short AV=child allegation..has the witchhunt truly begun?

I'm 5'4" in Second Life, just as I am in real life and often get told how short or small I am. I find that quickly turning it around and telling or showing people how insanely tall they are is often the best course of action, just pull out a height meter. I think I've made quite a few people self conscious due to their height .

There's a group called "Normal Height and Proud", join up! The giant amazons can conform to us if they have a problem, I'm fine as is .

<posting as an ALT, i dont trust the inevitable flamers>

I have to say it...reading this thread is like seeing years and years of outward influences pressing buttons that cause automated emotional responses for something as trivial as child AVs on a virtual grid being played by mature adults.

I feel sorry for those who have stopped playing as children out of fear, and I also feel sorry for those coming to SL to play out some fantasy of theirs. Only finding that even in a grid of what should be pure freedom, you are denied simply because the man in the big chair doesnt wanna piss off some suit wearing mommy who wants to protect her children from all forms of adult content, despite the whole subject being inevitable to being found by minors. I can already comfortably say that most children around the age of 13, know what porn is, and how to find it. I disagree with sexual acts on children in RL, for obvious reasons, even if the acts were performed in history. It seems just plain wrong to me, that is not what is in question. What IS in question, is that people want to take a RL problem and emulate it in SL.

There are people on SL who perform sexual acts on SL...ALL THE FRIGGIN TIME. We allow this because they are both adults right? What the hell does it matter that these adults are playing young or old looking avatars? The person behind the child AV is NOT A CHILD, there is no mental scarring, no physical harm, and no actual crime.

No im not defending a pass time of mine(I have to clarify for the quick conclusion drawers out there, sad huh?) I dont do anything adult related in SL. I had bits of exploration in the past, but it got old. I build, thats all I care to do in SL because that seems to be becoming the only safe thing to do in the grid. For instance, I went to Gotham City not but a few days ago as my hobbit AV that I have had for over a year now...and i was asked to leave or be banned for being a child AV? I was just exploring for god sakes! That was the first time I went exploring in quite a few months. I spend most of my time with my work or with friends and their work.

Wanna solve alot of legal problems in SL? Try remembering a simple little obvious bit of logical fact....

THIS IS A GAME...or for those who disagree...a virtual life. SAME CONCEPT.

let that sink in for a moment...if you had a mind wider then a straight line, the whole idea of SL would click in your head, maybe this IS somewhere i can be what i want to be, maybe this IS a place i can do things i can't do in RL. Why? Simple...you're not hurting anyone. Plain and simple...

you want a summarized point to all this ranting?

its a game/virtual world...you shouldnt emulate RL in a game. As long as both parties are in agreement and are legal in age...who the **** cares about what their avatar looks like?

Ok im done...back to isolating myself from the twisted logic that runs SL. At least building makes sense

I have to say it...reading this thread is like seeing years and years of outward influences pressing buttons that cause automated emotional responses for something as trivial as child AVs on a virtual grid being played by mature adults.

I feel sorry for those who have stopped playing as children out of fear, and I also feel sorry for those coming to SL to play out some fantasy of theirs. Only finding that even in a grid of what should be pure freedom, you are denied simply because the man in the big chair doesnt wanna piss off some suit wearing mommy who wants to protect her children from all forms of adult content, despite the whole subject being inevitable to being found by minors. I can already comfortably say that most children around the age of 13, know what porn is, and how to find it. I disagree with sexual acts on children in RL, for obvious reasons, even if the acts were performed in history. It seems just plain wrong to me, that is not what is in question. What IS in question, is that people want to take a RL problem and emulate it in SL.

There are people on SL who perform sexual acts on SL...ALL THE FRIGGIN TIME. We allow this because they are both adults right? What the hell does it matter that these adults are playing young or old looking avatars? The person behind the child AV is NOT A CHILD, there is no mental scarring, no physical harm, and no actual crime.

No im not defending a pass time of mine(I have to clarify for the quick conclusion drawers out there, sad huh?) I dont do anything adult related in SL. I had bits of exploration in the past, but it got old. I build, thats all I care to do in SL because that seems to be becoming the only safe thing to do in the grid. For instance, I went to Gotham City not but a few days ago as my hobbit AV that I have had for over a year now...and i was asked to leave or be banned for being a child AV? I was just exploring for god sakes! That was the first time I went exploring in quite a few months. I spend most of my time with my work or with friends and their work.

Wanna solve alot of legal problems in SL? Try remembering a simple little obvious bit of logical fact....

THIS IS A GAME...or for those who disagree...a virtual life. SAME CONCEPT.

let that sink in for a moment...if you had a mind wider then a straight line, the whole idea of SL would click in your head, maybe this IS somewhere i can be what i want to be, maybe this IS a place i can do things i can't do in RL. Why? Simple...you're not hurting anyone. Plain and simple...

you want a summarized point to all this ranting?

its a game/virtual world...you shouldnt emulate RL in a game. As long as both parties are in agreement and are legal in age...who the **** cares about what their avatar looks like?

Ok im done...back to isolating myself from the twisted logic that runs SL. At least building makes sense

im probably the only one who will agree with you but i do completely agree with you
i would give my life without hesitation to protect a real child - but im highly offended by whats happened in second life regarding the ageplay issue including sexual ageplay. Offended enough that i dont care how much im flamed for standing up and agreeing with you. what you are saying is the truth.

Add one.

Nutty people bring their nutsiness with them when they come to SL. Doesn't mean the rest of us have to get nuts along with them. Just means we have to deal with nuts in a place where they don't have the little men in white coats and butterfly nets to round them up...

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See, I take a bit of exception to that. People should be able to be whatever height they like without being made to feel self-conscious about it...short, tall, medium, whatever. But to call real world heights 'normal' is a misnomer. They may normal OUT HERE, but we are talking about a fantasy world...there are very few limits to what's normal in SL.

I'm on board with that as well.

Didn't human beings used to be lots shorter like 400 years ago? Like I could never fit into the clothes they wore back then, and at 5'4", even I find their doorways short. Maybe we'll have an evolutionary change in SL as well, only we'll get shorter instead of taller. *shrug* Who honestly cares how tall someone is? I don't care how tall they are, how they look, or what they do with their time.

My history teacher would counter statements like this quite furiously.

He said it was a misconception that people were a bunch of shortarses in centuries gone by, saying height had more to do with ethnic origin. Male skeletons from Roman graves in England could be as short as 5ft 2in for example, but those of our Anglo Saxon invaders might be as much as 6ft tall.

If I recall correctly, average height of a British male _now_ is somewhere around 5ft 9in/5ft 10in, whereas the American male is closer to six foot. Can't remember where I read that now so like 63.32% of statistics, it's possible I totally made it up.

Totally, completely, 100% agree with everything you've stated here. In the real world, with real world threats i would do anything to protect a minor child. In a virtual world where it is assumed, especially so throuhg "PAYMENT INFORMATION" that the person behind the AV is an adult, no matter what the AV looks like, who cares what two consenting adults do. Child pornography is gross, amoral, and illegal. But are YOU going to march into my RL bedroom, behind closed doors and tell me and my significant other, both of well over 30 in RL, that *I* cannot dress up in a school girl uniform and RP a fantasy? We're both grown, legal aged, consenting adults ACTING and not hurting anyone.

Everyone has gone just a tad overboard with this hysteria and its ridiculous to say the least. If someone has a sick and twisted sense of fantasy and wants to act it out here in a virtual world on a DIGITAL, PIXILATED, electronic representation of a teenager, a furry, a cat, a neko, a dragon, a fox, a horse, a slave, an old woman or man, or whatever... if the person behind the DIGITAL, PIXILATED image is a fully grown, legal aged, CONCENTING, adult... tell me... just who is this hurting? The person fullfills their fantasy in a digital/virtual world with a knowning concenting adult instead of breaking some rl moral code/legal law.

Are you going to go around and stop the RL furry conventions taking place all over the world, and yes even in the US, because it "promotes beastiality"? Give me a break. Its fantasy, its roleplay, and its FAKE. Its acting between people old enough to know make an informed decision.

You cannot please all the people all of the time. And this is especially true with a metaverse such as SL. LL cannot conform to every single law in every single country. If that was possible we would all be one unified nation. LL isn't going to pull that off.

My advice, if you are an adult and don't like something two other adults are doing that isn't hurting anyone else and only involves the agreeing, consenting adults... then leave. don't watch, don't stick around. But don't try to censor everyone else and tell everyone else what they can and can't do based on your moral standing. If you are concerned about a child of yours seeing things in SL that you don't want them to see... well you know what? There is an OFF BUTTON on the computer. Take responsibility for yourself and your children, don't police everyone else.

I refuse to "grow" in SL to fit in with some seriously skewed standard of what is "right or normal". There is no normal in SL. The thought of being prejudiced against cause of my AV height, or that she has ears and a tail, or red hair, or striped skin, just galls me to no end. It is just as insulting to be judges so in RL for my shorter than normal height. Grow up people. Grow up and let people live, act, play, and have fun in a virtual world without tainting it with your narrow minded prejudices. i don't judge YOU for being 6'6" or whatever, or for being a furry, or wearing business suits, or anything else. Don't judge me and the very real and diverse population of SL and other online metaverses.

Add me to the list

Hehe okay. I'll take your word for it. But then why are all the doors so short in all those castles n stuff?

You've never been to Warwick or Windsor castle have you? The doors are H-U-G-E! The same goes for Little Moreton Hall, a rather famous Tudor house (build around 1450) which is just a ten minute drive from my home.

Not so for far more recent buildings in my nearest town centre, Newcastle-under-Lyme. They date back to the early 1700s and have very low doors. This had more to do with heating efficiency than anything else.

*locks*