SL closing down??

That's what you get for being a Lovable Knucklehead instead of a Loud Arrogant Redneck. That'll learn ya......

The news story video on UK "channel five" from the link posted earlier in this thread it's pretty clear that they mean business to expose that the child Avatar/sex thing is still alive in Second Life, despite the ban.

To think that this is just hysteria to suggest that Second Life's existence is threatened is naive IMO.

People can argue forever about pixel sex being fake all they want but people are not going to see it that way at all.

Second Life naturally attracts pedophiles and peepers and people with other bizarre issues. Debate all you want on it, if LL can't police SL, then it will policed by governments, one way or another.

SL is NOT the internet. It is owned by a single private company. They are responsible for it's content.

LL could not resist the pressure from the UK and US and other goverments. LL cannot place blame elsewhere.

So this is not hysterical at all. Seems all too inevitable to me.

I'm sure LL has been aware they've been heading for a showdown for a long time and that explains to me, why they have been trying so hard to give SL away, by giving away the code. They would want to wash their hands of it. They made their money. IMO, They would love it to be just THE generic brand, 3D internet no longer owned by them, which places the burden of policing it, elsewhere. I think that is pitiful, because it's just going to be a jungle, but I think thats the reality and a lot of people with significant money in it, are going to suffer financially.

Did you just say, "glory hole sex"?

lol - I can't believe we're using glory hole sex as a discussion point for states' rights. Thomas Jefferson is spinning in his grave like a top.

The basic answer is in our name. We are one nation comprised of a union of several states. Each state governs itself and subscribes to the laws of the nation. Think of us as 50 individual countries who are united as one and governed not just by the laws of the individual states, but also by the laws we have agreed to abide by on a national level. We are "united states".

SL is likely never going to close over this issue any more than The Sims, or any other game where minors are mixed with adults and can be interacted with in an inappropriate sexual manner either through animation or text. In all honesty Minors should not be on the main grid, LL has quite clearly stated the sexual depictions involving minors are to be ARed immediately and that they are working with proper authorities on this issue. I do not see any legal way anyone can say LL has to shut down SL over this issue.

Given that about three people can actually receive channel 5, and only one of them watches it, and he works for the company, I wouldn't be too concerned about this all told.

Their viewership went up?

In all seriousness, I agree. Frankly, the initial report by Mr. Ferrel did very little to change things with SL. We shall see. Meanwhile, I would dearly love to meet that reporter

Mari

All that has to happen is a big enough lawsuit. LL would have no choice but to pull the plug. They aren't going to be able to fight cityhall for years while the pros and cons of pixel sex is adjudicated---and you think the run on the SL banks was bad....wait till people are dumping land and suing LL.

It's all LL's fault for not having a long term plan that included a way to police SL for what would obviously become a problem down the road.

Since Jefferson invented the Lazy Susan, spinning probably is a good description.

"Glory Hole Sex" was one of Matthew Brady's most underrated photographs. *I believe it was overexposed*

Why on earth would paedophiles be naturally attracted to a place that is 18+? Governments do police it, same as they police the internet, if what you're looking at is banned in your jurisdiction then you're at fault. If you're engaging in illegal acts in your locality, then you're at fault.

rebecca, i salute your intelligence and glad in some ways u agree about what goverments can do under pressure. a long time ago, europe started beaming "red hot" dutch porn through the early sattelite sytems. We in the uk manged to see them for a about a week.
the thatcher government blocked it all out within almost 2 weeks....

But the majority of uk users, made huge fuss, saying we pay for it, we have right to watch what we want, which i totally agree with.. it was a dark chapter that incident, and stil in 2008 we cant watch eropean stations in the uk without paying a fortune for the rotatable sat dish and the card that costs u hundred pounds i believe to access about 12 0r 20 european porn channels(((

As far as glory hole sex is concerned, its just a point im making, no book shops or sex stores are allowed to let people in them have sex. only in licensed premises like a sauna or cinema club, and even then, glory holes are meant by uk law to be made for one person or two only, group sex in some sorts of situations makes the owners liable for prosecution on the grounds of uks outdated indency laws...In the USA ladies are alowed to go into book shops and have a cock thro a hole, there is no such thing in uk except in a few licensed and policed swinging clubs!

ok i go back to my bar at sl home and have a vodka i think, Hope i dont get kicked out of SL for being drunk haahaaha

bye for now gnight xxxx

This answer seems a little naieve. There is no plan for policing other than that which is already in place because there is no way to police the grid effectively. The technology isn't there, and you certainly can't accurately determine someone's intent when they first create an account. SL's liability for this is nil as long as they don't actively allow it. The ban on ageplay had no other purpose than to cover LL's butt, just like the ban on gambling. LL limited its liability considerably with those bans and with the subsequest token efforts to enforce those bans. I don't see a lawsuit going anywhere. For a civil suit, you would have to have the parents suing on behalf of an exploited minor, and you woul have to prove some complicity by LL. That's a tough one to win. You hear all the time about minors being lured away from their homes by perverts and you don't hear very often about chat room owners or ISP's being sued.

I don't see what is LL's fault. Child Sex? They banned it. I think you're more likely to find it on WoW where there are more children playing than on SL. "Reporters" setting up stories that can't be verified? How do we know that this wasn't a total setup, btw? Get a buddy to help or log on an alt to molest yourself and there's your story. That's not LL's fault either.

Did you just say, "cock thro a hole"??

USA! USA! USA!

/me fills out green card application immediately

I didn't say I believed him. I said "if". And I never said you didn't understand the Constitution. You sure seem to like to put words in my mouth.

I asked you to cite a law (which Chris did, by the way), and I said until I've seen one, I'll defer to the Constitution. Unconstitutional laws do get passed from time to time, which is why we have courts to strike them down (not that the courts always do their jobs either). Any law that says you can't draw any damned picture you please would be unconstitutional, but that doesn't mean one doesn't exist. I simply asked you to tell me which one it is, rather than just to cite an example of a conviction you witnessed, without having actually watched the entire trial. I still think there must have been other factors involved than simply just the possession of some drawings.

I'll repeat, IF such a law does exist, it's very troubling. And IF that man you mentioned was sent to prison for 5 years, simply for doodling, that's beyond troubling. That's reprehensible. It's fundamentally unamerican, to say the least., and so completely wrong, I can scarcely find words to describe it.

Because it's a place they can exhibit their driven fantasies with others obviously. Although minors can easily get into SL main grid, that is not even the issue. Thats a red herring unless there develops kiddie prostituion rings in SL---which of course in an intetrnational unpoliced place, would be inevitable.

Besides real pedophile activity SL, the imagery is illegal. People can debate that all they want, but it's just the reality. It's kiddie porn plain and simple.

It's an English delicacy.

Oh wait, nevermind. That's toad in the hole. My bad.

yes a couple can go into booth and get cock or pussy from other side usually..


see the (squirt) main page, look in google and look at usa, find an area, say new york, find a book store booth sex shop whatever, and look at postings, plenty girls go to usa book stores as well as guys. if only we were allowed them in uk !!!)

Oh Ebay!! i have been sending complaints and emails for 3 years now trying to allow
uk to access mature content, all i get is europe has too many laws on whats legal to sell and whats not, so most of europe not able to acccess mature content if they live outside usa.

this what rebecca means in a way, ebay just dont want the possible chance of being sued because they sold or had a product that was illegal to sell in the country that person lives in.

This is why before long if any more stories of this child thing get out again, wether true or not, theres going be trouble.

Also we here in uk are always hearing cases of missing teens being murdered, jersey in channel islands are pulling down a kids home or something, because of abuse....this RL nasty stuff is what the media love as front page news, anything extra like Sl children, makes the matter all the more worse,

im a afraid its sometimes a sad world we live in ((
im going this time

Neither is the Patriot Act.

What the hell does the Free Dove have to do with any of the rest of your post? They maintain a PG environment and have nothing to do with any sort of sexual activity. I think you owe them an apology.

This is common law in most EU countries by now. Every depiction of children in what can be explained as a sexual nature is illegal by law. (Even if these are artificial).

In the EU 'child porn' (in media, politics, law etc.) nowadays basically fulfills the same role as 'terrorism' does in the US.

Let me be clear, I'm fully against child pornography. But it's being used more and more as a political and media instrument now, mostly to push a different and personal agenda.

Sadly subjects which cause a heavy emotional response are very useful to manipulate general opinion and force issues. It's been part of society since we crawled out of the sea, only the subjects change every few decades or so.

I am the only one LOL scrolling past the bigger posts and just reading the small ones?

(what does 'gay acts' mean?)

You mean that wasn't what we were s'posed to be doin?



Broadway?

Mari

This thread = classic

Suicide?