Can Any One Help Me Understand, Please?
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Chris Norse
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09-23-2008 17:48
From: Kharma Cooperstone Well, I think its ridiculous. Someone as respected as Ivan could of at least been notified by LL that action was going to be taken. And as he stated, he has been a PAYING member and having spent endless amounts of money, he at least deserved some respect from LL on this issue. It amazes me how they can just go in and freeze someones account. Someone who has done nothing but good things for SL. This angers me to no extent. SOrry to hear this happened to you Ivan, but you got lots of ppls behind ya!!! Take care Hennessey What difference does it make who it is or how "respected" they are? The rules are the rules. He should be treated no different than a day old noob.
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JerryDon Lane
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09-23-2008 17:48
He he....At least we are discussing this like mature Avis..... 
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Colette Meiji
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09-23-2008 17:50
From: Brenda Connolly It's probably more fascism than socialism, I prefer to think of it as a Tyranny where power is delegated by whoever wears the sequined codpiece.
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Joachim Sicling
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09-23-2008 17:51
I am totaly confused.. I thought LL had some more important issues to solve, i.e. unstable client,.. unstable grid,.. uncertain ToS,.. and many many more.
[irony] but - indeed - it's way more important to care for *maybe* annoying firstnames for now. I truly understand that. [/irony]
If LL really needs some occupational therapy they better go wash the dishes.
Arbitrary decisions in combination with hungry for attention holders of the power and misuse of it is pure poison to any community.
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Sindy Tsure
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09-23-2008 17:51
From: Sapphire Hotaling Chris, I think you missed the part where I explained that Ivan REQUESTED his name be changed, not long after he rezzed inworld...and was blatantly REFUSED. Now, that's really the part that makes no sense. /me did indeed miss that part and yes, that's a bit messed up.
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JerryDon Lane
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09-23-2008 17:57
Exactly, Guys......Who is the parliament in here........Who is the supreme court.......who elected who to run our SL lives? You tell me? You are here avi man....you will lick my ass and you will pay me for that privilege.
I say, OK Lindens........Tally me Bananas.......Daylight's a comin and I want to go home. Or seek change in a world that I love.
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Chris Norse
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09-23-2008 17:58
From: JerryDon Lane Exactly, Guys......Who is the parliament in here........Who is the supreme court.......who elected who to run our SL lives? You tell me? You are here avi man....you will lick my ass and you will pay me for that privilege.
I say, OK Lindens........Tally me Bananas.......Daylight's a comin and I want to go home. Or seek change in a world that I love. We volunteered to be under Linden rule when we clicked accept. No parliament, no supreme court, no elections (thank God).
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Sapphire Hotaling
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09-23-2008 17:58
And..another point I didn't touch on, LOL! The word 'erection' is defined by Dictionary.com as follows:
e·rec·tion /ɪˈrɛkʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-rek-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. the act of erecting. 2. the state of being erected. 3. something erected, as a building or other structure. 4. Physiology. a distended and rigid state of an organ or part containing erectile tissue, esp. of the penis or the clitoris
NOW..that being said...wouldn't one think..that the word 'erection'...is a matter of WHERE one's mind resides? Hmmm????
Had Ivan named himself 'IvanHugeHardOn' I could see that. I've seen MANY companies in RL name themselves an 'Erection' company.
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Love Kawaguichi
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09-23-2008 18:03
To remove Ivan's name without warning is pure wrong when Ivan has done nothing to make this a worthly casue. There's so many issues that needs to be addressed here why pick on someone that has done nothing but help people here. Ivan is always there to give anyone a helping hand.
Remember the saying dont judge a book by it's cover.
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Gabriele Graves
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09-23-2008 18:03
From: Catz Jewell So I guess someone named Pussy is ok with you guys then? How could you be Pussy Galore otherwise ?  If you are a James Bond fan that is 
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Chris Norse
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09-23-2008 18:07
From: Love Kawaguichi To remove Ivan's name without warning is pure wrong when Ivan has done nothing to make this a worthly casue. There's so many issues that needs to be addressed here why pick on someone that has done nothing but help people here. Ivan is always there to give anyone a helping hand.
Remember the saying dont judge a book by it's cover. Because the name violated the rules and the people charged with enforcing them caught wind of it? I doubt the Linden who did this took time from working on stabilizing the grid to police name changes
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Alicia Sautereau
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09-23-2008 18:10
lol Ivan ask those bloody idiots to just rename your normal avi ps forwarded it to pan and suu 
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Brenda Connolly
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09-23-2008 18:11
Unfortunately, Ivanerection got he shaft from LL.
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CrazyIvan Oh
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09-23-2008 18:17
From: Chris Norse Because the name violated the rules and the people charged with enforcing them caught wind of it? I doubt the Linden who did this took time from working on stabilizing the grid to police name changes that's where you are wrong Chris , she did nothing to help the server problem my sim was experiencing at the time, this 4 month member only saw fit to report my name and my problem persists
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Brenda Connolly
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09-23-2008 18:23
From: Colette Meiji This is pretty much the thing. Names are required to be "PG".
Evidently someone being an "Erection" in SL isn't "PG".
Go figure. There was that Kid in "Growing Pains" named Boner.
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Peggy Paperdoll
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09-23-2008 18:32
Crazyivan........have you put in a support ticket on this? It seems no one knows the real why..........which is very unforntunate. Maybe you can get an answer from them.........all you will get here is speculation and quotes from the TOS and CS as to possible reasons. You don't know that the "4 month member" is the one who reported you........coincidences do happen. Besides the "4 month member" could very well be 5 year charter member......Linden Lab often hires from the resident pool in SL.
As for the facts and statements laid out in this thread, your name could be construed to be in violation of the CS (possibly the TOS)......it's a judgement call on someone's part at the very least. And, if someone did AR you about the name, that would almost tie the people in charge of enforcing TOS and CS violations hands.......and they felt they must act as they did. If you can get them to tell you, it might make sense. As it stands now, it's up in the air. Wild speculations, guesses, and accusations of incompetence.
It ain't answering the question.
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CrazyIvan Oh
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09-23-2008 19:41
Here is how it went down, I was working on my sim, building furniture, that's what i do. I get the notice "you are being logged out of SL" So i try to relog and am unable to do so. The message says my account wont be available for an hour. I waited and tried again and still not able to log in. Yes, i tired all the alternative ways to get in to no avail. Finally, I went to the website and contacted support, live chat. That's when i was informed that my account had been suspended. I was made to change my name on the spot or just leave sl. NO other notice was given via email or even an im. And no matter what their status is, it no excuse for just being rude and have this "God " complex that they won't even speak to you.
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Rika Watanabe
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09-23-2008 19:45
Wait a moment. Did they actually rename an account or force the creation of a new one? Because if they did rename it... ...I wonder... Can we AR a last name like 'Recreant'? I remember Trout being very upset with it. 
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Jade Angkarn
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09-23-2008 20:07
From: Brenda Connolly Unfortunately, Ivanerection got he shaft from LL. ROFL. He could have changed his name to "Woody." Oh wait, someone else I know has that name... The *way* they went about this, is terrible. I keep hearing more and more instances of LL just banning and shutting off accounts with no notification. Can't they even set up a standardized form letter to send out in email? Sheez.
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Alicia Sautereau
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09-23-2008 20:23
From: Jade Angkarn The *way* they went about this, is terrible. I keep hearing more and more instances of LL just banning and shutting off accounts with no notification. Can't they even set up a standardized form letter to send out in email? Sheez. no they can`t or else those reports would stop coming... decency is rocket science, long live annonimity 
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JerryDon Lane
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09-23-2008 20:25
I have a Woody Erection.....I get it LOL!!!!!
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Kathy Morellet
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09-23-2008 20:32
Personally, I think it is a horrible way to treat your customers. But it seems to be standard practice for LL to just lock accounts with no notice whatever. And the only way to find out why is to file a support ticket and/or call them. Even then, it is difficult to even find out what the "offense" was in order to appeal or correct the problem.
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Lexa Hastings
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Rules are Rules?
09-23-2008 20:48
From: Chris Norse What difference does it make who it is or how "respected" they are? The rules are the rules. He should be treated no different than a day old noob. Some residents seem to be under the impression that rules are rules in SL. Anyone who has been in-world longer than 5 minutes will tell you that the enforcement of SL rules is arbitrary at best. It's hit or miss and we all learn, over time, to ignore and tolerate many violations of LL "standards." The fact that standards are enforced based primarily on reports from fellow residents makes the process even more arbitrary. Given that arbitrary nature, dont you think that people who have supposedly violated rules, should be notified as such and given a chance to rectify the situation BEFORE having their account suspended. Suppose the same thing happened to you because some unknown person took offense at something you did or didnt do in sl. Wouldn't you ask questions, make assumptions and try to figure out the details. It has become extremely apparent that this "due process" does not exist in sl. It makes one "guilty until proven innocent" and virtual world or not I find this very disturbing. I wonder if people figure out they can accuse someone of offense without being accountable for making those accusations.....oh my....a whole new breed of griefing springs to mind. What happened to Ivan can happen to anyone in SL...dont believe for a second that it might be limited to something as obvious as a "suggestive" name.
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Osprey Therian
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09-23-2008 21:16
If that had been my name I'd've been pleased to be able to change it.
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Sapphire Hotaling
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09-23-2008 21:40
From: Osprey Therian If that had been my name I'd've been pleased to be able to change it. Osprey...did you read the entire thread, and think for a moment about this? Ivan DID try to change his name...and was told he couldn't. In time, Ivanerection Oh became his identity...his 'character' as some would say, in this virtual world called SL. Now, after TWENTY months of going by Ivanerection Oh...his identity was stripped from him, without any sort of explanation or resemblance of one. Ivan builds...and he's a very GOOD builder...building..is the same as ERECTING something...it's the first definition in any dictionary. And, Lexa, you are SO right! I see an entirely new method of griefing coming about. Ticked off at someone? Blow something out of proportion, tell a Linden, get revenge....while the people controlling avatars in SL that should have their accounts suspended, for commiting federal crimes while in SL...are still members...still going on. SL is no different than RL...the criminals and deviants run amock with no repurcussions for their actions, while those who are using SL for it's intended purpose are punished because someone didn't read the first two definitions in the dictionary... I've observed so much in SL that has been allowed to be ignored, overlooked. I know the Lindens can't 'police' everyone...there's just too many residents for that. But, why...when complaints are pouring in about those avs that should be suspended..are they not? And, all it took, obviously...was one greenhorn Linden...who said she was 'offended'...which, by the way...her avatar first name is that of a porn star. Wait a minute...I think feel a moment of being offended here... To me...the entire incident reeks of a newbie Linden who has their fingertips on the reins of power...eager to use that newfound power on the first unsuspecting av she runs onto that she can claim she's offended by...and not even give them the common courtesy of a 'hey...I think your name might be offensive...can we talk?" I see a LOT is SL that offends me...but you know what? It's just like RL...if you don't like it...then don't ferking look! 'nuff said.
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