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Debra Himmel
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10-15-2009 16:08
From: Phil Deakins It's not me who needs help, Debra. You're the one who can't go to places that you'd like to go to. And let's get it straight - you haven't done anything indirectly - you haven't put any money into SL or into LL's coffers - period. You use SL for free, so you don't have any justifiable grounds for complaint now that you can't use it as fully as you'd like to.
You don't bring it in at all. Live with it.
You don't bring it in at all. As someone posted, some people who bring it in pass some of it to you. If you weren't selling something, they'd pass it to someone else, and LL would get some it that way. *You* use SL for free, you don't benefit LL finacially at all, and you don't have any grounds for complaint. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
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Debra Himmel
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10-15-2009 16:09
From: Phil Deakins It doesn't matter who complained about it. The fact is that *you* are using someone else's system for free. If the owners decide to prevent you from using it as fully as you used to use it, you can't complain. You can be hugely disappointed, but, as a free user, you have no rights or entitlements in the matter. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
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Brenda Connolly
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10-15-2009 16:12
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Katheryne Helendale
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10-15-2009 17:12
From: Raudf Fox The main way to get onto the Zindra section of the grid is to simply spend a little USD with LL. It's that simple. You don't have to be premium to do that and if you're an old school basic account from before '06, you've already passed go and collecting L$50 a week! Just has to say, "Payment Info Used." You don't even have to do that! Just simply entering payment information, becoming PIOF, is plenty sufficient to get verified. And, for anyone trying to hide from the FBI, NSA, MiB, or little green men, a pre-paid Visa card is all you need!
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Katheryne Helendale
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10-15-2009 17:14
From: Debra Himmel Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah From: Debra Himmel Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Well, damn! Why didn't you just say so in the first place? 
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Melita Magic
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10-15-2009 18:34
From: Phil Deakins Time does not equal money. Try giving someone that line instead of a paycheck.
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Alvaro Zapatero
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10-15-2009 18:45
I thought I'd share a poem that I've read recently...
I'll give you life, and in return you'll give me hell; something I can do without. So lets let it all out. I'd love to break your heart, make you feel the pain, make you eat your words, make you swallow your pride. I'm as cold as ice, so open your eyes. I'll make you sell your soul, maybe you'll be able to tell the tale, but your mind will be mine, all mine; whether you want it to be or not.
'Nuff said.
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Debra Himmel
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10-16-2009 01:55
From: Katheryne Helendale You don't even have to do that! Just simply entering payment information, becoming PIOF, is plenty sufficient to get verified. And, for anyone trying to hide from the FBI, NSA, MiB, or little green men, a pre-paid Visa card is all you need! I see you just ignore my previous post about pre-paid cards to make it look like that is an option.
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RockAndRoll Michigan
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10-16-2009 02:05
From: Debra Himmel Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah How mature. This thread needs to be closed if you've stooped to this level. That's what, Kindergarten level tactics?
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Phil Deakins
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10-16-2009 05:58
From: Melita Magic Try giving someone that line instead of a paycheck. But the line is true  But if you prefer, time *sometimes* equals money but usually doesn't. In this case, the way that "time = money" was used here is not one of the "sometimes".
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Lindal Kidd
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10-16-2009 08:08
From: Debra Himmel I see you just ignore my previous post about pre-paid cards to make it look like that is an option. Apparently pre-paid cards are working again, some of them at least.
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Yann Mizser
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10-16-2009 09:51
From: Ciaran Laval This is because Linden Lab refuse to merge the validation process. Linden Lab are slow, extremely slow, to accept they're wrong with their decisions. They are child like and stubborn and would rather create problems for people than work for sensible solutions.
This is not new, they consistently do this in many areas. Indeed. Couldn't have said it better.
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Innula Zenovka
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10-16-2009 10:28
From: Melita Magic From: Phil Deakins Time does not equal money.
Try giving someone that line instead of a paycheck. Try paying your utility bills by offering to work for the power company for a few hours rather than sending them the cash.
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Katheryne Helendale
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10-16-2009 11:59
From: Debra Himmel I see you just ignore my previous post about pre-paid cards to make it look like that is an option. Yep, just like you ignored my question, refusing to answer it. Your previous post about pre-paid cards not being universally accepted is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand because LL *does* accept pre-paid cards. Nice try, though. Now answer the question I asked in post #503: 
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Debra Himmel
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10-16-2009 14:19
From: Katheryne Helendale Yep, just like you ignored my question, refusing to answer it. Your previous post about pre-paid cards not being universally accepted is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand because LL *does* accept pre-paid cards. Nice try, though. Now answer the question I asked in post #503:  I like the way you decide what the discussion is when I started the thread. But its ok, I see that kind of arrogance all the time. You carry on cherry picking the parts you like within my posts. If you think I am going to answer every single post that is opposed to my view of things, you are very mistaken: I got better things to do than to satisfy peoples egos with my time.
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Alvaro Zapatero
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10-16-2009 14:25
From: Debra Himmel I got better things to do than to satisfy peoples egos with my time. I agree. Satisfying your own ego appears to be a full-time job.
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Debra Himmel
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10-16-2009 14:28
From: Katheryne Helendale So, how do you propose getting this cash without having to give anyone any of your information? Or are you advocating lying on your resumes and job applications? That's simple, I'm self-employed; which is why I didn't bother answering it. In fact, I have never ever been employed and always been self-employed. But if you had concentrated on what I have written instead of seeing what you thought I was writing then you would have seen that I have already stated that I have a choice as to where I will give that information, just as I have exercised my choice not to now give it to SL because as you clearly know which is why you asked the question to try and trap me, because governments have made laws to be able to track everyone its impossible to step out of the system completely as it was possible in the past which is the whole point I am making anyway.
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Debra Himmel
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10-16-2009 14:30
From: Alvaro Zapatero I agree. Satisfying your own ego appears to be a full-time job. No Alvaro, like a true junky, you just want me to be part of the system that you are unable to distance yourself from. You probably even like it.
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Debra Himmel
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10-16-2009 15:03
From: Katheryne Helendale From: Debra Himmel I see you just ignore my previous post about pre-paid cards to make it look like that is an option. Yep, just like you ignored my question, refusing to answer it. Strange that someone would want to ignore information unless they didn't like what they saw.
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Alvaro Zapatero
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10-16-2009 15:58
From: Debra Himmel No Alvaro, like a true junky, you just want me to be part of the system that you are unable to distance yourself from. You probably even like it. Like a train wreck? I must admit, you're an especially lurid one. I think I got a crick from all the rubber-necking.
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Melita Magic
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10-16-2009 19:09
From: Innula Zenovka Try paying your utility bills by offering to work for the power company for a few hours rather than sending them the cash. ?? How is this an analogy for someone's time/efforts translating into profit for LL? More to the point how does this disprove my own analogy, since time is exchanged for money daily in these things called 'jobs.'
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Katheryne Helendale
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10-16-2009 19:15
From: Debra Himmel That's simple, I'm self-employed; which is why I didn't bother answering it. In fact, I have never ever been employed and always been self-employed.
But if you had concentrated on what I have written instead of seeing what you thought I was writing then you would have seen that I have already stated that I have a choice as to where I will give that information, just as I have exercised my choice not to now give it to SL because as you clearly know which is why you asked the question to try and trap me, because governments have made laws to be able to track everyone its impossible to step out of the system completely as it was possible in the past which is the whole point I am making anyway. There, now, see? That wasn't so difficult, was it? I went in this direction because you made the insinuation that dealing with strictly cash keeps you out of the "system". So you're self-employed and were therefore able to dodge filling out a job application or resume. I trust you are reporting your income as required by law, yes? From: Debra Himmel Strange that someone would want to ignore information unless they didn't like what they saw. Indeed. However, 37 pages into this thread, you have proven yourself quite adept at this skill. And your assertion about prepaid cards not being "accepted by a lot of sites" is irrelevant to the discussion at hand because Linden Labs is not "a lot of sites" and quite happily accepts prepaid Visa. This leads back to my earlier assertion that you can, indeed, account-verify without having to divulge personal information - the complaint of which was the entire basis of this thread. I can't help it if you can't stay on topic or keep track of your own lunatic ravings.
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Melita Magic
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10-16-2009 19:20
Maybe the word 'barter' would work better for some, but I still maintain that if someone sells things or pays tier, or pays rent so someone else can pay tier, they are very much contributing to user retention (something Philip Linden has said is a benefit, in a speech or interview) and bottom-line profit.
If I see something I want to buy, I get a lot more Linden $ than just for that item, and when in the mood to shop due to that one item I continue on shopping. The same thing happens for even freebie hunts or things like that. I will often see something that is so cute or unique or whatever, whether for me or for land, that I get L$ to get it.
Now whether or not that shop owner ever buys L$ is beside the point - their customers sure do!
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Phil Deakins
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10-16-2009 23:29
From: Melita Magic Maybe the word 'barter' would work better for some, but I still maintain that if someone sells things or pays tier, or pays rent so someone else can pay tier, they are very much contributing to user retention (something Philip Linden has said is a benefit, in a speech or interview) and bottom-line profit. Of course, but that wasn't the point being made. I don't think that anyone suggested that Debra isn't useful in that regard. All that's been said is that she is not, and has not, paid for anything to do with Second Life - she uses the system (someone else's system) for free - totally free - and so she doesn't have any justifiable grounds for complaint if the system owners restrict what she can do in it.
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Debra Himmel
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10-17-2009 01:07
From: Katheryne Helendale From: Debra Himmel That's simple, I'm self-employed; which is why I didn't bother answering it. In fact, I have never ever been employed and always been self-employed.
But if you had concentrated on what I have written instead of seeing what you thought I was writing then you would have seen that I have already stated that I have a choice as to where I will give that information, just as I have exercised my choice not to now give it to SL because as you clearly know which is why you asked the question to try and trap me, because governments have made laws to be able to track everyone its impossible to step out of the system completely as it was possible in the past which is the whole point I am making anyway. There, now, see? That wasn't so difficult, was it? I went in this direction because you made the insinuation that dealing with strictly cash keeps you out of the "system". So you're self-employed and were therefore able to dodge filling out a job application or resume. I trust you are reporting your income as required by law, yes? Well here we can see people how a hypocrite behaves even in the same post. You tell me what is relevant in my thread, then tell me below what is not relevant, then proceed to introduce taxation so trying to make me look immoral. Why on earth should I think you are doing no more than baiting me. Actually, just using cash does keep you out of the system, which is why they are trying to convince everyone that we should have a cashless society, a process that started in the mid 1970’s by having wages paid directly into bank accounts and payments changed from weekly to monthly. If you study history just a tiny little bit, you will see that at one time, everyone was self-employed. As for taxation, that really depends on which country you are domiciled in, except of course if you are a US citizen that has to pay no matter were they are in the world. Must be fun having to fill in a tax return each year when there isn’t even a law in the US that says you have to pay tax. Try ringing up the IRS and ask them what you have to fill in each year. They will put you on hold forever. And if you don’t believe me, there are lots of IRS agents that would like to know as well and have even asked members of the house and senate where the law is. But if you study the federal register you get the answer. Start in the year 1933 when the US was declared bankrupt. Oops, sorry, I forgot, that’s a bit above your capabilituies. From: Katheryne Helendale From: Debra Himmel Strange that someone would want to ignore information unless they didn't like what they saw. Indeed. However, 37 pages into this thread, you have proven yourself quite adept at this skill. And your assertion about prepaid cards not being "accepted by a lot of sites" is irrelevant to the discussion at hand because Linden Labs is not "a lot of sites" and quite happily accepts prepaid Visa. This leads back to my earlier assertion that you can, indeed, account-verify without having to divulge personal information - the complaint of which was the entire basis of this thread. I can't help it if you can't stay on topic or keep track of your own lunatic ravings. Now why would I want to pay an extra charge just to put some money onto a pre-paid card so that I can use that? Funny how there are continuously barriers put up and then solutions made available that cost you money where there was no cost before and where the same people that get governments to put up those barriers then earn the money from the solution to the barriers. Start seeing the wider picture. Having your head in the sand is no longer an option.
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