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Damien1 Thorne
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09-25-2008 13:52
From: Carli Dancer
You sure seem to know a lot about your friend's erection!

Well everyone says he is a popular guy. :p
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09-25-2008 14:01
From: Damien1 Thorne
Well everyone says he is a popular guy. :p


Oh, he must be a real individual (stands out in a crowd).
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09-25-2008 14:02
From: Kitty Barnett


<snip>

Feel free to spend a day walking up to people in RL holding up a sign that says "I have an erection".

If you make it home without getting slapped, kicked, escorted out of buildings or just plain arrested I'll concede that that phrase isn't "broadly offensive".

<snip>



I honestly think that someone could do that in London and no one would take much notice.

Well maybe, some kind hearted soul might say, "Congratulations, jolly good show!" or something - but most people would just laugh or ignore it.
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09-25-2008 14:03
OK, I stand corrected. All this talk about PG is a red herring (as is the use of "mature";). The TOS says:
From: someone
2.3 You need to use an account name in Second Life which is not misleading, offensive or infringing. You must select and keep secure your account password.

You must choose an account name to identify yourself to Linden Lab staff (your "Account Name";), which will also serve as the name for the graphical representation of your body in the Service (such representation, an "Avatar";). You may not select as your Account Name the name of another person to the extent that could cause deception or confusion; a name which violates any trademark right, copyright, or other proprietary right; a name which may mislead other users to believe you to be an employee of Linden Lab; or a name which Linden Lab deems in its discretion to be vulgar or otherwise offensive.


That's pretty broad, and certainly gives LL the right to act as they have.

It doesn't mean that Ivan did something *bad* or *wrong*, he just misjudged what "Linden Lab deems in its discretion to be vulgar or otherwise offensive".

I think it's a bit prudish to be so easily offended, but that's my opinion, which along with $4 will get you about a gallon of gas.
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09-25-2008 14:05
From: Kitty Barnett
LL's definition of PG is "not mature", the MPAA's definition isn't relevant here.

Also his name wasn't "Erection" but "I have an erection".


No, it was "IvanErection". It's a play on words, in case you didn't notice.
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Qie Niangao
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09-25-2008 14:18
From: Tammy Toll
[...] I am so disgusted with LL to treat a wonderful man like Ivan this way ..who also has his own SIm and business here..we spend our money for this?? to be treated like this?? The Lindens should to be going after the sex clubs,
:eek:
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the child abuse.
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OMG they let an adult act like a five year old..
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but suspend someone for using a funny name???..What about all the S&M that is going on here!!!
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The LL should be going after those people not a respected DJ and businessman. [...]
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So, what's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this?
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09-25-2008 14:27
From: Deira Llanfair
I honestly think that someone could do that in London and no one would take much notice.

Well maybe, some kind hearted soul might say, "Congratulations, jolly good show!" or something - but most people would just laugh or ignore it.

I think you'd be OK as long as the sign was the only thing visible.
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09-25-2008 15:24
From: Lear Cale
OK, I stand corrected. All this talk about PG is a red herring (as is the use of "mature";).
The PG bit comes from the community standards (Indecency):
From: someone
Second Life is an adult community, but Mature material is not necessarily appropriate in all areas (see Global Standards below). Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M).

Names of Residents, objects, places and groups are broadly viewable in Second Life directories and on the Second Life website, and must adhere to PG guidelines.
The definition of PG meaning "non-mature" is in the "Global Standards" portion:
From: someone
All areas of Second Life, including the www.secondlife.com website and the Second Life Forums, adhere to the same Community Standards. Locations within Second Life are noted as Safe or Unsafe and rated Mature (M) or non-Mature (PG)
JerryDon Lane
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09-25-2008 15:54
*****The PG bit comes from the community standards (Indecency)*****


Why is a guy having a hard on "indecent?" Please explain that. even little boys have hard ons.....Little girls have prepubescent breasts. This is not decent?...LOL.......It's freaking nature.

Stick your heads in the sand and hide your eyes. OMG, men have Peters!

You guys are just a bunch of 18th century, "burn em at the stake" prudes.
Brenda Connolly
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09-25-2008 16:20
From: JerryDon Lane
*****The PG bit comes from the community standards (Indecency)*****


Why is a guy having a hard on "indecent?" Please explain that. even little boys have hard ons.....Little girls have prepubescent breasts. This is not decent?...LOL.......It's freaking nature.

Stick your heads in the sand and hide your eyes. OMG, men have Peters!

You guys are just a bunch of 18th century, "burn em at the stake" prudes.


You really aren't getting the point. Most are not really taking issue with him having a silly name. And most of us don't care if he kept it or not. but LL decided that the name was against their rules, and they decided to do something about it. Yes they did it in a bungling manner, semingly on a whim, but that's how they operate.

If you drive down a stretch of road that's marked at 55MPH and you drive 65 for 5 days in a row, and on the 6th day a cop pulls you over and writes a ticket. Do you say to him, "But I was doing it all week"? or is that what you will say to a judge?

C'mon. Your friend seems to be taking this in an adult manner and just going on and enjoying SL. Do the same. Stop with the EMO hand wringing and railing over perceived injustices
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09-25-2008 17:04
Yes, Brenda....I get it and here is the bottom line:

"Why is a guy having a hard on "indecent?" Please explain that. even little boys have hard ons.....Little girls have prepubescent breasts. This is not decent?...LOL.......It's freaking nature."


Splain that or go away.........LOL You guys just keep harping without addressing the argument
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09-25-2008 17:07
From: JerryDon Lane
Yes, Brenda....I get it and here is the bottom line:

"Why is a guy having a hard on "indecent?" Please explain that. even little boys have hard ons.....Little girls have prepubescent breasts. This is not decent?...LOL.......It's freaking nature."


Splain that or go away.........LOL You guys just keep harping without addressing the argument

Because LL has deemed it so. Their World. Their Rules.
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Qie Niangao
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09-25-2008 17:15
From: JerryDon Lane
Yes, Brenda....I get it and here is the bottom line:

"Why is a guy having a hard on "indecent?" Please explain that. even little boys have hard ons.....Little girls have prepubescent breasts. This is not decent?...LOL.......It's freaking nature."


Splain that or go away.........LOL You guys just keep harping without addressing the argument
/me pounds head on desk.

The reason nobody is addressing this stupid point is because IT'S A STUPID POINT.

Lots of things are natural. Cyanide is natural, but that doesn't make it good for you.

Yeah, prepubescent breasts are natural but if you don't stop fondling your niece's, you're going to jail.

And absolutely none of that has the first thing to do with why LL might not want one of their toon's names to evoke phallic engorgement.

(I really must say: my concern for this poor Ivan's plight diminishes in direct proportion to the lameness of this discussion.)
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09-25-2008 17:31
I cannot wait until I am one of the accepted regulars here and I can get away with acting like a jaded midbie/oldbie and can bitch about LL's decisions without being ridiculed and patronised.


Until then I guess my choices are:

~~ Accept that I don't have enough forum cred to be allowed to complain and keep it to myself.

~~ Complain anyway and be harangued by hypocrites with control issues.

YAY ME!
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09-25-2008 17:50
From: Mira Etoile
I cannot wait until I am one of the accepted regulars here and I can get away with acting like a jaded midbie/oldbie and can bitch about LL's decisions without being ridiculed and patronised.


Until then I guess my choices are:

~~ Accept that I don't have enough forum cred to be allowed to complain and keep it to myself.

~~ Complain anyway and be harangued by hypocrites with control issues.

YAY ME!
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09-25-2008 18:04
This thread delivers!
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09-25-2008 18:05
Well... I made one comment and people nailed me on stupid crap. So I have continued to follow this thread and watched it deteriorate into some pretty childish, adolescent & Trollish behaviours. Not Very surprised actually. BUT ! IF you folks insist on hijacking a thread with a valid query to discuss / ARGUE such nonsense, here are some FACTS for you to ALL CHEW ON ! I spent a few simple minutes and did a little bit of searching. SOME OF YOU THINK THAT ERECTION is OFFENSIVE... Have YOU got Something to Learn about SL !

Ohhh and BTW: I know that some of you will want to JUMP on me for this and come up with some truly IDIOTIC RESPONSES.... I REALLY DON'T CARE ! BUT Consider that these are within the CURRENT SL USER NAME DATABASE and this is in ENGLISH Only, imagine when you add all the other languages in. I am JUST THE MESSENGER so go ahead and Fire your BEST SHOT, and take it up with the LINDENS !

NAMES that contain the following WORDS:

ERECTION 9
PENIS 122
VAGINA 39
COCK 833
CUNT 7
GAY 2649
LESBIAN 110
Diddler 11
Queer 89
Slut 624
Whore 30
Abuse 12
Nazi 109
HITLER 91
Shit 142
Crap 484
Piss 75
URINE 24
Murder 275
KILLED 30
BANGING 5
BANGER 98
PIMP 2000+
FUCK 9
LICKER 59
BLOW 420
BEEFCAKE 62
PLUG 168
RAPE 207
Molest 21
Strangle 23
Choke 103
Torture 53
Voyeur 26
CONVICT 45
PORN 145
SEX 9200 +
PERVERT 51
SUCK 501


Does ANYONE SEE TOS Violations ? Maybe So, and a LOT Worse than the name that got all this started.
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09-25-2008 18:05
From: Love Hastings
This thread delivers!
Deliveries? You want the thread with Ann, Desmond and the new babies :)
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09-25-2008 18:10
From: WhiteStar Magic
Well... I made one comment and people nailed me on stupid crap. So I have continued to follow this thread and watched it deteriorate into some pretty childish, adolescent & Trollish behaviours. Not Very surprised actually. BUT ! IF you folks insist on hijacking a thread with a valid query to discuss / ARGUE such nonsense, here are some FACTS for you to ALL CHEW ON ! I spent a few simple minutes and did a little bit of searching. SOME OF YOU THINK THAT ERECTION is OFFENSIVE... Have YOU got Something to Learn about SL !

Ohhh and BTW: I know that some of you will want to JUMP on me for this and come up with some truly IDIOTIC RESPONSES.... I REALLY DON'T CARE ! BUT Consider that these are within the CURRENT SL USER NAME DATABASE and this is in ENGLISH Only, imagine when you add all the other languages in. I am JUST THE MESSENGER so go ahead and Fire your BEST SHOT, and take it up with the LINDENS !

NAMES that contain the following WORDS:

ERECTION 9
PENIS 122
VAGINA 39
COCK 833
CUNT 7
GAY 2649
LESBIAN 110
Diddler 11
Queer 89
Slut 624
Whore 30
Abuse 12
Nazi 109
HITLER 91
Shit 142
Crap 484
Piss 75
URINE 24
Murder 275
KILLED 30
BANGING 5
BANGER 98
PIMP 2000+
FUCK 9
LICKER 59
BLOW 420
BEEFCAKE 62
PLUG 168
RAPE 207
Molest 21
Strangle 23
Choke 103
Torture 53
Voyeur 26
CONVICT 45
PORN 145
SEX 9200 +
PERVERT 51
SUCK 501


Does ANYONE SEE TOS Violations ? Maybe So, and a LOT Worse than the name that got all this started.
What is your point? The only thing that makes any difference is what the Lindens think - that has been repeated several times at least. It does not matter if their policy is not consistent with itself or whether any else thinks it sucks - nothing will change. Most people agree with you and the others that the naming thing is absurd but it is their platform and their rules, if they want to arbitrarily enforce them then they have the right to do so.
Coming here and ranting about it does not change that one bit.

Ranting about it is fine but you do that in a public forum and people will respond however they choose, that is their granted privilidge to do so and it is no good you or anyone else upset about it.
If you don't want to be exposed to that then find another venue to vent.
Damien1 Thorne
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09-25-2008 18:13
From: WhiteStar Magic
Well... I made one comment and people nailed me on stupid crap. So I have continued to follow this thread and watched it deteriorate into some pretty childish, adolescent & Trollish behaviours. Not Very surprised actually. BUT ! IF you folks insist on hijacking a thread with a valid query to discuss / ARGUE such nonsense, here are some FACTS for you to ALL CHEW ON ! I spent a few simple minutes and did a little bit of searching. SOME OF YOU THINK THAT ERECTION is OFFENSIVE... Have YOU got Something to Learn about SL !

Ohhh and BTW: I know that some of you will want to JUMP on me for this and come up with some truly IDIOTIC RESPONSES.... I REALLY DON'T CARE ! BUT Consider that these are within the CURRENT SL USER NAME DATABASE and this is in ENGLISH Only, imagine when you add all the other languages in. I am JUST THE MESSENGER so go ahead and Fire your BEST SHOT, and take it up with the LINDENS !

NAMES that contain the following WORDS:

ERECTION 9
PENIS 122
VAGINA 39
COCK 833
CUNT 7
GAY 2649
LESBIAN 110
Diddler 11
Queer 89
Slut 624
Whore 30
Abuse 12
Nazi 109
HITLER 91
Shit 142
Crap 484
Piss 75
URINE 24
Murder 275
KILLED 30
BANGING 5
BANGER 98
PIMP 2000+
FUCK 9
LICKER 59
BLOW 420
BEEFCAKE 62
PLUG 168
RAPE 207
Molest 21
Strangle 23
Choke 103
Torture 53
Voyeur 26
CONVICT 45
PORN 145
SEX 9200 +
PERVERT 51
SUCK 501


Does ANYONE SEE TOS Violations ? Maybe So, and a LOT Worse than the name that got all this started.

If they bother you then AR them. The same people who decided to change Ivan's name will decide on your AR's. The whole F***ing point is Linden Labs owns SL they can do what ever they want. None of us care whether he names himself a combination of all of the above words. We don't decide.
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09-25-2008 18:19
From: Gabriele Graves
Deliveries? You want the thread with Ann, Desmond and the new babies :)


Oh, I'm watching that thread with great interest, since 5 of them are Lexxi's. I expect Desmond to do the right thing (and give her free land). :D
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09-25-2008 18:20
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Does ANYONE SEE TOS Violations ? Maybe So, and a LOT Worse than the name that got all this started.
So start ARing them, and maybe they will be dealt with as well.
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09-25-2008 18:23
From: Gabriele Graves
Deliveries? You want the thread with Ann, Desmond and the new babies :)

Wait! So there is a connection between Ann, Desmond and the new babies?????? :eek: :p
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09-25-2008 18:24
From: Love Hastings
This thread delivers!


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09-25-2008 18:27
Oh, look at you, with your fancy picture! Well la-de-da!
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