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Leave it to you to play the profanity card.

I suppose you think only landowners should have the right to vote as well in RL? When one is INVITED to sign up for free to a site like SL, one has every right to complain..IOW..you're a fascist. Your way or the highway. Pay up or get lost. No--perhaps you're the Merchant of Venice? A banker? A Republican? A Corporatist? Or just a paid SHILL?

Your vocabulary..and character.. must be pretty weak to resort to name calling. Typical SL gang mentality. You have no argument. You throw up strawmen to avoid genuine debate.

There is no implied misuse when the owner allows free accounts. One has every right to complain. Go back under your rock and don't bother to come back until you address the argument without profanity you silly benthic creature. You're irrelevant as long as you're shilling and using profanity.

It seems to me you provide all of the entertainment needed.

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I'm going to disagree with Melita's quoted example. Phil wasn't saying that Debra's point of view doesn't matter. He is saying that her complaint is not justified.

These are two separate things entirely. The first, is a value judgment, the second, is the application of logic.

Rock on Phil.

Even though you deleted the bit about Katheryne destroying herself which, unlike you, she wasn't, I don't see any smear campaign in what she wrote - just a sensible question, following an interesting observation.

Who's voting for anything?

One may have every right to be disappointed if they don't get access to the whole thing, but such a person has no justifiable right for complaint.

If you took the trouble to learn english and understand what I wrote, or even have it translated for you, you wouldn't find yourself looking like such a dickhead

Who said anything about misuse - the cad! (I certainly didn't).

I assume you were looking in a mirror when you wrote that, because it's the only way that it makes any sense

And so it is. Do you have a point to make?

You are quite correct. One has *every* right to complain - and some choose to exercise that right with annoying frequency. However, one does *not* have the right to expect to be heard - at least not by anyone in any position to address the complaint.

That this person has played other "free to play" sites that required a monthly fee to access areas of the game or a micro mall to cover costs? And that there's no point in complaining about wanting "free" access for them if you refuse to pay?

I'm afraid I don't really see the point of distinguishing between complaints about account verification made by people with free and with paid accounts.

I mean, plenty of landowners -- including me -- complained, at length, at the time that the changes were not needed and would cause us all unnecessary inconvenience, expense and lost sales.

But none of us could argue that Linden Labs were doing anything other than acting within the terms of service to which we'd agreed when we opened accounts with them and about which we knew full well when we bought land and established businesses. In that sense, they weren't doing anything we'd not already agreed to (effectively, pretty much what they like, without reference to us), so -- in that sense -- we had no justifiable cause for complaint.

Seems to me that Debra and I are in pretty much the same boat here -- we both find the changes a confounded nuisance.

But none of us have any redress, since Linden Labs haven't done anything we hadn't agreed they could do, so in what sense are my complaints more justified than are hers? Maybe I have more about which to complain, but why are my complaints more justified? I can't say that I could reasonably expect LL to refrain from making such changes arbitrarily, and neither can she.

ive been reading this thread for the last several days and just find myself equating the complaints only for paying customers topic interesting. i agree with phil in that you are not technically a "customer" unless you have a paying relationship with the biz owner. for instance, if my neighbor has high speed internet access and pay a service provider, they can call their customer service dept with complaints, questions etc. As a registered customer they are entitled to customer service and the terms of service agreed upon.

as the neighbor of the paying customer, my internet connection fails and i use my wireless capability to access my neighbors unsecured internet connection. i surf the web, use email etc. but i am not a paying customer of the internet service provider, even if my neighbor gave me the ok to do this until my own connection is fixed. if i call into the service provider with questions, they are not obligated to give me customer service and will have no record of me as a customer. i cannot in this case expect the same level of service or support as my neighbor who actually pays for the internet service.

to me this is similar to the situation in sl. some folks are not identified or registered with sl as customers and pay nothing to LL directly so they have no reasonable expectation that sl must provide them the same things as a paying customer and someone who is identified by the service provider as such. in order to access all the benefits of being an LL paying customer, one must register as such and then access those services.

seems pretty simple to me.

Hmmm. If Debra had worded her initial protest as "a confounded nuisance" I doubt this thread would have lasted 3 pages... much less 39.

It's nothing to do with account types, Innula. All that I'm saying is that someone who use someone else's stuff for free has no justifiable grounds for complaint if the owner of the stuff, some time later, chooses not to allow full access. It's not a matter of opinion. It would be different if the person was allowed to use the stuff for free, with the understanding that full access is included, and then put real money into it on the strength of that understanding, only to find that limitations are suddenly imposed later on. It doesn't need a premium account for that to happen in SL. Free account holders put their real money into SL, and they do have justifiable grounds for complaint.

That is just an opinion not fact. If it were fact why am I able to complain. I can complain on blogs I believe and in this forum. Someone that does not have a right to complain is not given the means to complain. Your posts are just about you, not me, which is why you will not stop making them. You must have posted this a dozen times now. You just don't like anyone being able to use the game without needing to pay.

Its simple, you accuse me of something and then in the same post do just that.



Actually, that is only the case if there is a double taxation agreement between the US and that country, if not, you pay tax in that country and the US.



Never mind what it says there, you can’t produce a law that has been passed. In order for anyone to have to do something there must be a law that requires them to do it, and no one can produce it, not even in court.



Why don’t you just stop playing around like this and get real. You know full well that you can ring up the IRS office for advice on how to fill in their forms. So ring them up and ask them what you have to fill in each year and where it is written that you do. They won’t tell you. You fill in a tax return because someone other than the IRS has told you to; they never will.



This reply is so childish.



I didn’t tell you to Google "US bankruptcy 1933" or tell you to look at the “Emergency Banking Act of 1933”; I told you to look in the federal register starting in 1933; so don’t try this crap with me because if you had any sense you would look at the statute itself, not a website that talks about it.



Unfortunately, the lindens ran scared and fooled everyone into thinking it was to protect the children when it was because a law was going to be passed in the US. As I don’t live in the US I don’t give a toss about the laws there or the lindens weak knees. So I will continue to complain about it whether you like it or not. Deal with it.

You'd better start giving a toss about the laws in the United States, and start doing it right soon. Linden Lab is bound quite severely by US laws whether you give a toss or not. US laws will dictate what you can and cannot do in Second Life, and I guarantee the lawmakers aren't going to pay the least bit of attention to what your feelings on the subject may be.

No, it's fact and not opinion. Nobody is allowed to use other people's things unless the other person says so. I don't know why you find that so difficult to grasp. In this case, LL has said words to the effect of, "Unless you do something, you can no longer use certain parts of our things." It belongs to them so, if you don't do that something, and you are not a paying customer, you have no justifiable grounds for complaint. It really isn't difficult to understand.

You haven't understood a word I've said, have you. Of course you can complain - you're doing it in this forum. I haven't said that you don't have a right to complain. I said that you don't have any justifiable grounds for complaint. Note that I always use the word "justifiable". Do try to read the words that I write instead of making them up for yourself. I'll say it again - try to read them this time, ok? >>

You don't have any justifiable grounds for complaint. SL doesn't belong to you, you haven't paid anything to use it, you don't have a deal with the owner in any other way, and you decided that you are not going to do the thing that the owner said you must do in order to use certain parts of it. What do you think? Are they wrong to disallow you from using those parts? Of course they're not wrong - it's their property, you are not a customer, and you don't have any deal with them about your use of it.

Here's something that hasn't been said... Everyone is in the same boat as you - paying customers, free users, everyone. And everyone has to do that thing if they want to use those parts. Paying customers, and those who put money in with the understanding that all parts of SL are accessible (subject to the wishes of individual land owners), have justifiable grounds for complaint, but free users don't have any.

I've written nothing about me in this thread. I'm a nett remover of money from SL - lots of it - and have been for a very long time. I would say the same about me that I say about you. There is the difference that I pay for a premium account, so I'm actually a paying customer but, even so, as a taker of money, I'd find it difficult to argue that my complaints are justified. It wouldn't be altogether straight forward since I am a paying customer, and it wouldn't be as straight forward as if I were a nett payer-in.

Well, then - by all means, complain, if it makes you feel better and you can't find more productive use for your time. Just don't expect anyone to listen, particularly when you won't take reasonable steps to correct the issue yourself.

I can guarantee you that the 6.7 billion non American people on this planet don't give a toss about US laws that don't even follow their own constitution, or its corrupt politicians that are owned by the corporations who are told to pass bills that are written by those corporations. Minnows like SL better start learning this.

LMAO!!! You *do* know how to win friends and influence people, don't you? LOL! Or did the nutter, David Icke, tell you to post that lol

Phil, I couldn't care less what you think. You carry no weight in my life. You are no more than a bug trying to live in my house because your life is empty and all you have is this one straw to cling on to. Go and get laid, life is more than just your right hand.

Out of all the replies I made in my last post to you, this is the best you can do. It's sad Katheryne. You and Phil should get together, you deserve each other. And while you're at it, take Brenda with you, you can use her as a bench to sit on.

Every resident of SL has a contract with Linden Lab.

What you described - stealing your neighbor's internet connection - is not a contract, but theft. You obviously, in that case, have no agreement with anyone, let alone permission to use the service.

Not the same, whatsoever.

....Why did I click here, why did I click here....

I'm too primmy to be one of Phil's benches.

Not at all. Free users, even those who don't give up any info to LL are not stealing service. LL allows them to use SL this way. You can argue whether they have a grounds to complain, but they aren't stealing. The fact that someone can use SL in almost the same way for free as someone who pays is LL's problem to fix.