SL closing down??

Dibs on 150! (^_^)y

Best of two worlds?
A fantasy of woman or femininity with bit more?
Though I thought this was usual male fantasy.

By the way to OP. Glory holes are illegal in US.
In fact in certain states there is sodomy and public sex especially gay will land you in jail.
Only know this because my sex driven acquaintances I have known in real life have been caught in the act so to speak.

Regard SL/RL images of children and abuse/
This is my dollars worth for those who care to hear my opinion/experience.
In SL I am sometimes a child like the avatar below.
I have never had sex here. I have no desire to have sex.
And only comments that have ever involved sex were either others questioning me
who aren't close friends about pedophiles or when I have been in one of my moods
telling naughty jokes and making fun of poseballs.
I went through period where I didn't wear the avatar especially exploring because
I was afraid out of innocent curiosity I may accidental have hopped up on wrong pose ball and had some spy photograph me on sex pose ball and get me banned.
In real life I have lived in many roles and alternative scenes but I am ill and have
very little interest in sex so all that doesn't really have any interest in me in SL.
Also as I got older the memories of my own abuse as child pretty much have ruined
me ever wanting it.
Sex depicted with children is wrong be it make believer or what.
I wish though there had more out rage and more protections of children when I had
been a child.
In most parts of US, In the 1960, 1970s and even up to the 1980s most didn't want to believe a child and most children never came forward because they didn't believe them, often when they did it became traumatic for the child.
In some cases children would be put in state mental hospitals and convinced it was a hallucination.
Children sometimes as young as 11 years old who pumped up with anti-psychotic medications that basically caused drug induced catatonic states who came forward and
were told they were mentally disturbed and no one had abused them.
I know this because it happen to my real life self.
Then in 1990s it became fashionable to push false memory theory as way to not believe children or Adults who came forward.
Anyway perhaps if there is crazy laws about pedophile its to make up for all those years
of injustice.
Personal I hate the idea if I drew what happen to me growing up.
The worse part for some is often those who are abused have those image repetive flash in their heads as part of post traumatic stress syndrome over and over.
As a Artist If I ever drew what haunts me the most that it might land me in jail if I ever drew out those memories and someone saw them it would be extremely disturbing.
Yet I would never personally draw that out but I definitely can understand why some for personal therapy might.
Children often draw out events in therapy, if they drew out a crime that happen to them would they end up in jail too?
Anyway most important thing for me in SL is to create and friendships
I just hang out with friends and create in SL.
Poseballs especially sex ones for me personally I find funny and there isn't one thing erotic about them.

38. But I had really cheap parents who refused to upgrade, so I was just glad we weren't listening on a reel to reel machine. My dad thought Betamax was the WAVE OF THE FUTURE...

Way to go, Pops.

Sigh. Rotten childhood. No wonder I'm a wreck.

If SL is closing down will their be a blade servers for sell ? I take a few blade servers for what they are worth $5 per blade server

Last one out, make sure you turn off the lights and lock the door.

No they can`t because they are selling the door and locks and light bulbs as well

Morning!

I have been over many of your replys, but some seem to miss out/get confused on what im trying to say!

First to CARL... Free dove was the first freebie store i ever visited in SL, It still one of my faves, and often take a newbie there and introduce him/her to it, over the 6 months I have also DONATED to free dove 2000L. The child I met in free dove, asked me if I would like to come to her funfair, she TP me there. Free Dove has nothing to do with this isssue, and i dont owe Free dove any apology!! Im making the point that it was there I first met a child avatar, hope that clears up that point!?

secondly some of u are confusing the issue, the book store glory hole thing is a RL thing.
SL is not....in plain language just because i would like the same privileges too go to to a book shop in the uk in RL , doesnt mean I agree with the content u can get up too in SL, which is a virtual world. Its a complicated subject, made all the more because its world wide, and we all got different views.

But the persons who say im strange/weird/sad can think what they want! Its these sort of people who make personal remarks instead of concentrating on the issue in hand and not adding constructive ideas that should pack there bags and leave SL....

Folks who cant imagine bi girls being attracted by trannies or shemales, are living a sheltered life. LOL Some of my sl bi girl friends go out with shemales in RL, and I have one friend in RL who a trannie also, his girlfriend buys his undies for him!!!
But we should be talking about the main subject, not about me.

To compound whole issue, this morning sky news has got into U tube for allowing a video of a girl being raped by a gang in a street, to be uploaded and made available to watch.
Its been taken off, but not before the damage has been done....a poll by sky news viewers say 68% say its up to u tube to police its content, but for how long i wonder?

Please keep the issue about the threat to SL and now too U tubes existance, NOT about me! To fd spark, you may think sex pose balls are funny, but too many, they are the most erotic animation things in SL, thats why theres zillions of them in SL, but like fd Spark says, and others. there in sl for fun and friendship, others are in there for being a trader, bussiness, land owner....we all in there for the diverserty of what SL can provide.
So lets work together)

Michaela

Michaela, I think (for a start) that it's your obsession with "glory holes" as some sort of barometer for society that has people puzzled. You also pepper your posts with News International scaremongering (Fox News, Sky News, the Sun, the News of the World - it's all calculated to cow people into a state of managed ignorance). This bizarre melange of views is what has me finding your posts strange, and feeling that the whole thread was a massive attention seeking exercise.


Maybe it wasn't, but that's how it seems to me. Nothing personal.

I could have sworn the other day you said that you were (37). Oh well happy birthday and lets hope tomorrow you wont be turning 39.

Turns the light out and shuts the door.

well if thats what you think, then this the first and last post i ever make here.

"Attention seeking" ...........you live in sweden, I live in uk, but we get these internet stories nearly every week here, the media here makes even government officials here shake in there boots and asks "Whos next" for another scandal....

I was seeking an answer at wether SL was closing down as I was led to believe. i seek to protect my interests and my investments already in SL.

That is all the attention i seek.


I will not reply or comment any further in this thread, its run its course!

I'm from the UK. You've also missed my point, but no matter.

Try a few million viewers each day, it's a terresterial channel not some cable channel.

thank you Rene!
x

I was watching C5 news yesterday whilst online in SL....i just knew this story would end up somewhere on the forums!
It is a serious enough subject though, maybe not for Americans ...as you can see from the majority of replies here (I wish LL would create a separate IRC chat channel so all the wanna-be comedians could hang out there for 24/7!) ....but it could influence public perception in the UK regarding 2nd Life. As you well know exposing child abuse and paedophilia have been hot topics for quite some time across almost every main TV channel in the UK.

I don't forsee SL ever being closed down over this, but long term i can see child Av's being banned or the signing up process for Brits into 2nd Life becoming more difficult .....maybe an extra layer of verification due to some law being passed in the UK covering all similar platforms . That's the worst case scenario I forsee at the moment.


Yes- today's hot topic is the U-Tube rape video.! Definitely a big push by TV channels here in the UK reporting various abuses on the Internet. Is it something to do with TV viewership dwindling as more and more people turn to the Internet for their main form of entertainment?

A quick collect-up:

a) Not true that you can't buy adult items on Ebay in the UK - they just have to be described in an inoffensive way with inoffensive pictures. It's not a government lead thing either: it's nutcase private individuals whose idea of a good time is hunting down anything "indecent" and making a stink about it. NB, these individuals have a remarkably well developed aesthetic sense - they tend not to object to pictures of ugly people modelling edible bikinis (or whatever): a very weird situation. But not run by or endorsed by HBMG.

b) There's a long history of "posession equals guilt" when it comes to adult materials in the UK. Ages ago, when the UK was seriously uptight, the top-shelf magazines had plenty of adverts for hardcore material sent through the post from Holland or similar places - which was fine, until it was intercepted in the post and nasty grumpy Customs men turn up on your doorstep asking about it. There never was a defence of "I don't know who ordered that officer, it wasn't me, please just take it away" - if your name is on the envelope, they will nick you for it. These guys also have what's called Stautory Right of Entry - no search warrant required, just walk right in.

So the current internet-porn laws are based on those older laws, and they say that there's no such thing as accidental downloading. You look at it, you're guilty. Of course, in practice, the people enforcing these laws know that you can't even choose to reject something until you see what it is, so they only act when they see several thousand images on your hard disk - but they have the option. Naturally, in theory, this means that anyone who watched the C5 news item is guilty too (and yes there are very crazy people who choose this whole topic so they have a way to divert and delay everyone around them...)

c) I have had some very creepy exchanges with people playing in child avs. Very, very creepy indeed. If I had my way we would have the last 5 minutes of render, always buffered in our clients so that we could hit a "gotcha" button and thereby provide good evidence for Abuse Reports - but there might be a sliiight data zise problem with that approach!

Yes, I ordered loads of hard core porn from Holland, and had it sent to Tony Blair, 10 Downing Street.

Must have worked, cos he's not there any more.

There is though way to record ever exchange you have written with others its built in the system but doesn't take photos nor handle voice.
You can review and save every conversation you have.
I do. Not sure if the logs though can be forwarded to report it.
I am sorry you've had creepy exchanges with people playing child avatars.
I like playing as child myself but truthfully I rarely go any where as child avatar because of others assuming the worse about us kids.
I like being able to be kid not because of anything illegal because its I never got to be kid first time through and I like to pretend I am not a grown up sometimes.
We all have our own things we enjoy.

....and 99.99% of child AV's behave in a similar manner as you. It's unfortunate that the Child AV image gets tarnish by tacky TV sensationalism.

If you didn't want people to respond to your asides, you probably shouldn't have brought them up in the first place. The person who clouded and confused the issue was YOU.

Does this 'U Tube' thing have something to do with SL? You weren't very clear on that. If it doesn't, why mention it here at all?

<applause>

Haven't read the whole thread yet so apologies if this has already been mentioned...

But there's not stopping sickos except by catching them (and there are Internet teams who do just that, so they'd be shooting themselves in the foot and find it HARDER to find them). Quite simply, these people were active and doing what they do BEFORE the advent of the Internet and they'd return to those methods if the 'net shut down -- they are the ones who DON'T stand to lose by such drastic measures.

So no, the 'net and SL... not going away any time soon.

Well then again its the same one that pretent that they are very ill IN RL to get attention to themselves.........

I'm starting to wonder if this is really still happening or if kid AVs are just shell-shocked. I haven't been taller than 4'4" for months and that's only because I'm usually wearing platform boots. My shoeless height is 3'11". I have a tall shape that I made myself but I feel nervous in it.

I go shopping, attend concerts, dances, and raves, hang out in welcome areas, visit the Cartel Hangout, NCI, and freebie malls. I've never even seen a single hint of intolerance. I have a friends list that grows by 1 or 2 a week, and they're honest people that I've spent at least a couple weeks with before friendship is even considered.

Heck, I was even visiting a friend who hosted his first quiz night at the strip club he works at. Sure, I looked WAY out of place. But it was a fun and friendly crowd and I had no problem with my place on the dance floor... Gotta love that Sine Wave stuff I have loaded in my Chim. Everyone's like "ZOMG! Those aren't the usual freebie dances!" Over 4000L well spent. (^_^)y

Another funny thing... I hang out at the camp that showed up on TV. I got a slew of IMs on my first day there. I let them know my intent (just hanging out) and I've been able to relax and chat there peacefully ever since. I really is fun and nice there. It's really the only place I can find people that are Anime fans that aren't fixated on Naruto, Bleach, or One Piece... Bleagh!!!! (>_<

What people do on their own time in their own IMs is their own business. That report got what it was looking for because they actively LOOKED for it. "Just say NO" works in SL too... (=_=)

Therein lies the problem. I'm reminded of an old story about boys crying wolf. Maybe this is also why the UK is turning into a "Nanny State."

Or so I've read in the media



No, they are not.



Again?

Mari

Short answer: yes.

The irony is how many of these stations tell you what a "horrorshow" the internet is, then turn around and say "and visit our web page" or "come to our area in Second Life to discuss this issue!"

Eventually, like I hinted at above, all this scaremongering will lose its edge, and the *real* ills will be lost amid the trumped up issues. Let's also not forget: most cases of abuse are *still* perpetuated by family members, not random strangers on the Inner-Tubes -- unlike what the media might wish you to believe.

Mari