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Thank you for adding reason to the thread Osprey!

So we have a "Nudge nudge, wink wink" policy. This will be easy to twist into banning anything remotely adult from mainland, Zindra isn't mainland is clear from this and Linden Lab don't consider it to be so.

This Trojan Horse has been trying to enter the gates of this debate from the off, the harsh original policies that they hastily pulled, they are still driving this policy.

LL's approach seems to be to try and dress it up in a different guise. How long before they put the super harsh PG rules back in place?

2nds this.

and asks Lindal if she minds if i do the "Told You So" dance with her.

There is no explicit protection of adult content in private resicences on the mainland.

The CS and definitions state two things -

Publicly advertised adult content must be in Adult rated regions.

Adult content is not permitted in PG and Mature regions.

It was requested that the definitions clearly stated that adult content in private residences would be protected, that was ignored.

All owners of Mature land really have to rely on is the hope that no one ARs them, and that if they are ARd, the G-Team is reasonable and goes with Osprey's definition.

Sorry, that does not inspire confidence.

Agreed 1000%

This is just their way of banning all Adult content without having to actually ban it. This way they can say "We did not ban anything, we merely segregated it to protect our residents." The fact that it will drive off 90% of the existing residents does not matter to them, remember there are Millions of others just begging to come here if only it were more family friendly. Yeah right!

By the time LL realizes that there are NOT millions just waiting to come here once there is no adult content, the damage will be done. As was stated over on the Blue Mars thread, the only thing that can kill SL is Linden Labs.. Well it sure looks to me like they are doing a real fine job of killing SL.

As for all this "They won't/can't enforce this new policy".. Why not? This has been planned for over a year, and while I used to think that how it was being implemented was just due to incompetence, now I suspect that it was all part of the plan all along. String us along, then drop the bomb nice and quiet like.

Once the mainland is 100% PG, and all the "perverts" are gone, then all those businesses will flock to SL as the golden mecca, and LL will make millions.. And when that does not happen, M will take his golden parachute, bail out and smile back at the smoking ruin of what was once SL.

Linden says some of the content is adult if it gets advertised. Advertised is in the definition. Content that is not advertised is not in the definition. It only can mean two things if you pretend that the definition is not what it is.

Exactly, nowhere does it say adult activity is permitted if kept in private parcels.

The definition is not clear, it really isn't:

"Second Life is an adult community, but 'Adult' content, activity and communication are not permitted on the Second Life 'mainland."

I'm sorry but reading that LL could twist this any way they please, that's a pretty blunt statement. So you read further down and decide via the KB links they do allow it if it's not advertised, but absolutely nowhere do they state that.

well the new CEO did say at the start of his job that his and LL's focus would be in making SL a more "business oriented platform".

Thank you Ciaran but I know how to read. Words mean what the texts say they mean. The text says that the word means what is in the knowledge base. The text says what adult means so that we do not make up meanings. If you make up a meaning then you are not reading the whole text.

I’m not seeing the “sky is falling” scenario you’re seeing. What I do see is an increase in vagueness in the terms and standards that can be abused at the toss of an AR. So, yeah, things will get bad. But, I don’t see the total annihilation of Mature. If you peel back the layers and read the KB articles, they contain some clarification and details to help understand the whole thing about advertising Adult content and such. (=_=)

Denial by omission doesn’t work either. If it did, then, someone can conclude that there are no rules against (sexual)ageplay. But, a few of us know well enough that there’s a KB article containing clarification on the issue. (=_=)

As of yet, there is no documented absolute prohibition of adult content on (Mature) land when contained in private residences. For example:

Of course, while the FAQ is described to contain details about “public” and “private” content... There are no actual details in the FAQ regarding these things. It’s excluded information. The one mention of the word "private" refers to estate sims and the ability to set them to PG, Mature, and Adult. (=_=)

So... Vague, yes, but no statement of prohibition is made. So, again, I don’t see the sky falling. But, what I do see is a lack of definitions and clarity that would help us understand the guidelines we’re supposed to follow. (>_<

Unspoken words mean nothing Cerise.

The words are there. You choose not to understand then. That is your choice.

We are supposed to stay PG here on the forums, which makes it hard to discuss Adult content items. And we are also not supposed to post names of other residents or conversations.

About the same as SLX had on its third day

The words are not there, you're reading between the lines.

Yes, obviously. I was replying to someone who seemed to think otherwise.

To me it reads similar to this:

"At 6pm today everyone wearing a white shirt will be required to dance the frug for fifteen minutes. The definition of "white shirt" includes all solid white shirts with no pattern or design, unless those patterns and designs are white"

Then everyone says:
"I am wearing a red shirt. It doesn't specifically say people wearing red shirts don't have to dance. I don't want to dance. This is an outrage!"

The difference is that a red shirt is a red shirt whereas pixel bumping even in a private residence is clearly "adult activity and communication".

Whereas I firmly believe that the current Linden Lab regime will be true to their word that if it's private you're ok, I don't have faith in the policy not being twisted at a later date.

That's how I read it too and I think you're correct.

They seem to be drawing the line at "publicly promoted", which is:
-Publicly contributing to the progress or growth of.
-Publicly advocating or urging the adoption of.
-Publicly attempting to sell or popularize by advertising or publicity.

Someones private shag box/house/etc.., even if public access is allowed, wouldn't fall under the definition of being "promoted" as long as they didn't do the paid ad/classified/listing/show in search/parcel description thing to go along with it. That also jives with what Blondin has said. Basically, "just keep your stuff to your private areas, don't list or advertise it, and don't be a blatant idiot about it".

So, are we now going to start seeing a mass migration of residences from the Mainland to rentals on Private Island sims?

I have a few cells in my BDSM dungeon I could rent out

Rock

So, "Adult" really has almost nothing to do with the actual content, just if you decide to tell people about it?

Do you seriously believe that is going to end up being how the G-Team reads it?

Bingo! This is why I'm saying that the policy is concerning, they'll only respond if they know about it and if you don't advertise it or promote it why would people know about it?

Nowhere in the policy does it say it's ok in private, absolutely nowhere.

This!

"Don't ask, don't tell"?

If you don't believe there are teams of people forming up with the intent of going around *private* mainland parcels looking for adult content to AR, then you are incredibly naive.