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What are Ginko Bonds worth? - 2 |
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Brodsky Zapedzki
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09-14-2007 12:23
although seeing as this whole affair could be a monty python sketch maybe you do mean montley fool
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Wilhelm Neumann
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09-14-2007 12:24
There is also, LOT, KCG, EFM, AIC, MPR(GCS, VME)... I'd imagine LOT is pretty much fully liquidated by now. haha this is getting pretty funny. What percentage do you think might that be that is fully liquidated ? _____________________
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Wilhelm Neumann
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09-14-2007 12:25
although seeing as this whole affair could be a monty python sketch maybe you do mean montley fool I came back to find another almost 10 pages on this thread and its becoming pretty funny. and I belive that its Ginko Purest BS I have never found anything to be as pure in it as this _____________________
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Dzonatas Sol
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09-14-2007 12:26
Even perpetual bonds MUST have a face value, for this one reason (emphasis mine): You just attempted to make a strawman argument out of this, but it doesn't work that way. That is why they are called "perpetual," and that is the difference. |
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Brodsky Zapedzki
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09-14-2007 12:28
That is why the are called "perpetual," and that is the difference. wrong - we renamed them. |
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Dzonatas Sol
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09-14-2007 12:29
wrong - we renamed them. excuse me.. "pure" |
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Brodsky Zapedzki
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09-14-2007 12:30
now we're on the same page.
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Dzonatas Sol
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09-14-2007 12:31
haha this is getting pretty funny. What percentage do you think might that be that is fully liquidated ? Probably equal to the amount Midas has withdrew holding in GPB?  |
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Cristalle Karami
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09-14-2007 12:32
It is plainly evident that we are not going to agree.... can we just cut to the numbers and insider movements pleeeeeeease?
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Domaiv Decosta
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What are Ginko Bonds worth? - 2
09-14-2007 12:36
about the same as Northern Rock shares.
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Wilhelm Neumann
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09-14-2007 12:38
Is he? With an Alt? I must have missed this information being presented. I looked quickly last night for any ginko activity and there is one avatar buying them up and its consistently the same one (not many at a time but they may not be being sold any faster by people). I couldn't figure out who would buy them though... _____________________
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Cristalle Karami
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09-14-2007 12:44
I looked quickly last night for any ginko activity and there is one avatar buying them up and its consistently the same one (not many at a time but they may not be being sold any faster by people). I couldn't figure out who would buy them though... Mr. Ad Spammer himself has done a consistent buyback since dumping a large amount of shares. |
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Chas Connolly
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09-14-2007 12:54
Oh, for pete's sake, who gives a toss what ginko bonds are worth? Give it up people, pleeeeaaaaase.
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Talarus Luan
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09-14-2007 12:56
You just attempted to make a strawman argument out of this, but it doesn't work that way. That is why they are called "perpetual," and that is the difference. Wow.. your only response is to call a complete and total refutation of your entire argument a "strawman". There is no difference. A Perpetual Bond is STILL an effin' BOND. It doesn't enter your twisted and strange universe just because of the word "perpetual". I hate to tell ya this, but it DOES work that way. The FACTS are all present and accounted for, and you're not with them. What does that make you, again? Oh yeah... WRONG!!! Thank you for playing, though. |
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Wilhelm Neumann
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09-14-2007 13:01
Oh, for pete's sake, who gives a toss what ginko bonds are worth? Give it up people, pleeeeaaaaase. haha i think at this point chas no one is actually seriously discussing this. There is on poster who shall remain nameless that has generated the bulk of responses in this thread and the previous thread who is just playing around. The rest of us one by one get sucked into the vortex of insanity and then spit out at the other end. At this point I think there are zero posters in this thread actually doing anything other then posting jokes or inuendos for the hell of it to see what will happen next. Its kinda like a science lab experiment (think of it that way..) _____________________
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Cristalle Karami
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09-14-2007 13:09
The thread did actually get back on topic and it's somewhat fascinating to see how the trading price corresponds to the known assets.
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Dzonatas Sol
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09-14-2007 13:38
Wow.. your only response is to call a complete and total refutation of your entire argument a "strawman". There is no difference. A Perpetual Bond is STILL an effin' BOND. It doesn't enter your twisted and strange universe just because of the word "perpetual". I hate to tell ya this, but it DOES work that way. The FACTS are all present and accounted for, and you're not with them. What does that make you, again? Oh yeah... WRONG!!! Thank you for playing, though. This is next statement is the closest you will get to a face value on a pertual bond, BUT remember that NP fixed the yields to 1 cent a month instead of the equation below: " Investopedia Says: Since perpetual bond payments are similar to stock dividend payments - as they both offer some sort of return for an indefinite period of time - it is logical that they would be priced the same way. The price of a perpetual bond is therefore the fixed interest payment, or coupon amount, divided by some constant discount rate, which represents the speed at which money loses value over time (partly because of inflation). The discount rate denominator reduces the real value of the nominally fixed coupon amounts over time, eventually making this value equal zero. As such, perpetual bonds, even though they pay interest forever, can be assigned a finite value, which in turn represents their price. " Since there is no calculation for a discount rate, there is no face value as you say. There are just the market values and yields. If the market value ever hits L$1 and he buys them, that is essentially saying it had a face value AT THAT TIME, but that time is not now and expected to happen in ""pure"" time. Until you can give me an exact date of what that is for Ginko's ""Pure"" Bullshit... NEXT.... |
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Colette Meiji
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09-14-2007 14:32
I looked quickly last night for any ginko activity and there is one avatar buying them up and its consistently the same one (not many at a time but they may not be being sold any faster by people). I couldn't figure out who would buy them though... Wow youd think hed at least use 2 or 3 alts. |
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Colette Meiji
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09-14-2007 14:33
Oh, for pete's sake, who gives a toss what ginko bonds are worth? Give it up people, pleeeeaaaaase. Quiet or im telling Brenda. |
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Colette Meiji
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09-14-2007 14:37
It has hit 1 cent, so one could say it is up from 99% loss. Thats why you would use a data trend rather than just a couple data points. Put Adz's post into excel and make a graph if its hard to visualize it in your head. |
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Dzonatas Sol
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09-14-2007 14:59
Brodsky's graph is awesome:
http://slquotes.com/cgi-bin/compare041.cgi?symbol_1=GPB The performance trend of GPB with WSMI is quite a statement! |
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Brodsky Zapedzki
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09-14-2007 15:13
Full disclosure: Dzonatas works in the slquotes.com marketing department.
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Brodsky Zapedzki
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09-14-2007 15:15
and that's a 2 week graph btw. you can also get one for 1 month just click on "new", select "GPB" from the drop down menu and hit submit.
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Dzonatas Sol
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09-14-2007 15:16
and that's a 2 week graph btw. you can also get one for 1 month just click on "new", select "GPB" from the drop down menu and hit submit. shh... can't have anybody creeping on my skrills. |
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Brodsky Zapedzki
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09-14-2007 15:17
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