New TOS/CS pages are up...

I have been through all my stuff i can only think of 2 offenders.

A wooden mermaid picture.exposed breasts but not photo realistic.

A 1prim alpha David statue with a fig leaf over his privates.If you click the leaf it opens and he says the standard OMG!

Will they be allowed or do I dump them.

Sadly I was sure this was coming.. Anyone with a home on the mainland has just been totally shafted.. So much for all the assurances that our private homes would be ok. Well this does explain all the "Should be" and "Sounds right to me" language we have heard from Blondin and Jack.

It also explains why when asked why they did not just create a PG continent that it was "Not the plan". Well the plan then was that ALL of the existing continents would become PG. So why create a new one? They will have lots of PG ones now.

Not to be alarmist but if this is enforced it will be the end of SL as we know it.

My beautiful 8k mainland plot has just become worthless to me, or to anyone else. I am going to take a rather large loss on that land as I doubt I can sell it for anything, let alone what I paid for it.

If not for all my friends and my love being here I would just cancel and walk away over this. I guess for now I will have to find a private estate to rent on and dump my land to a landbot. But I expect that many will just abandon/cancel and walk away from SL over this.

While I was sure this was coming, and that this was the "plan" all along. I am so very upset to be proven correct.

All tacky stuff should be dumped.

P.S. If mainland is mature, where do all the immature people go?

I'm with you on that. It now sounds as though stores that sell some adult content, however little it is, won't be allowed to operate on the mainland unless they remove that bit of adult content. I won't be doing that. I have every intention of closing down rather than move anything at all from my store. So, according to the new CS, I'll soon be outa here.

ETA:
Regardless of what the CS says, they simply will not be able to do it. There is no way that they can force all the homes that have sex beds in them onto the adult continent. That's pretty much all the homes in all the non-PG sime. It's just not gonna happen.

LL made two big mistakes: First of all, they obviously didn't collaborate well enough on this. It's like each person at the Lab was allowed to create their own definition.

The second thing they screwed up is the rolled this out too fast. Sure they may listen to some of the feedback that residents made, but for the most part what they gave us was just a small taste of what was going on.

A company should know that you don't say "LOOK WHAT'S COMING" until they know themselves what is coming.

I try not to criticize LL too much, but the way this is being rolled is a complete travesty.

One thing I find about this as being very scary.. No blog, no announcement what so ever. No having to click to log in, just nothing.. A total stealth change. If not for our wonderful detective Immy we would not know this had happened. I rather doubt that this being slipped in under the radar like this was not on purpose.

LL seems to be determined to destroy any sense of trust what so ever.
I just cannot fathom such a business model.

I don't think this is alarmist, exactly, but I'm not sure why everyone is so sure that LL WILL enforce this. God knows they don't do a very good job of enforcement now, with the exception of a few things (sexualized age play and overt racism, for instance) that they have flagged as particularly important. And while I take everything that is said in an office hour with a huge pinch of salt, I had the serious sense that certain Lindens, anyway, were winking rather broadly when they suggested that such and such would not be allowed in Mature. I think LL is far more concerned that "such and such" not be highly visible, than that it not be present. The rumours of a sort of quiet "gentleman's agreement" reached with the major Gor sims also seem to back up the idea that this is really a kind of PR exercise.



I think this is more to the point. The rules ARE vague now. I am convinced they are deliberately vague. And THAT is what is worrisome, because it means that residents, unless they always err on the side of caution, are vulnerable to arbitrary decisions to suddenly enforce rules, for whatever reason, that have most usually been quietly neglected.

Personally, I'd be MUCH more concerned about the lack of clarity than about the strictness of these new guidelines.

In my opinion, the best way to avoid trouble over this is to NOT AR each other over silly, petty things. The Gteam is not going out of their way to ‘police’ the grid. It takes a resident to direct their attention to a violation. That said, people are more often than not AR happy and report just about anything they personally don’t like as a violation. (>_<

With these vague new guidelines, the abuse report tool has now become a weapon. Anyone with an agenda or vendetta has the most effective and dangerous griefing tool right at their fingertips now. Witch hunts LOVE vague rules. (>_<

And, speaking of predictable experiences... I think I gotta check out of an LM to Waterhead is still available from Help Island. From the edits on the guidelines sign in the roundabout, that place has been opened up to any BS the clique there decides to do. Surely, landing a new resident there will toss them, head first, into an environment regulated only be the blood:alcohol levels of the regulars who hang out there. (=_=)y

If we don't move know to this god awful zindra, they will eventually kick us off. I am such a compulsive shopper...I have to abandon my land for crappy land...its the only way to move forward. I am so upset. I hope LL goes bankrupt.

BT

I think I am with you...just throw me out, that way, I don't have to decide.
BT

Well, I seriously doubt it will do ANY good but I sent an e-mail of complaint about this stealth change and it's potentially disasterous impact to Cyn Linden, and CC'ed Blondin, Jack and M Linden.

Maybe... Just maybe... This was a stupid error by a backroom typist, and they wil rectify it.

But I seriously doubt they will change it, no matter how much we yell and scream, and no matter how much we complain.

I also agree with Immy. DO NOT PLACE ANY AR's OVER THIS TO TEST INTENT! If the G-Team starts getting a bunch of Mainland AR's that complain about residential use of Adult content,that just gives them more ammo to actively enforce this bad decision!

DItto ditto ditto. I guess I should not say anything else, you said it perfectly.
BT

That was one of the first questions I asked Blondin in the blogs, What protection from unwarranted AR's is there for people who are adult and didn't get adult land.


I know there is probably none, but there should be some.

*raises an eyebrow*
Well... I'll keep banging my girl and a multitude of other unholy things in the privacy of my own home. If they AR and ban me for something like that, I guess I'll migrate somewhere other than Second Life.

That aside, does anyone know... since they haven't required you to agree to the revised TOS, does it even apply?

I'm not really concerned about LL roaming and evicting. They aren't capable or competent enough to do that even if they wanted to. But it will give a little more license to every random vigilante, moralist, do gooder, person with an axe to grind to harass people. And I'm sure some of those will be the victim of a trigger happy Linden who wil act summarily, either out of confusion of the definitions or plain stupidity or hubris.

IF this does translate to what some of us are speculationg, what will Mature land be good for? Basically there will be PG or Adult. No middle ground. I may not move just yet if I owned mainland, but I sure wouldn't buy anymore right now, or advise new people to buy any at the present time.

I had a feeling another shoe was going to drop. There was too much doubletalk from Blondin and others in regards to all this.

I'm guessing when the new viewer becomes "Mandatory" it will go into effect then.

Vance it has been stated in several office hours and meeting that sometime in the near future everyone will need to accept the new TOS on login - when that day is I don't know but it will come soon and no doubt without warning - as usual.

^L^

Lol! The grid is full of software engineers getting their kink on, I don't think we can stop them from testing! In fact, probably the best way to cut down on spurious ARs for testing would be to start a thread here called "Adult test cases", where we explicitly tried a few of the most common:

1. Ground level cottage with alpha windows, sex bed and an SL pic with nudity inside. Vanilla stuff outside.

2. Skybox dungeon w/ bondage gear and SL pics.

3. Skybox dungeon w/ bondage gear and RL pics.
.

Yeah, I may know a couple of them.
BT

No, that would be a pretty big job. They can't go police every mainland parcel.

What it does do is make everyone with rezzed adult content vulernable to AR's.

If the G-Team sticks to what we've been told, and it's okay to have the stuff in private residences, or it's okay to have it in a store as long as it's not advertised, or being used for adult activities, those ARs will be irrelevant, and not acted on.

On the other hand, if they go by the letter of the CS alone, it could be considerably more troublesome.

The G-Team needs to resume office hours, or representatives from the G-Team attend Blondin's so this can be clarified and we know how the policy will be carried out in practice.

ETA: Guess I should have read the last page before replying to you. It seems I've restated the obvious.

So...

If its permitted continent wide - Can I now run naked and xcite in all the shops that pop up on Zindra?

Well, hopefully at least the naked part.

*thinks I should start a lucrative business in skyboxes*

Right now Zindra is not setup to host adult content exclusively. I would assume unless a change is made there will be restrictions on your activities.

Sounds like everyone needs to get out their copy of "Who Moved My Cheese"......and brush up a bit.

Please post any actual experiences with the Governance Team based on the new rules to this wiki page:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Governance_Team_Actions
http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Governance_Team_Actions

The current headings are:

* 1 Zindra Move Ticket Response Times
* 2 Zindra Move Ticket Approved
* 3 Zindra Move Ticket Declined
* 4 Told to Change Search Listing on Mature or PG Land
* 5 Told to Remove Content on Mature or PG Land
* 6 Content Removed or other Change Done Without Warning by G - Team
* 7 Governance Team Members

It will help everyone to know (a) how they are actually enforcing (or not enforcing) the rules, and (b) if they are consistent between various team members or different residents