds
10. New content flows back into SLworld from other worlds
11. LL future revenue comes from SLworld and SL platform sales

It's worth remembering that country music outsells all the rest. Disney makes a ton of money. Smurfs, Care Bears and Barbie are MEGA cash cows. So, we freaks go off to Second Matrix or Metaspherica or Cyberotica. Linden Lab lives off SLworld forever and turns the SL platform into the new 'Windows'.

I expect Linden Lab to play it safe. They have everything to gain and little to lose from adopting conservative strategies. Banality is probably a good thing for them. Again, Disney is making a fortune by grinding out the same slop year after year. I don't mean to sound condescending, but anyone with a successful business in SL knows that the money is not in high-end, premium content; it is in the mass-market stuff. Can we fault Linden Lab for adopting a similar strategy?
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Wynochee LeShelle
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04-05-2009 06:31
From: Deltango Vale
I strongly recommend listening to the interview with Mitch Kapor (25 January 2008). The most important part is the middle third.



01. LL owns the leading virtual world platform
02. Opensim is not competition atm (and is unlikely to be for some time)
03. Linden Lab intends to sell the server software (boxed SL platform)
04. That means a constellation of robust virtual worlds coming on the market
05. XStreet can be the central content marketplace for all SL-platform worlds
06. LL and IBM develop interSL platform content transfer capability
07. LL wants the middle ground under the bell curve of the future constellation
08. Disneyfication helps position SLWorld for the middle ground
09. Entrepreneurs and content creators move to other worlds
10. New content flows back into SLworld from other worlds
11. LL future revenue comes from SLworld and SL platform sales

It's worth remembering that country music outsells all the rest. Disney makes a ton of money. Smurfs, Care Bears and Barbie are MEGA cash cows. So, we freaks go off to Second Matrix or Metaspherica or Cyberotica. Linden Lab lives off SLworld forever and turns the SL platform into the new 'Windows'.

I expect the first wave of the new constellation of virtual worlds to be a mixed bag. Competition will be fierce as companies seek to position their worlds for overlapping market segments. Some will go bust, taking thousands of dollars of small-investor money with them. My hope is that there is not too much carnage in the initial phase. My concern is that a high-profile world will become embroiled in scandal that brings the entire universe of virtual worlds under government regulation. So much depends on the wit and intelligence of the first movers.

I expect Linden Lab to play it safe. They have everything to gain and little to lose from adopting conservative strategies. Banality is probably a good thing for them. Again, Disney is making a fortune by grinding out the same slop year after year. I don't mean to sound condescending, but anyone with a successful business in SL knows that the money is not in high-end, premium content; it is in the mass-market stuff. Can we fault Linden Lab for adopting a similar strategy?


Well, I have a feeling that this tricky Mitch and smart Mark and fake hippie Phillip can now come in front of the curtain and start to explain something to us... - instead of Blondin who explains all this not to us. He is like a fish who has the job to report the prime-time news to us. Blubb, blubb.

Because: what you found there, hits the nail central on the head.
Couldbe Yue
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04-05-2009 06:34
From: Deltango Vale
I strongly recommend listening to an interview with Mitch Kapor (25 January 2008). The most important part is the middle third.



01. LL owns the leading virtual world platform
02. Opensim is not competition atm (and is unlikely to be for some time)
03. Linden Lab intends to sell the server software (boxed SL platform)
04. That means a constellation of robust virtual worlds coming on the market
05. XStreet can be the central content marketplace for all SL-platform worlds
06. LL and IBM develop interSL platform content transfer capability
07. LL wants the middle ground under the bell curve of the future constellation
08. Disneyfication helps position SLWorld for the middle ground
09. Entrepreneurs and content creators move to other worlds
10. New content flows back into SLworld from other worlds
11. LL future revenue comes from SLworld and SL platform sales



The beauty of this is that the startup time for a new world is well and truly reduced. I just assumed that LL would provide the worlds and take a fee, but of course if they're selling it as a packed kit it is good news.

now all we need is someone with the time, credibility and deep pockets to do a kinkyville start up and we're away. This may be plug and play, but the supporting corporate infrastructure does need to be there :)

When the day comes I'll be first in the queue and I'll take everything I can get out of here with me.

I can feel the excitement building..
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04-05-2009 07:05
From: Couldbe Yue
The beauty of this is that the startup time for a new world is well and truly reduced. I just assumed that LL would provide the worlds and take a fee, but of course if they're selling it as a packed kit it is good news.

now all we need is someone with the time, credibility and deep pockets to do a kinkyville start up and we're away. This may be plug and play, but the supporting corporate infrastructure does need to be there :)

When the day comes I'll be first in the queue and I'll take everything I can get out of here with me.

I can feel the excitement building..


Maybe. If that virtual world thing, as LL version, sold as boxed complete system, becomes a cluster-tactic, sold to interested people with money and infrastructure available as biz-in-a-box by LL, globewide, maybe later multiconnected as a web around the globe, with easy teleports from spot to spot, from one world into the next and this endless, ever with the own complete inventory, plus free trading from and into all worlds, then I could see something positive in it.

One registered Avatar (plus alts) and free entry to all worlds and one ore more homebases by choice.

But why then, makes LL now such a bad move in front, instead to come over with the good news?

And still is the Ursula project a mistake.
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04-05-2009 07:31
we dont read the sl herald! oh crap wrong forum. um we like sex and er every time i set foot onna grid thunder shakes the ground and lighting lights up the land!
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Land Swap Question
04-05-2009 07:34
There has been some talk about the land swap. Like land offered, try and control locations of two large clubs so as to not run on same server etc.

Will the person accepting the swap be able to up their tier and pay a fee to keep their current land (or portion of their land) or will lindens take it over and place it in auction? OR if you currently have 1/2 sim, can you accept the land swap for 1/4 of land in the adult sim and keep 1/4 of your current land?
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04-05-2009 07:38
AO is not a bad move for LL or for the 3D World that is envisaged for the future. Or for us all.

AO M and PG classify behaviour not people. We all behave in different ways at different times in different places appropriately like adults. And not do as we please anywhere we want just because we think we can or simply demand it. Thats childish. LL are not telling us how to behave. What they are telling us is where and when different types of behaviour are appropriate. And as adults we understand why this is.

As is pointed out above (Mr Kapor) SL as we know it today is not the be all and end all. We are only at the beginning of an amazing adventure. What we and LL do with SL now will determine what the 3D World will be. Mr Philip, Mr Kapor and the LL Board have been consistently clear about what their determination is. And as most people recognise, there is a place for all adult behaviours in that determination.
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04-05-2009 08:00
From: Morganna Reggiane
Every person who has their address and phone number in the local "white pages" so that people who want to find them and visit/call can do so easily. How is listing your SL dwelling in Search any different? SL doesn't provide a "white pages" Search to seperate personal from commercial "listings".


Morganna


Yes, but a white pages 'ad' only has name, address, and phone number. It only 'advertises' your phone number with no other context.

It is not designed to encourage friends or strangers to come to your home for any particular activity adult or PG.

You can make the same kind of listing in the SL search. You choose the content of an 'ad' after all, not LL. They may restrict ad content, but do not actually write it.
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04-05-2009 08:10
From: Tabliopa Underwood

AO M and PG classify behaviour not people. We all behave in different ways at different times in different places appropriately like adults. ...What they are telling us is where and when different types of behaviour are appropriate. And as adults we understand why this is.


Oh thanks god. That is what I've been trying to say since I started posting in this thread. That is exactly the point. It is not about people. I am neither adult content nor am I a PG content. I am not content of any kind, I am a person, and an adult, creating and consuming content of various kinds. I am squeaky clean PG whenever I want to, and very adult the other moment, if I want to. It is really that simple.
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