plea to designers

*blush* thank you

see for me I love to create, be it prims, textures, clothing, whatever, I just love to create.

and it is fun having a store and managing it and running it and such a joy to see folks appreciate what I make

I always get a big smile when I sell something... and not because ohh I made some money, but because someone else liked my stuff enough, that they took the time and effort and money to buy it, THAT speaks volumes to me

and the sales, well they enable me to keep my store, my land, and the creative juices flowing

I did the math the other night, and in order for me to cover tier each month, I need to have sales of about 500L per day... sad thing is.. I do not manage to get sales of 500L per day, so sadly sometimes I end up paying on my tier out of pocket, granted it is not a huge amount, but so far the store doesn't quite support it's self

if it happened that I would have to pay more than half my tier each month I woudl probably have to close down, as I would get depressed and lose my creativity

the best part of being a designer is seeing folks with your stuff (just the other day I saw someone wearing the star tattoo I made, and omg I was all giggles and excited, which I think made her all happy and smiles too)

sorry for all the totem posts, was replying as I was reading.

They should be using skirts in place of glitch pants if they can help it, recently I replaced the glitch pants of a gown with a skirt, matched the color as close as possible, and it still looked fine.

If i needed a texture to match the top, I would wear the top, zoom in on it, and take a snapshot of it to use as a pattern while i make a new texture for it that matches the pattern as closely as possible.

The problem is that the skirt mesh makes the butt look huge. This is why many prim "skirts" are pants or underpants with prim attachments. Honestly, what we need are glitch skirts - an alpha layer on top and the glitchy area in the proper fabric, MODDABLE to a length that is acceptable to the wearer, since we are not all built the same way (thicker legs, etc.)

They never think about a woman and her lingerie....

or the fact that that they might want to wear a sexy corset or bra under the gown, they should keep in mind what lingerie goes well with their gowns...

Since those mod-scripts are becoming more popular, I do need to start saying something to the designers.


Not only do the mesh skirts require an adjusted shape, but they seem to always have a gap at the waist.

I have some corsets that are on the jacket layer, they would be much better on the undershirt layer !.

i have a gown where the top is on the undershirt layer, can't wear the proper foundation for it !.

Yes! I use it a lot for checking textures.

If we had a decent avatar mesh there would be no need for glitch pants or prim skits because there would be a skirt layer that did not make your butt look big, did not leave a gap at the waist, and which would move like a real skirt and keep your hips and legs covered. There is no sane reason for the comically ill designed mess we have to work with now. If everyone would go sign the jira about it maybe LL would fix it and we designers could make clothes that consumers would be satisfied with.

Its not quite that simple Kaimi, I for one do not want every outfit I own to suddenly be useless if they change the mesh.

I hear you. It would be worth it to me, but I don't think people who have spent a lot of money on clothes should find them suddenly useless. I think they should add an additional set of decent meshes so that the old ones would still work on the old clothes but there would be new ones for better new clothes.

Check out realxtend.org

They have done some cool stuff for avatar meshes. The OpenSim project will be using some of the features. LL will eventually have to upgrade the meshes just to look relevant to the technology that is bypassing them at a fierce rate.

Yes, it will be a major change and lots of very upset people.. but they will do what they think they have to for that shiny new era they see coming. Killer apps have to evolve and appearances are a major part of a social platform.

I am not arguing a should change or shouldn't change. But since meshes are on topic I thought the link above was relevant.

Thanks Mac, looks like my choice is clear. I am not going to be buying *any* more clothing if we expect them to be useless in the not too distant future and it looks like your post indicates that they would be despite what Kaimi says.

Unless LL comes up with a different mesh system. I still don't know how that could work if so though. LL is notoriously slow at doing things. OpenSim will be using the technology from RealXtend very soon. OpenLife is a place that is already making preps to install them.

Likely LL would allow either mesh type. Right now on the RealXtend server software you can be the linden mesh or the new fancy one. So, you will likely get away with keeping your look in tact and the clothes in tact if you wish. It is going to put a whole new angle on clothes makers, content creators as a whole really if they go with this.

LL will go with something eventually. But if it is the tech RealXtend has developed (and I imagine it will be) the choice will remain as to which mesh you use.

Maybe, but there is no guarantee LL will preserve two meshes - they often make drastic changes without preserving the old ways.

Oh, here is a direct link to some videos explaining what they are working on.

http://www.realxtend.org/page.php?pg=media

Clothes are 3D meshes that go onto the body mesh.

I think many will want to change to the new meshes after the advantages are seen. Even things like animations go right in the clothes stopping need for AOs. Fascinating stuff.

Never a guarantee. The only thing consistent about LL is they are never consistent.

Thinking about this further I do not see how it would work. I have a skin for the old mesh - I am unlikely to have the same skin for the new mesh - I switch clothes and switch to the new mesh - the skin for the old mesh is not going to work so likely it will select the last skin I used on that mesh. This means that changing clothes could force a skin change. Possibly shape too.

Maybe so and I can see the advantages but I am still not going to be buying my whole wardrobe again - I could not even get some of the items I have. Nor am I going to be buying much more clothing with the idea that people are pushing for it all to change in a way that gives good possibility that they cannot be used.

As it stands now.. and this is VERY early in the process, you make avatar changes in what is called the "avatar creator". If you ever played the Sims 2 and went through creating a character you get the idea. There is not much available for it yet... but what you do is go into that mode (think appearance mode) and apply stuff there. Skin is baked on to the mesh as far as I can see. It is even easy for one to take their RL face and import it on the mesh.

Like I said.. this would cause major waves in SL. It is a bit of getting used to from the old drag and drop method (as it is now).

And this is just one method albeit the most likely, but LL may have something else in mind. Avatar improvement is the focus lately so whatever they do will likely be announced semi soon. How long it takes them to implement it is another thing entirely.

Too early to know right now. It is just very apparent that virtual worlds are going to have an advantage over LL in this dept very soon. And this is just the infancy (Alpha) stage of it all. LL will need to match or exceed those changes or look like The Sims Online or There.com.

I don't really mind changes to the way you do it. I mind very much about what happens when I use old clothes vs new stuff. If that means my skin and shape has to change too then that is a deal breaker for me and I might as well consider my accumulated inventory as written off and not collect anymore.

BTW I have never played Sim2 nor any other online worlds except OpenSim and its all well and good them working on breaking changes but they have not even caught up with LL on important things yet. It is my belief thay interest will wane if compatability between OpenSim and SL widens - OpenSim is currently enjoying some of SL's popularity due to the compatabilities.

From what I have been reading and seeing in the time I have been interested I would say don't bet anything substantial on the interest starting to wane.

Yes, it is in Alpha stage but they are moving faster then LL is. LL supports it so watch them embrace the improvements as they come.

So the safe bet is not to spend anymore on clothes, get by on what you have and wait until they decide what to do because whatever it is is not going to change again soon afterwards for a long time.

I quit buying all together except for small stuff here and there. I spend only what I bring in, no buying lindens etc. I support people I like.. no just running to get something new to have it.

I lost the SL thrill though. I am too unsure about where SL is going.. will it be PG, will it be about businesses, etc etc. LL focused on corps so long and ignored the userbase that I got jaded. Recently when I discovered putting my own sims on my PC and building all I wanted I saw excitement again.

I won't say don't buy.. everyone needs to make that choice. When you think in terms of an outfit costing a few cents in most cases it can be a cheap way to have some fun. When the changes come down the road will it mean you didn't get that worth from the stuff with the fun you had? Depends on how much you spend of course.

I dunno.. sorry for taking this off track. I say glitch pants should be mod dammit!

And as for OpenSim and the like.. it is young but growing and progressing fast. What LL does to meet the superior meshes, etc is their guess at this point. I just know if I was in charge I would see the work or RealXTend and say.. hey, they already made what we can use and grab it. That is part of the advantage of RealXTend and OpenSim being totally open source. LL can cherry pick whatever they like.

I have two shapes I use (I found a free shape I liked first week or so in SL and have used it since). One I wear with pants and the other I tweaked the butt so it looks better with dresses. I heard that tip somewhere and it works really well for me.