Is it OK to walk around with a 10 foot erection on Zindra? 
Yes, but call your Doctor if it lasts for more than 4 hours.
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Brenda Connolly
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06-26-2009 06:54
Yes, but call your Doctor if it lasts for more than 4 hours. _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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06-26-2009 06:55
Not being a legal eagle....what's the bottom line with this revised TOS/CS? Don't want to read all pf this thread....as most of it looks like interpretation of the wording. . If we knew the bottom line, there would be no need for this thread. _____________________
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Argent Stonecutter
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06-26-2009 07:00
Or...maybe I should ask it differently: what isn't allowed on Zindra aside from gambling? _____________________
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Angel Leviathan
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06-26-2009 07:01
Is it OK to walk around with a 10 foot erection on Zindra? Or...maybe I should ask it differently: what isn't allowed on Zindra aside from gambling? Right now Zindra is not setup to host adult content exclusively. I would assume unless a change is made there will be restrictions on your activities. |
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Ciaran Laval
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06-26-2009 07:02
Or...maybe I should ask it differently: what isn't allowed on Zindra aside from gambling? let's not go down that road again, those threads get locked! |
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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06-26-2009 07:07
Not being a legal eagle....what's the bottom line with this revised TOS/CS? Don't want to read all pf this thread....as most of it looks like interpretation of the wording. . CS: Adult stuff belongs on (Adult) land. Read the KB for details. KB: Adult stuff belongs on (Adult) land and on private (Mature) land. Read the FAQ for details. FAQ: Nothing pertinent to public or private land, move along. (=_=) _____________________
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Rene Erlanger
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06-26-2009 07:29
Thanks Imnotgoing
So having a SexGen bed in my private residence would be ok (Mature SIM) ? Anything regarding what type of Avies are allowed to visit Zindra (e.g Kids avies particularly)? . _____________________
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Milla Janick
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06-26-2009 07:32
Anything regarding what type of Avies are allowed to visit Zindra (e.g Kids avies particularly)? Only if you want to be harassed. Don't go there. _____________________
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Argent Stonecutter
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06-26-2009 07:32
Kid toons are not allowed in areas containing sexual material or activities, whether they're in Zindra or not. SO it depends on how much of Zindra is porntopia and how much is "I hadda move to Zindra because I don't want my skybox ARed".
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Ciaran Laval
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06-26-2009 07:37
So having a SexGen bed in my private residence would be ok (Mature SIM) ? We're led to believe so by Linden reps but nowhere in the CS does it say that is the case, in fact the CS says: "Second Life is an adult community, but 'Adult' content, activity and communication are not permitted on the Second Life 'mainland.' Such material is permitted on private regions, or on the Adult Continent, Zindra." Then they link to the KB articles that talk about public parcels but nowhere does it say private parcels are ok. |
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Rene Erlanger
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06-26-2009 07:40
We're led to believe so by Linden reps but nowhere in the CS does it say that is the case, in fact the CS says: "Second Life is an adult community, but 'Adult' content, activity and communication are not permitted on the Second Life 'mainland.' Such material is permitted on private regions, or on the Adult Continent, Zindra." Then they link to the KB articles that talk about public parcels but nowhere does it say private parcels are ok. Ah, so that leaves us as confused as before? Nice on LL !  _____________________
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Rene Erlanger
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06-26-2009 07:42
Only if you want to be harassed. Don't go there. I would never go there with a Kids avie....its just relating to all the Hoohah threads on here and XStreet. Just wondered if their were clearer definitions now. It appears not! . _____________________
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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06-26-2009 07:49
What the new rules *say* and how strict they are about making us follow them are two different things.
It will depend a whole lot on how the governance team actually applies them. There's 11 people on the governance team, and half a million or so of us. So a lot of stuff simply falls thru the cracks cause they dont have time for everything. And different G-Team members apply the rules differently. There are plenty of examples of things that are banned, and still happen, I won't list them now. We have set up a wiki page on a separate site to document how they actually are enforcing things: http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Governance_Team_Actions http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Governance_Team_Actions |
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Lasher Oh
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06-26-2009 07:50
To me, they're just weaselling around this in the vain hope they won't upset too many people. no, really! lol This is supposedly a 3 phase approach going on for the rest of the year. For a long time now I've believed that the original kb6010 is what they're aiming for and with the new tos/cs it's pretty apparent that we are going to end up with a pg mainland with token mature for skin shops/dance clubs and everything else, including private residences, will end up adult. Despite the fact I'm not happy about having to give up my land that I took so long to find and it exactly what i wanted (give or take a bit) I do think the best thing is for everyone to apply for the swap and move. Trying to find ways to convince yourself that you'll be ok is just a way of dragging this out. LL will be more than happy for everyone to move to estates (more tier of course and less work) but I'm damned if I'll reward them for their appalling behaviour over this. The sheer duplicitousness of their behaviour astounds me. Had they just come out and said this is what they wanted to do there would have been howls but by now we'd be resigned to it. Instead they're sapping more of our time and lives by having to try to second guess them. bah Agreed on all counts - good luck when they start the cattle wagons rolling on Monday - we can at least feel good that over the last 3 months we gave it all our best shots and I feel we at least have come through it all with our integrity and honor intact and you have helped inform a helluva lot of people who otherwise would have been left in the dark ^L^ _____________________
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Maklin Deckard
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06-26-2009 08:00
Well the community standards certainly have yes, everything they've officially said has been undermined by this. I do wish they'd grasp the concept of consistency. I think it goes beyone consistency, right to a total lack of understanding the term 'truthfulness'. In the various meetings and faq's and office hours, they told everyone what they wanted to hear, then promptly threw it out the window. |
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Maklin Deckard
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06-26-2009 08:10
Please post any actual experiences with the Governance Team based on the new rules to this wiki page: http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Governance_Team_Actions http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Governance_Team_Actions The current headings are: * 1 Zindra Move Ticket Response Times * 2 Zindra Move Ticket Approved * 3 Zindra Move Ticket Declined * 4 Told to Change Search Listing on Mature or PG Land * 5 Told to Remove Content on Mature or PG Land * 6 Content Removed or other Change Done Without Warning by G - Team * 7 Governance Team Members It will help everyone to know (a) how they are actually enforcing (or not enforcing) the rules, and (b) if they are consistent between various team members or different residents I honestly doubt this works any better than their 'verification page' which keeps telling me I verified but doesn't flag my account ingame. I'm expecting you'll be approved to move, but never actually moved (or get a response to you support ticket that isn't cut and paste offtopic).  |
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Nika Talaj
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06-26-2009 08:23
To me, they're just weaselling around this in the vain hope they won't upset too many people. no, really! lol ..... LL will be more than happy for everyone to move to estates (more tier of course and less work) .... I also suspect that this is a politically incorrect thing to say out loud at LL. I think Philip would hate it. LL loves to assess value of both employees and programs by polling individual opinions (thus the "love machine" and SL Answers ratings) -- one insidious effect of such programs is that people are disincentivised to speak truth, for fear of becoming unpopular. This might help explain some of LL's schizophrenia and vagueness on the Adult issue. They are afraid to speak the truth, even to themselves - that it is best for them if all individual landholders leave mainland. So, they end up with their eyes wide shut - pretending to themselves that there are no problems unique to private residences on mainland, hoping the problems with them go away. Just one theory. . |
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Bradley Bracken
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06-26-2009 08:26
We're led to believe so by Linden reps but nowhere in the CS does it say that is the case, in fact the CS says: "Second Life is an adult community, but 'Adult' content, activity and communication are not permitted on the Second Life 'mainland.' Such material is permitted on private regions, or on the Adult Continent, Zindra." Then they link to the KB articles that talk about public parcels but nowhere does it say private parcels are ok. I forget who said it, but one of the Lindens stated it was perfectly ok in the privacy of your home. They even stated that a nude beach was ok as long as there were no sexual items available to use. _____________________
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Ciaran Laval
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06-26-2009 08:28
I've been thinking for a while that many at LL would love for all the individual residents to end up on estates; I'm sure the bulk of the dollars that they spend on customer support is spent on individuals. If they can offload the cost of dealing with griefers, parcel encroachment, etc. for individual parcels onto estate owners, LL wins hugely. I agree somewhat but then again I get the impression that Linden Lab don't really want us anyway, certainly not long term. They'd love mainland to be a business showcase with lost of RL businesses particiapting in a science park/virtual campus type environment. The residents can go to private estates or Zindra, they don't seem to count Zindra as mainland which would make it easier for them to farm Zindra off to some third party. |
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Ciaran Laval
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06-26-2009 08:31
I forget who said it, but one of the Lindens stated it was perfectly ok in the privacy of your home. They even stated that a nude beach was ok as long as there were no sexual items available to use. Blondin has mentioned it many times but Linden Lab have told sites such as Massively that what is said at an office hour does not always reflect policy. |
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Nika Talaj
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06-26-2009 08:32
I agree somewhat but then again I get the impression that Linden Lab don't really want us anyway, certainly not long term. They'd love mainland to be a business showcase with lost of RL businesses particiapting in a science park/virtual campus type environment. The residents can go to private estates or Zindra, they don't seem to count Zindra as mainland which would make it easier for them to farm Zindra off to some third party. Edit: note how sensible, in this context, it is to promote major estate owners in the Message of the Day. . |
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Love Hastings
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06-26-2009 08:41
Why do I keep reading the title to this thread as, "New TOS/CS cages are up..."?
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Victoria Todd
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06-26-2009 08:58
I forget who said it, but one of the Lindens stated it was perfectly ok in the privacy of your home. They even stated that a nude beach was ok as long as there were no sexual items available to use. Blondin did, several times. A nude beach with lots of sexual items available to use DOES have to move or shut down, but will apparently NOT get a land swap if it isn't "commercialized." I've been following along fairly closely but this last bit was new (if not surprising) news to me. |
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Ceera Murakami
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06-26-2009 09:10
I forget who said it, but one of the Lindens stated it was perfectly ok in the privacy of your home. They even stated that a nude beach was ok as long as there were no sexual items available to use. Blondin is NOT the authoratative be all and end all for this Policy. He's just the poor SOB who has been told to be a pubic scapegoat, and he doesn't seem to have a clue about what LL is actually doing. _____________________
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Aeslyn Dae
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06-26-2009 09:50
Blondin has mentioned it many times but Linden Lab have told sites such as Massively that what is said at an office hour does not always reflect policy. *scratches head* Well then, if the Lindens holding Office Hours don't actually know the real policies so that they can give people answers to questions, then.. why do they answer questions and what -is- the purpose of Office Hours meetings in the first place?  I can hardly *believe* how badly this whole thing is being managed. It's like some sort of farce - it'd be difficult to make it all up! -- Aes |