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Briana Dawson
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02-20-2009 05:39
From: ProfessorKindly Kline To the point of the thread: when we first started teaching larger numbers of foreign students in my daytime job, some of my colleagues became as irritated with their struggles with punctuation as engaged with their understanding of difficult technical subjects. I was too, I admit. Then I reconsidered this position and now I encourage them to improve their English but do not make it a precondition. I don't say this is the only defensible approach but it is the one I consider more helpful in the real world. I take the same view about accents: would anybody think it is right to jeer at someone whose regional accent means you have to work a bit harder to understand them?
Sorry. Nothing to do with this situation. Jig is not speaking with a regional accent, the example is completely false. Jig is speaking with her fingers in one of the most laziness manners possible. All these people are speaking to her about these blatant typose but she is so freaking stubborn or bull headed or intentionally ignorant that she does not care. Jig is INTENTIONALLY SCREWING OVER HER ENGLISH AND CHOOSING NOT TO CORRECT IT. This has NOTHING to do with regional accents - total poppy cock. I'm ignoring her. I've really gone out of my way to respect her and TRY to read through the idiocy that are her spelling errors but - why should i put in the effort to read her crap when she does not put in the effort to make it easily readable. Since Jig is disgustingly lazy about spelling, i will be disgustingly lazy about reading what must be worthless tripe since it is not important enough to spell check. Stop defending laziness it makes you look even worse than she does.
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Argent Stonecutter
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02-20-2009 06:12
From: Briana Dawson INTENTIONALLY SCREWING OVER HER ENGLISH "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Nicoll
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Kidd Krasner
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02-20-2009 06:17
From: Ceka Cianci The fact is,if it is about good forum etiquette we need to look at both sides of that sword. Instead of someone getting on a soap box to draw attention to someones error,they should be sending a private message..Otherwise it is an attempt to make themselves look a little smarter to everyone else around them at that other persons expense.. It is not an effort to help them notice a mistake in a positive way.
I disagree with this. As you and others are saying, it doesn't take a Harvard education to be here. All it takes is a high school education to spot a spelling or grammar error. Pointing out an error doesn't make you smarter or more educated - and the people who point out errors know that. So they're certainly not doing it to impress others. Accusing them of doing that is just an ad hominem attack. The most common reason people correct errors, from what I can see, is that high error rates makes it more difficult for them to read. They'll also do so when they believe that the writer isn't even trying, or if the writer is using an argot that may be inappropriate. They may do so in public because the nature of the post makes it appropriate, or because they're unfamiliar with private messages, or don't remember that private messages exsit, or precisely because they're trying to make the point to everyone and not pick on an individual. It isn't about showing off; it's about improving the quality of the forums. I'm not trying to excuse rudeness or bullying. But polite corrections should be taken as just that, an attempt to help, without being offended or ascribing other motives.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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02-20-2009 06:25
I prefer the analogy of English being a party where the conscientious hosts cum bouncers invite in pretty girls (and good servants) from the streets, but keep out the ugly and the redundant.
Pep (Not against language development, but definitely against misuse and abuse)
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Argent Stonecutter
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02-20-2009 06:29
The English language has no "bouncers". I think you're mistaking the OED for l'Académie française.
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Jig Chippewa
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02-20-2009 06:42
Wha teh ... ????
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Jig Chippewa
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02-20-2009 06:49
And good morning to you too Briana. And teh forums arent worth keeping?? Such love as that post displays oughta be framed.
Hi Prof!
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Pserendipity Daniels
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02-20-2009 06:55
From: Argent Stonecutter The English language has no "bouncers". Really? http://www.askoxford.com/results/?view=dict&freesearch=bouncer&branch=13842570&textsearchtype=exact Oh, you mean "official" guardians? I think that the subeditors of newspapers (and books, but that is a different game) do a great informal job! And I agree that the OED does a great job of tracking and reflecting usage rather than being judgmental. Pep (I didn't check the Urban Dictionary) PS My sense of humour (and ambiguity detector) is obviously radically different from yours . . .
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02-20-2009 06:59
That's the closest I've seen to someone actually checking to see if "gullible" was in the dictionary.
It's clear that whatever the English language has, the Forums have no shortage of anal-retentive schmendricks.
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Treasure Ballinger
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02-20-2009 07:09
From: ProfessorKindly Kline Well, for the tiny numbers of people who could possibly care one way or another, Jig and I are partners in SL. That is stated openly (and permanently, I hope) on both of our profiles. She is an excellent partner: a good designer, an excellent eye for SL art, very well read, mostly calm and thoughtful, and a tendency to be hasty in typing, which I consider to be a pretty good deal. I would say that wouldn't I? Well, maybe. Some people speak well of their partners, and I've noticed that others speak badly. It takes all sorts.
No, I am not Jig's alt. What an odd thing to say 'I wont comment on whether...' - thereby commenting. So I won't comment on whether that's an intellectually impoverished sort of debating trick.
I don't know whether anybody respects my opinion or not, nor do I expect any respect beyond what the opinions deserve on their own merit: I expect some people will agree with me and some will disagree with me and apparently one will go wild, though I really don't know why.
To the point of the thread: when we first started teaching larger numbers of foreign students in my daytime job, some of my colleagues became as irritated with their struggles with punctuation as engaged with their understanding of difficult technical subjects. I was too, I admit. Then I reconsidered this position and now I encourage them to improve their English but do not make it a precondition. I don't say this is the only defensible approach but it is the one I consider more helpful in the real world. I take the same view about accents: would anybody think it is right to jeer at someone whose regional accent means you have to work a bit harder to understand them? How nice! I quoted the whole post because I liked the whole post, not because I don't know how to cut and paste. I like Jig and think her posts are interesting. I understand what others are saying, that typos make things hard to read for them. Actually, if the letters to a word are all there but placed differently, the human brain will 'assume' and move on. There was an email that went around for awhile, that had a couple of sentences that all the letters of each word were in a different spot in the word. Strangest thing, you could still read the sentence, it's like the brain just 'fixed' it. Mine did anyway. Before I came to the forum here, I didn't know that 'teh' was supposed to be some kind of affectation, and assumed it was a typo, whenever I saw it anywhere. I have a friend with low vision who can only read capital letters. I type in all caps for her. Some folks find caps hard to read, and refuse to read posts from her because of the caps. I think they are missing out on a great human being because of that, and that is their loss. Anyway, kudos for your nice post about your partner. That was a really nice thing for you to do.
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Elora Lunasea
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02-20-2009 07:34
From: Treasure Ballinger How nice! I quoted the whole post because I liked the whole post, not because I don't know how to cut and paste. I like Jig and think her posts are interesting. .... I think they are missing out on a great human being because of that, and that is their loss. Anyway, kudos for your nice post about your partner. That was a really nice thing for you to do. 1 user agrees. BTW, I think a visit to her home/gallery is in order to get a different perspective of what she is about. Their collection of SL art is massive and makes you feel like you've walked into any famous modern art museum of a large city. She and Hal have a very keen eye. If you are an art lover, I think you'll be surprised and might come away with a different opinion than you currently have of her. Or not, who can say. But I choose to ignore the inaccurate spelling in light of the other interesting things I've discovered about her.
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Ceka Cianci
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02-20-2009 08:39
From: Kidd Krasner I disagree with this.
As you and others are saying, it doesn't take a Harvard education to be here. All it takes is a high school education to spot a spelling or grammar error. Pointing out an error doesn't make you smarter or more educated - and the people who point out errors know that. So they're certainly not doing it to impress others. Accusing them of doing that is just an ad hominem attack.
The most common reason people correct errors, from what I can see, is that high error rates makes it more difficult for them to read. They'll also do so when they believe that the writer isn't even trying, or if the writer is using an argot that may be inappropriate. They may do so in public because the nature of the post makes it appropriate, or because they're unfamiliar with private messages, or don't remember that private messages exsit, or precisely because they're trying to make the point to everyone and not pick on an individual. It isn't about showing off; it's about improving the quality of the forums.
I'm not trying to excuse rudeness or bullying. But polite corrections should be taken as just that, an attempt to help, without being offended or ascribing other motives. So it's Polite to necro someones post from a thread you had no part in that was dead more than a week ago to correct them? This thread was drama..So much so that Threads were being spawned all over this section of the forums.. You kind of had to be there..every situation is different.. I'm not going to get into the wrongs and rights with you on a subject that had to have another thread to calm down the forum..
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Chipley Chippewa
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02-20-2009 11:03
Im in yur sandbox, rezzin' yur primz... O RLY? YA RLY! http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/kaepora-orly.jpgTeh OWLS 'ave it.
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Ivanova Shostakovich
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02-20-2009 11:06
I have started creating gestures that correct some of my more common typos. Yes, I am a perfectionist.
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Jig Chippewa
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02-20-2009 12:06
From: Elora Lunasea 1 user agrees. BTW, I think a visit to her home/gallery is in order to get a different perspective of what she is about. Their collection of SL art is massive and makes you feel like you've walked into any famous modern art museum of a large city. She and Hal have a very keen eye. If you are an art lover, I think you'll be surprised and might come away with a different opinion than you currently have of her. Or not, who can say. But I choose to ignore the inaccurate spelling in light of the other interesting things I've discovered about her. Thanks very much Elora. That is a lovely thing to say and everyone is invited to visit our galleries. I encourage you to do so since I feel teh potential for artists in sl is huge. You should really see what great work is coming outta UK, California, Oz and Scandinavia (to name a few). Please be our guests. Visit us. The main galleries at at 1700 metres Just fly up if you cant landmark at my Chaska Jigsaw address. I will add for my prof, Hal, who I was luck to meet one winter day when I came to sl, well, what can I say? He is a friend. And a lover in all ways. He also proves something I really never knew - that you can be everlasting and his curiosity and charm is beyond teh physical and reality. We have over 30 years in age diffrence but in many ways he is younger than me. "Teh" is so immaterial. Razz and scruff and scazz the misspellings and you'll never stop snitting. I dislike personal "in-jokes" or intimacies in a public forum but hal knows what I mean when I say that he is the "boy on teh train" to me. And always will be. I hope you have someone like him on your "line". (And Chipley is not me - I have never met another Chippewa in sl)
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Chipley Chippewa
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02-20-2009 12:31
"  And Chipley is not me - I have never met another Chippewa in sl)" Lol! Either have I! Chippewas for teh win! 
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Eyerocker Picket
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02-20-2009 13:50
heh been watchin this thread for a bit and remembered something i found this handy dandy lolmatic translator that is tons of fun for about 30 seconds. http://members.shaw.ca/nixon.com/lolmatic/DIZ I IS SURE IZ HOW DEY TALK LIEK DIZ sorry...i surf a lot of them internets
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Jig Chippewa
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02-20-2009 13:56
From: Chipley Chippewa "  And Chipley is not me - I have never met another Chippewa in sl)" Lol! Either have I! Chippewas for teh win!  When tehy made us tehy broke teh mold. 
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Kidd Krasner
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02-20-2009 14:22
From: Ceka Cianci So it's Polite to necro someones post from a thread you had no part in that was dead more than a week ago to correct them? This thread was drama..So much so that Threads were being spawned all over this section of the forums.. You kind of had to be there..every situation is different.. I'm not going to get into the wrongs and rights with you on a subject that had to have another thread to calm down the forum.. I didn't say that. Necroposting is frequently the wrong thing to do whether it's to correct grammar or point out in a two-year old thread that something got fixed one year ago. Of course every situation is different. All I was saying that correcting spelling or grammar in public is usually not motivated by a desire to show off, and can be done politely.
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Elizabeth Barrett
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02-20-2009 16:04
From: StaggerLee Voom Why? Seriously, explain it to me like I'm a three year old. Along with hawt, bewts, smexy, kitteh, and all that other jive. It makes me apoplectic. Makes me mute people. Makes me TP out before I violate several TOS clauses.
Yeah I'm a gnarly goat dude so of course I don't get it.
'Splain, Lucy.... for me 'teh' is a dyslexic moment i suffer from often, i do try to read over everything i type before hitting enter, but some things slip by ass backwards. i typed a whole word in backwards last night, looked down before hitting enter and it took a second before my mind could comprehend what my fingers had typed : P lizzie
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02-20-2009 16:50
From: Elizabeth Barrett for me 'teh' is a dyslexic moment i suffer from often, i do try to read over everything i type before hitting enter, but some things slip by ass backwards. i typed a whole word in backwards last night, looked down before hitting enter and it took a second before my mind could comprehend what my fingers had typed : P lizzie Fair enough, Iv'e misstyped it as "teh" myself on occassion, but you have to wonder about someone who can spell most other words just fine but seems completely incapable of spelling "the" correctly at all. It's just a troll attention getter swiped from last century and most are falling for it hook, line & sinker.
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Victoria Kemsley
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02-20-2009 20:13
From: Tegg Bode Fair enough, Iv'e misstyped it as "teh" myself on occassion, but you have to wonder about someone who can spell most other words just fine but seems completely incapable of spelling "the" correctly at all. It's just a troll attention getter swiped from last century and most are falling for it hook, line & sinker. One person agrees The law of averages would say she would type it correctly occasionally. To mistype it all the time indicates intent
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Moundsa Mayo
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02-25-2009 20:25
Or it could be:
1) An artifact of the location of the 't' and 'h' keys; 2) That many type using their two index fingers; 3) Which MAY be the fastest two fingers we have; 4) And the two characters will thus be typed closest together in time; 5) And are therefore more likely to be hit in an order other than intended; 6) And are more often typed than many other sequences due to the high frequency of occurrence of 'the' in English; 7) And some keyboards may have faulty n-key rollover microprocessor algorithms (as did the Northgate Omnikey AND Ultrakey);
Or not.
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Kasuga Hax
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02-26-2009 00:27
From: StaggerLee Voom Why? Seriously, explain it to me like I'm a three year old. Along with hawt, bewts, smexy, kitteh, and all that other jive. It makes me apoplectic. Makes me mute people. Makes me TP out before I violate several TOS clauses.
Yeah I'm a gnarly goat dude so of course I don't get it.
'Splain, Lucy.... Splain? spleen? plain? It's internet language. Over the years of bastardized language online, some people start developing, or rather de-evolving their real sense of grammar. They want to sound cool, but little do they know they just make a fool of themselves.
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02-26-2009 03:07
From: Moundsa Mayo Or it could be:
1) An artifact of the location of the 't' and 'h' keys; 2) That many type using their two index fingers; 3) Which MAY be the fastest two fingers we have; 4) And the two characters will thus be typed closest together in time; 5) And are therefore more likely to be hit in an order other than intended; 6) And are more often typed than many other sequences due to the high frequency of occurrence of 'the' in English; 7) And some keyboards may have faulty n-key rollover microprocessor algorithms (as did the Northgate Omnikey AND Ultrakey);
Or not. You've never encountered trolls out in their native habitat of the internet have you? 
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