plea to designers

No-mod jeans are sucky. With trainers I wear them 100%. With boots 92%, so they're tucked in. And when tucked in you can't see the bottom hems anyways.

If I want capris then I'll buy capris. I'll not turn jeans into them, because that looks sucky as well.

My fav designer has started making tops available on all three 3 layers. Excellent for anyone who doesn't dress like Nana =)

Not to be mean or anything...but I love comments like this in SL. Its not RL where you have the added expense of fabric and such...it costs you nothing to add these extra items to your products and generates happy and satisfied customers. Why in the would would you charge extra for that?

Just my .02cents

FaTeke

This whole thread has been a great learning experience for me, in trying to determine what the customer wants.

I always sell my things copy/mod no transfer, I like to play with my clothes, make changes, etc...and I'm pretty sure most people do as well (just copy it before you make changes lol...I've made some pretty dumb mistakes thinking "I don't need to copy it first I'm only going to...omg /cry"

Making parts available in different layers is not something I had thought of, or providing pictures of the item in the package, this is definitely something I will be doing in the future though.

And I am going to set up a vendor in my shop for transfer enabled items, that is a good idea and I'm gonna just borrow that

LOL, FT, your comment is not brighter either. Oh why? Because usually different lenghts are made in RL, not using SL's sliders, wich we all know suck big time for that. So that means different layers, different alpha, different upload, a.k.a. more work. Of course the cost would rise.
Not to mention that since real designs, (not some ripped items) take some hours to be made in RL, before upload to SL and in SL you get a tiny fraction (less than a thousandth) of the pay than if you'd work same hours in design in RL. Unfortunately not many people have respect for others work... that is a RL problem too, not just in SL.

So yes there is an added cost in labor. Otherwise your items will have bad edges and sucky lines and my guess is that you don't want that.

But, I agree that everybody should make everything on more than one layer, pants on both pants and underpants layer, tops on shirt and undershirt layers, even on jacket layers sometimes.



Indeed, the avatar mesh is a big pain in the butt. It's more than horrible if you try to do decent or even just a little more detailed design.

Mesh or not, I may not want to wear my glitch pants at the length you determine I should.

I purchased a dress the other day. The glitch pants were no mod, and a little bit longer than the dress, which made me crazy. I contacted the designer and she promptly handed me over a no copy but modifiable pair of glitch pants. Fine by me, and made me a happy customer.

And why charge more to include different lengths, since you're determined that nobody can modify your work but you?

Sorry, I don't know you, but this attitude is not going to endear you to your customers.

I understand that it might take you a little time to create the extra pieces in RL, and you might have to upload a couple of textures at 10L each.

However, once you have created the finished product it is cost free to you. You can produce millions of copies for 0L ... so again I say, why in the world would you charge extra. A happy customer who gets at least what they want, if not more than they expect will be much more likely to revisit your store and purchase again, and more likely to recommend your store to friends. Its a no brainer really.

FaTeke

Easy solution for all that will make everyone happy..everyone make their own clothes....everyone will have what they want when they want it..copy/mod/trans. No paranoia, no content theft, no losing sleep over trying to make all customers happy, no reason to complain about designers, no reason to complain about customers, etc.

I use OpenLife (when it works) to try out new textures... FYI - saves on uploads.

Great idea!

If you see me around in world, i'll be easy to spot. I'll be the one wearing a bin liner. They're about to come back in fashion you know!

*giggles* I will try to remember when I get in-world to send you a copy of the copy/mod/transfer burlap sack dress I have. Much better than a bin liner.

And whilst we're on the subjects of all things pants.... Please could designers include the pants in an underpants layer too?

Those of us who loathe and detest the whole "massive gap between the shirt bottom and the top of the jeans showing huge amounts of tum" thingy would hugely appreciate it.

Ta everso!

This request puzzles me. It has been my experience that pants on the underpants layer tend to still be as low-rise as the pants on the regular pants layer. If designers would just not design clothes that insist on looking like the avatar had an unexpected growth spurt and suddenly can't make their shirt hem meet their pants waistband, we'd be better off. Until the designers get a clue on this one, I look for shirt on the jacket layer to solve this rather than underwear layer pants.

What it comes down to for me is I only have time and energy to do what I can do and so I sell what I have to sell to people who happen to want it.

I wish I could make the perfect SL product that everyone would want to buy and everyone would be happy with once they bought it. I'm very interested when people post about what they like and don't like about clothes designs and I do take it all to heart.

As a very small time merchant, I'm grateful for this chance to explain some of the choices I make when deciding what to sell. I hope I haven't made it sound as if I expect anyone to buy my stuff if it is not exactly what they want.


I'm afraid if you see someone wearing an outfit with pant legs or sleeves that have been shortened using sliders you're going to think, "Wow look at that shoddy design!" Later on if you come into my shop and see the same outfit for sale you probably will avoid buying it and will even assume that none of my stuff is good quality.



I don't think you are mean at all. I appreciate your input about what kind of extra effort on my part might be worth it in terms of more sales.
All I am really selling is whatever expertise I have making my textures and the time it takes me, which is usually hours and hours. Based on my experience so far, if I put extra time into making extra versions I am probably going to charge extra money to make it worth my while while.



I understand completely. But I am selling what I am selling and presumably only people who do happen to want it will buy it.

If you ever do buy anything from me and then discover that you don't like it, please, please let me know and I will give you a complete refund. I want my customers to like the clothes they get from me and I just can't believe you would like the smeared hem on slider shortened pants. I do make all my prim skirts mod though in hopes that most people will be able to make it work by adjusting the position or length.

Each different length is a different texture which takes extra time to make. For each new length I'm going to have to upload several trial textures, look at it then tweak it and repeat in order to get the seems to match up. I can use the beta viewer to do it so I don't care about the upload costs but I do kind of want to charge extra money for the extra time it takes. From my point of view more than one length is more than one item.

No need at all to apologize, HoneyBear. I appreciate what you are saying. I make clothes for fun and a tiny bit of profit. I honestly don't have delusions that there is anything all that special about me or my stuff. I'm grateful that people even come into my shop and look around. I'm grateful some people do want what I sell and that I often get good feedback from customers. I'm eager to give refunds to anyone who changes their mind after they try on something they bought from me.

Here's what I do with most of my shirts. I make the shirt on every layer and I make matching underpants which will look like an extension of the shirt if worn with pants that have a lowered waist.

OK, based on what you're saying...I have to come by and check you out!

*adjusts shopaholic hat*

That is so nice of you! Thank you. I'll understand if you don't find anything you actually want to buy.

Um, really, rarely does that happen and I'll explain why. I run a freebie blog, so I visit a lot of stores each week, seeking their freebies to post on the blog. I've seen some really crappy stuff, and some unbelieveable stuff. If the quality is any good at all...I made a point of buying something, anything, to help support them. If the quality is crappy...well, I make no comments, but I don't post it on the blog, nor do I purchase anything.

A simple change of permissions would not extend that effort.

Have you considered that people might buy it and later discover (or fail to check during purchase) that they can't change say the pants length?

Commendable, however most people don't tell the vendor, they tell a dozen friends that they didn't like it. There are plenty of customer service stories around like this.

So give me the choice with the damn pants then!! when shortened enough if the skirt is of the right type and the right stockings are worn then YES, I'd rather have a smudged hem that someone *might* see from a distance as i'm dancing rather than looking like i'm wearing a dress with lycra pants underneath. Besides, they're not usually looking for smudgy textures...in my experience.

In your world yes... in mine and clearly others world, no, we'd just shorten the things and be done with it. We will agree to differ on this one.

That's exactly what I wish more designers would do, Kaimi!

I completely respect everything you are saying. Probably you are not in my target market and my shop is not your best place to look for clothes.

I do have things set up so that if you left click on one of my boxes you will see a list of the items for sale and what the perms are. Even so sometimes people IM me that they didn't realize something was no transfer and they want to give it as a gift. When that happens I always put another copy into a gift box and give it with a notecard to the intended recipient for them.

I love this dude...lol

I was just about to say the same thing but you beat me to it.

I like the name: Kaimi's Normal Wear

I'm not into bared bellies, stripper-looking shoes, excessive bling, boobs popping out of shirts...in short...I enjoy clothes I would wear RL - my personal fantasy extends to more formal/medieval wear.

I'll be in your store soon as well, Kaimi

Right... so here's one of yours, no particular reason, it popped up early in the search.
http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=392249

I would buy something like that.
I also note it has "bikini pants" which i'm interpreting as a short pant type yes?

*that's* all i'm asking for. No long pants under flexi skirts, it's just not right.

Woot! I just bookmarked your blog, HoneyBear!! After a year in SL, it's fun for me now to try to find decent freebies!

In digging through a box of decent freebies I had stored away to use for class materials for my students, I came across a really pretty summer dress in a light peach color that goes well with my skin and hair tone. I was wearing it when my partner arrived the other night and he raved about how great my "new outfit" looked. It was a real kick to tell him it was a freebie.

Always wondered how bad the customer service Ricky received to develop his aversion to designers.