Can Any One Help Me Understand, Please?

Correct!

I disagree. I say "erection" is PG, and I have the Motion Picture Association's ratings board to back me up.

Only if you assume that the term "erection" is broadly offensive, which I think is being terribly prudish.

The guy's a builder, for Pete's sake. Of course he has erections: they're skyscrapers! Just an amusing play on words, and not worth all this pontificating.

IMHO, LL overreacted and used poor judgement in disallowing "erection", because it's not consistent with the wording of their own rules. If they mean "G", they should say "G" and not "PG". That said, they have to make the rulings and of course there will be inconstencies in application, and valid differences of opinion on what constitutes PG.

That's all this is: a simple disagreement over what's PG. Kitty, you act as though the term "erection" is unquestionably profane. Get off your high horse, and face the fact that this *is* a matter of opinion, not a black and white, cut-and-dried, he's wrong LL is right matter. If his name had been truly profane, I would agree with you, but it's not. It's provocative, not profane. Where's the borderline? It's a matter of opinion, and it's LL's opinion that counts.

This is certainly not a case of gross injustice! At worst, poor judgement, and at best, being protective. In the "poor judgement" case, I'd include both LL and Ivan (who admits as much).

Good ones, Collette

So, if an RL builder walked into church with a sign around his neck saying that he has an erection none of the congregation would be offended in any way? You know that many of them would be offended. "Erection" means erect penis.

Hi Everyone..my name is Tammy Toll and I am so disgusted at what has happened to such a sweet, gentleman like Ivanerection OH..now know as CrazyIvan OH. I have been on SL going on two years now..and have had the privilege of knowing Ivan most of that time. I feel he was treated wrongly and it really pisses me off..You can't meet anyone nicer and more respected then Ivan and his RL wife who is also on SL with him. This man is a business man and DJ in SL..and damn good at both! Ivan has always encouraged and supported me throughout my business ventures in SL which led me to buy a Sim and own three businesses in SL...I have made countless transactions in SL which leads to LL making 3% of all.... not to mention the money spent here on the SIM and tiers. I am so disgusted with LL to treat a wonderful man like Ivan this way ..who also has his own SIm and business here..we spend our money for this?? to be treated like this?? The Lindens should to be going after the sex clubs, the child abuse..OMG they let an adult act like a five year old..but suspend someone for using a funny name???..What about all the S&M that is going on here!!! The LL should be going after those people not a respected DJ and businessman. Ivan has a heart of Gold and would never ever be disrespectful to anyone..he always lends a helping hand!! The Lindens will be hearing from me!! I just can't believe it!! UNREAL!! love you Ivan and lexa!! You are good people in and out of this sometimes crazy world! Just my two cents!!
Tammy Toll

This is not a church........We are all adults here, Phil.... In fact, most of the people who have responded from our side (including me) are club owners, entertainers, DJs, whatever, with a party-type-creative and whacky sense of humor.

Now, how does that name fit in that scenario?

None of us would be so rude or disrespectful as too walk into a church, etc. wearing a name like that.

I also agree with Lear. An erection is not something offensive to psychologically sound people. It's a natural function of human physiology. It's an expression of human sexuality, I will grant that, but other than perhaps children of which there are none in here to my knowledge, why would that offend a mentally healthy adult?

Yes, we are all adults, but my 'church' question was to point out that not all adults think the same way. It doesn't matter who responded, or how they view the name, not all adults think the same, and some would be offended by it. That being so, such names are best kept out of public places, and SL is a public place.

The fact that there are churches in SL should tell you that.

If his name was in violation of the rules, does it matter how nice he is and how many lepers he has healed?

He should be treated just the same as the most vile ad cutter in SL when it comes to naming rules. Would you have come on the forums defending someone who wasn't "wonderful", "respected", and "with a heart of Gold"? If not, why not? Are your principles only for those you like?

Erection means more than "erect penis".

It is somewhat humorous. If this thread had started off differently I might have focused on "erection" and whether that was offensive or not.

Oh well. I'm going to say something I'll never admit and deny to my grave. Sometimes Pserendipity can be correct.

Yes it does, and it also means "erect penis"

The idea that Second Life will remain "Adults Only" should not be a forgone conclusion.



Linden Labs does not intend for the Main Grid to remain 18+ forever.


And thus those bristling over "PG Rules" are really not getting the point.

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Depending on your accent you could be referring to the Presidential race also.

However the name "IvanErection Oh" was most certainly about an erect Penis.

That or they are always building. Erecting things.

Granted, I did think of that issue, how Erection Oh, vs. IvanErection Oh might have been seen by LL.

Honestly, "IvanErection" is so juvenile, really it belongs on the teen grid.

But Ivan is just 19....

That explains everything.

Lexxi, you SO don't have a sense of humor.

So this guy is 19 and has to remind people he has an erection, huh?

Size Issues?

Nah, he went by Superhugepeter for awhile and we got him to change it to something you "better than thou Prudes" Might like better

I was going to suggest that a linden changed it, not for violating decency rules, but rather for poor taste. Now, I've just mentioned taste in the context of erections... go!

Ah - well I wonder if he receives all those spam emails?

For a word that so offensive it had to be removed as someone's name, and for a bunch of people who apparently agree with LL's nannystate decision here, all I can do is laugh.

We have people delivering platitudes and homilies about this all the while using the "bad word" and then some, themselves. Which sort of defeats their own arguments no?

Throw a convention with the SL name affixed to it in which the former CEO wears glittering codpeice, where there is a booth and events based around teledildonics (hey, wasn't it a linden who was pushing that a couple years ago? Go figure!) and middle-aged, goth wannabees parade around with their guts and tits over-spilling their "clothing", that's fine. Use "erection" in your name though, BAD!

You sure seem to know a lot about your friend's erection!

LL's definition of PG is "not mature", the MPAA's definition isn't relevant here.

Also his name wasn't "Erection" but "I have an erection".

Feel free to spend a day walking up to people in RL holding up a sign that says "I have an erection".

If you make it home without getting slapped, kicked, escorted out of buildings or just plain arrested I'll concede that that phrase isn't "broadly offensive".

Aside from that there are two criteria: not mature and/or not broadly offensive. His friends - and he himself for that matter - have pointed out that it's supposed to be an "adult joke" so it clearly means the obvious which makes it "mature" and in violation just by being mature regardless of whether it is also "broadly offensive" or not.

"I have an erection" have a definite mature connotation when there isn't any context to imply otherwise and that's all that needed.

If he had posted here on his first day "Am I going to have a problem with my name?" he'd just have gotten a dozen answers that "If you get AR'ed then LL will change it for you". This was so utterly predictable it's just beyond me why anyone sees a problem with what happened (other than LL not notifying him).