Thank You SL

Phil, you really need to start thinking outside the box; the world is not as simplistic as you believe it to be. The following may apply to SL, or it may not, but you have to admit it could.

Sam the Man decided to buy shares in a power company and buy shares in a virtual world that is a clone of SL. You then have a customer of the power company called Debra that also joins the virtual world. Debra decides not to create a premium account in the virtual world, but does start a business within it after learning some skills. Although Debra does not bring any money into the virtual world directly, Sam the Man is not concerned because Debra is using her computer more often so using more power from the power company. Sam the Man is a happy man because the value of the shares of the power company go up because it is making more profit, and his dividend payment also goes up because of this. He also finds that the value of the shares for the virtual world go up because more people are creating accounts because of what people like Debra are creating in it. This one day results in a profit and dividend payments from the virtual world. Sam the Man is a happy owner and loves looking over his small financial empire.

So Phil, you keep to that simplistic view of the world you have. I'm sure it gives you a warm feeling.

Thank you for making me smile, Debra

I like my warm, simplistic view of the world - if I am a paying customer, then I have some entitlements. If I am using someone else's system for free, then I have no entitlements. It's neat And it's soooo much better and more comfortable than anything that you 'reds under the beds' people come up with - especially those of you who believe the ravings of a known lunatic like David Icke. Anyone who swallows anything that a guy who states that Boxcar Willie was a lizard from another world says, has to be included in the same mental bracket.

It must be hard being you with those attitudes, Debra. I wouldn't wish such a life on you, but it's what you've chosen. I don't sympathise with your SL problem though, because it's of your own making. You are not allowed in Adult regions now, and that's all there is to it. You can choose to be allowed in and you can choose to remain barred from them. It's entirely your choice and the sooner you accept it, the better you'll be.

Just the same old blah blah blah Phil. I suppose its way passed your abilities that what David Icke says can be cross referenced by other sources. You see, I don't have to believe everything he writes, I just need pointers to where to look and then decide myself. But what is even more interesting is the fact that you bring this up and completely ignore what I previously wrote, yet reply to that post with something that has nothing to do with it. And as for "reds under the bed", I don't remember writing anything about that, I would have thought if anything it was anti right wing. But just for your education, have a look at the 10 tenets of the communist manifesto and let me know which of those have not been implemented yet. To help you along, here's a link for you, even if it is US based. I'm sure even you will be able to see the same things in the UK:

http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html

You carry on in your simple little world Phil and let us adults create the kindergarten for you.

How is that defensible? By your logic, only the rich have any say in how things are run in life. Is that really what you are saying?

And that's not even addressing the contention that she does not 'pay' for SL, which you seem a bit hung up on and will never budge on; so I will just sidestep the issue completely. It is not even a point worth winning, since it falls under the category of your belief.

I'm puzzled why you think that to matter within this virtual world someone must pour cash into it. Is this why Linden Lab allowed free accounts?

Aaah...another nice smile for me today. Thank you, Debra

I didn't ignore your previous post at all. You said that I have a simplistic view of the world and I said that I like my simplistic view of the world - and I do. I'm more than happy to leave the reds under the beds to people like you. There's no way that I want to live as though living itself is a danger; afraid to do something in case big brother is watching and will put it in my 'file' {{{shiver}}}. Oh no. Not me guv'nor. You can keep all that stuff. I prefer a warm and pleasant life, without any such cares or concerns.

I also prefer to live as though there are no people in the world who are shape-shifting, human blood drinking, lizards from another world. Yes sirree - I like the simplistic view of life - it's so much warmer and comfortable

Alright - enough of this carefree day. You gave me some homework - to look at the 10 tenets of the Communist manifesto, etc. Sorry, Debra - I'm not interested in it but, for you, I looked under all the beds in my house and there are no reds under any of them so, if occupying spaces under everyone's bed is one of the tenets, then that's the one that hasn't yet been implemented. Am I right? How many out of 10 do I get for it?

/me checks under the bed she got from Phil's shop to make sure there is no one under it.

I didn't say anything like that. Why do you keep twisting my perfectly simple statement? As it happens, nobody outside LL has any say in how things are run in SL - not free users, and not paying users.

It's nothing to do with my "belief". It's what Debra said. She said that she's never payed any money into SL. There is nothing for me to budge on - Debra said it, not me, and I'm not prepared to call her a liar. I believe that, as a supporter of David icke, she is other things, but not a liar.

I haven't said anything like that. All I've said is that Debra has been using the Second Life system (someone else's system) for free and, therefore, she doesn't have any justifiable grounds for complaint when the owners of the system restrict what she can do in it. It's perfectly simple, and nothing out of the ordinary. Why do you try to twist it into other things?

No one said that to matter within this virtual world you have to pour cash in into it. Taking myself as an example, I take cash OUT of it. Which does not make me matter less either.

The system though is pretty simple: I pay Linden Lab at this moment 125 dollar (plus vat) directly in tiers. Furthermore I pay another 120 dollars in rent, to a landlord.

- The first payment makes me a paying customer of LL. For my payments I get to use mainland,and I expect a level of service. I am their customer.
- the second payment makes me a paying customer of the estate owner. For my payments I get to use their estate land, and I expect the estates owners service. I am their customer.

Now if the estate owner changes the deal I have with them, I can complain to them. As their paying customer. I have a deal with them.
If LL changes the deal I have with them, I am also entitled to complain, as I am their paying customer. I pay for a service they provide me, I have a deal with them.

Ah but I am much more clever than the reds. I placed a bot *inside* the bed. I know what you've been doing, Brenda, and it's all recorded in my file on you

I thought I heard a strange buzzing sound the other night.

Send me the pics...I'll put them on my blog.

That was probably the pump

If I send you the pics (and the text log), I'd having nothing to blackmail you with

RIGHT - Phil never said that because Debra "plays SL for free" i.e. does not put cash into the game that her point of view does not matter? That is EXACTLY what he said.

What a waste of time.

Night, night - don't let the bed bots bite!

There you go again (sigh). Show me where I said that Debra's point of view doesn't matter. Show me when you get up - I can wait. But, in case you don't want to go searching for it, I can tell you now that I didn't say anything like it, or anything even remotely similar to it. I said that, as a free user, she has no justifiable grounds for complaint. It's extremely easy to understand. It means nothing more or less that what it actually says. Are you deliberately trying not to understand that simple statement, just for the sake of an argument? Why don't you address what I actually say instead of what I don't say? Please stop with these attempts to put words into my mouth. It doesn't help anything, and you can't succeed with it.

And now really, good night Mrs. Calabash.

(That meant goodbye.)

Gee Phil, this is evoking fond memories of your exchanges with Colette last year.

Just more blah blah blah Phil, you carry on with your campaign to tell everyone that I use SL for free if that gives you that nice warm feeling in your nice simple life.

Which part? Debra not having any justifiable grounds for complaint, or me having a bot hidden in your bed?

Who's Colette, anyway?

It's not a campaign of mine. You were the one who told everyone. All I added was that you therefore don't have any justifiable grounds for complaint in this matter. Why you continue to rail against that addition is beyond my comprehension. It would make more sense to just accept that it's correct and don't respond to it.

Total disingenuous hogwash.

My guess is that you are one of those who think that everything should be free - and that you rights to everything being free. I other words, you're a dickhead

ETA:
I think I should point out that whether or not a person has any entitlement or right to use someone's property is not a matter of opinion. They don't any such right or entitlement, and that's a fact. It's exactly the same in this case. Someone is not paying for a service that someone else provides and, therefore, doesn't have right or entitlement to receive that service, regardless of whoever else may be receiving it. That's a fact - not an opinion.

Around these parts, they are known as Liberals.

Out of curiosity: When creating a posting account here, what is the default birthdate?

The reason I ask is because I could not help but notice whenever Debra gets her ass handed to her in this thread, a newbie or single-digit poster jumps in to her defense, usually with posts stating the argumentative equivalent of "you're full of crap because I said so" - and they ALL have November 30 as their birthday in their profiles - the same as the date in Debra's profile.

One of the top ten signs you know you've lost a forum argument: When you have to send in alts to defend you.

Well done Katheryne, are you starting a smear campaign as you can't come up with any good arguments?

I have no desire to make you look immoral. I honestly could not care less. My interest is in exposing the inconsistencies in your statements.

Hypocrisy? Really? Just because I turn your own argument against you does not make me a hypocrite. I suggest you go take a course in critical thinking so that you can learn some proper debating techniques. Of course, the down side to this is that you might learn to think for yourself instead of letting the likes of David Icke do your thinking for you.True. Also, at one time, women had no rights. Also, at one time, we were all hunter-gatherers or survivalists - eat or be eaten. I'm pretty sure that, at one time, we were all cave-dwellers. Ain't history great?

Now here is where things get nutty, even for you:
I am not going to pretend to know the tax code for every municipality in the world, and neither should you. Your claim is not entirely correct. US citizens must file regardless of where they reside; however, citizens who are full-time residents of another country are generally exempt from having to pay tax on foreign income earned as long as the money does not enter the United States.
I was waiting for this one, as it is an extremely popular fallacy among conspiracy theorists. Quite simply, the claim that US taxes are constitutionally voluntary is untrue. Take a look through this site: http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/IncomeTax.htm.
Try ringing up ANY large corporate entity looking for answers and see how long it takes you. What's your point?
There are incompetents in pretty much every job or field. These people usually don't hold on to their jobs for very long.
I googled the keywords "US bankruptcy 1933" and was completely unsurprised by the fact that it returned page after page after page of conspiracy-theorist website listings, but not a single credible source, such as a .edu site. This was pretty much the limit of my interest in that subject as I can't see what point you are trying to make in bringing that up. Perhaps if you demonstrate how the Emergency Banking Act of 1933 is relevant to this discussion, then I might show more interest.

And now, finally, we get back to the meat of this discussion:
The only entity putting up barriers against you accessing content from which you are presently restricted is you. You refuse to comply with the requirements to access this content. That is your choice, and that is your right. Your options in this matter are limited: Either give the Lindens what they want in order to gain access, deal with the loss of access, or leave. You can rage against the machine all you wish and make a complete spectacle of yourself in the process, but at the end of the day, these are the only options available to you. Deal with it.

"Destroying myself"?

Oh, please - do explain! I could use some entertainment this afternoon!