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short AV=child allegation..has the witchhunt truly begun?

hope Antonelli
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10-07-2007 11:23
well, Its official. Ive had someone complain that my 5'2" adult proportioned AV looks like a child. Not an AR, just a comment that may cost me a job opportunity. Whats worse is the implication that because she is short that I MUST be engaging in ageplay. I have never represented her as a child in any form or fashion..other than perhaps a school girl outfit at a club where such was the theme. Why assume because she is a realistic rl height that she must be underage? Sorry, I chose not to take Sl steroids and play Amazon woman. DEAL WITH IT!
Steve Mahfouz
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10-07-2007 11:24
From: hope Antonelli
well, Its official. Ive had someone complain that my 5'2" adult proportioned AV looks like a child. Not an AR, just a comment that may cost me a job opportunity. Whats worse is the implication that because she is short that I MUST be engaging in ageplay. I have never represented her as a child in any form or fashion..other than perhaps a school girl outfit at a club where such was the theme. Why assume because she is a realistic rl height that she must be underage? Sorry, I chose not to take Sl steroids and play Amazon woman. DEAL WITH IT!


How did they complain ? Details please.
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Ava Glasgow
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10-07-2007 11:27
No, the witchhunt hasn't begun. It's just continuing.

Many women who have chosen to have realistically sized avatars are experiencing this problem. Although this is not an ideal nor totally effective solution, you may want to put something in your profile explaining that your av is an adult, but simply realistically sized.

Of course, considering the size of furniture in SL, you will probably always look like a child. :(
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Sindy Tsure
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10-07-2007 11:38
If every adult in the world were 20 feet tall, somebody 15 feet tall would, at least at first glance, appear to be younger.
From: hope Antonelli
DEAL WITH IT!

You too.

LL has made it clear that land owners risk having their land and inventory confiscated, their accounts banned and the RL info being sent to the RL police. Like it or not, people who own adult places have to protect themselves and you, having chosen to have an avatar that can be mistaken for underage, should learn to deal with that.

/me thinks it more likely that you will have lost the job because of your "_you_ deal with it" attitude rather than your height.

You think you're sick of getting mistaken for being underage? Try owning an adult place and having to look at everybody, guess their age, check their profiles, check your notes and ask them about it.
Marianne McCann
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10-07-2007 11:47
From: hope Antonelli
well, Its official. Ive had someone complain that my 5'2" adult proportioned AV looks like a child. Not an AR, just a comment that may cost me a job opportunity. Whats worse is the implication that because she is short that I MUST be engaging in ageplay. I have never represented her as a child in any form or fashion..other than perhaps a school girl outfit at a club where such was the theme. Why assume because she is a realistic rl height that she must be underage? Sorry, I chose not to take Sl steroids and play Amazon woman. DEAL WITH IT!


I've been talkin about dis for a while in the M2. Sadly, it seems more common than you tink :-(

Mari
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hope Antonelli
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10-07-2007 11:48
NO, my 'deal with it' was written AFTER the fact..and I dont see why if its an issue then LL doesnt make it impossible to make an AV under 6 feet talll. We can all be little cookie cutter zombies in the disney version of SL and bow to those who think that anyone slightly different is somehow wrong.
Alyx Sands
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10-07-2007 11:50
My avatar is 5'5'' and I get stupid comments too....
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Nina Stepford
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10-07-2007 11:52
oh dry up and blow away.
From: Sindy Tsure
If every adult in the world were 20 feet tall, somebody 15 feet tall would, at least at first glance, appear to be younger.

You too.

LL has made it clear that land owners risk having their land and inventory confiscated, their accounts banned and the RL info being sent to the RL police. Like it or not, people who own adult places have to protect themselves and you, having chosen to have an avatar that can be mistaken for underage, should learn to deal with that.

/me thinks it more likely that you will have lost the job because of your "_you_ deal with it" attitude rather than your height.

You think you're sick of getting mistaken for being underage? Try owning an adult place and having to look at everybody, guess their age, check their profiles, check your notes and ask them about it.
Walker Moore
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10-07-2007 11:54
From: hope Antonelli
well, Its official. Ive had someone complain that my 5'2" adult proportioned AV looks like a child.
Yeah. Assholes like that exist. What's new?
Sindy Tsure
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10-07-2007 11:54
From: hope Antonelli
NO, my 'deal with it' was written AFTER the fact..

Did your profile also say that you were 18+ beforehand? Did you get annoyed when you were asked about your aparent avatar age?

From: hope Antonelli
and I dont see why if its an issue then LL doesnt make it impossible to make an AV under 6 feet talll. We can all be little cookie cutter zombies in the disney version of SL and bow to those who think that anyone slightly different is somehow wrong.

Because that would just be silly.
Walker Moore
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10-07-2007 11:57
From: Sindy Tsure
LL has made it clear that land owners risk having their land and inventory confiscated, their accounts banned and the RL info being sent to the RL police. Like it or not, people who own adult places have to protect themselves and you, having chosen to have an avatar that can be mistaken for underage, should learn to deal with that.
Thank you for proving my previous point.

Probably best not to complain to Harry Linden if you've got a bug up your ass about short avatars. He's about 1ft nothing.
Alicia Sautereau
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10-07-2007 11:58
think my avi is 5.6 or 5.7 (what ever hight that is irl or in sl) but haven`t head an comment yet as my yap is twice their size and if i ever get an comment as my avi is more then an adult, the verbal crap they`ll get will be so high that they wished they were back in ahern for an vacation

mute them, abuse them, what ever but don`t take the piss from them when ur clearly an adult
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10-07-2007 11:59
From: Sindy Tsure
Did your profile also say that you were 18+ beforehand? Did you get annoyed when you were asked about your aparent avatar age?
No avatar is older than five years old dear. I suggest you AR yourself immediately.
Tomas Gandini
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10-07-2007 12:01
From: Sindy Tsure
snip...

Because that would just be silly.

As silly as 7ft tall oversized, skimply clad, Amazons without a brain in their head?
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10-07-2007 12:01
From: Sindy Tsure
If every adult in the world were 20 feet tall, somebody 15 feet tall would, at least at first glance, appear to be younger.

You too.

LL has made it clear that land owners risk having their land and inventory confiscated, their accounts banned and the RL info being sent to the RL police. Like it or not, people who own adult places have to protect themselves and you, having chosen to have an avatar that can be mistaken for underage, should learn to deal with that.

/me thinks it more likely that you will have lost the job because of your "_you_ deal with it" attitude rather than your height.

You think you're sick of getting mistaken for being underage? Try owning an adult place and having to look at everybody, guess their age, check their profiles, check your notes and ask them about it.


Wow, that was harsh. Plenty of people in SL have more realistic heights, myself included. There is a difference between an adult bodied slightly shorter AV than an obvious child AV. Why should everyone be 7 foot tall to be considered normal height and adult?
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Alicia Sautereau
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10-07-2007 12:02
From: Sindy Tsure
Did your profile also say that you were 18+ beforehand? Did you get annoyed when you were asked about your aparent avatar age?

/me gets tempted to put that in just to have some fun
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hope Antonelli
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10-07-2007 12:14
Actually I've never had anyone question her age before this. I've had the 'wow, you're short' comments..but no one has ever remotely mentioned her looking anything like a child. Which is why I made the OP about the witchhunt 'beginning'. Are all short AVs, regardless of how developed they are, now subject to question as to their age as well? I have always said hope is 18 in game..or at least since age has become an issue and I had to pretend she was any 'age' at all. Yes, now i have the disclaimer on her profile so there should be no question. Maybe IDV IS going to be a good thing if it gets rid of these ridiculous accusations that have no basis.
Adz Childs
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10-07-2007 12:17
From: hope Antonelli
Actually I've never had anyone question her age before this. I've had the 'wow, you're short' comments..but no one has ever remotely mentioned her looking anything like a child. Which is why I made the OP about the witchhunt 'beginning'. Are all short AVs, regardless of how developed they are, now subject to question as to their age as well? I have always said hope is 18 in game..or at least since age has become an issue and I had to pretend she was any 'age' at all. Yes, now i have the disclaimer on her profile so there should be no question. Maybe IDV IS going to be a good thing if it gets rid of these ridiculous accusations that have no basis.
heheh *maybe*
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Hmm, there's nothing really helpful there, but thanks for pasting.
Sindy Tsure
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10-07-2007 12:25
From: Walker Moore
Thank you for proving my previous point.

You're saying I'm an asshole?? Gee, thanks.

The point was that if I was talking to somebody about a job and they got annoyed about being asked their apparent-age, they would not get the job. If one person asks, 100 people will at least think about asking - somebody who can't deal with that is probably not somebody I want representing me or my place.

I didn't make these apparent-avatar-age rules, LL did. Anybody thinking I'm being harsh or a bitch should try also thinking about how these rules impact adult places that are trying to follow the not-so-well-defined rules.
Adz Childs
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10-07-2007 12:28
From: Sindy Tsure
You're saying I'm an asshole?? Gee, thanks.

The point was that if I was talking to somebody about a job and they got annoyed about being asked their apparent-age, they would not get the job. If one person asks, 100 people will at least think about asking - somebody who can't deal with that is probably not somebody I want representing my or my place.

I didn't make these apparent-avatar-age rules, LL did. Anybody thinking I'm being harsh or a bitch should try also thinking about how these rules impact adult places that are trying to follow the not-so-well-defined rules.
I do see your point. But you have to admit, you could have been a little more polite in the way you said it, since both sides of the issue are both victims of the underlying LL policy. Don't you think?
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Hmm, there's nothing really helpful there, but thanks for pasting.
Sally Silvera
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10-07-2007 12:30
Hope, sorry to hear that. I agree with those who said it´s not beginning, it´s continuing and imho possibly getting worse.
Any female looking remotely young and not the average amazon has probably had some comments or other made. It stinks.
As for how IDV is going to make a blind bit of difference ........ I don´t see it somehow. The paranoid will remain paranoid. And it won´t cure the sick-minded either.



From: Sindy Tsure
Did your profile also say that you were 18+ beforehand?


Why on earth would anyone's profile have to state that? We're all 18+ :p
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10-07-2007 12:30
SL has always has more than its share of misguided, self-righteous types who must go after "bad guys". There is (apparently) nothing more dangerous than an underage looking av.

I've been lucky so far. Teeny is under 5' tall, and has never been mistaken for a "child".
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hope Antonelli
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10-07-2007 12:34
Once again my point seems to be that this is a NEW thing happening, at least to this extent. I've had the job for some time now and it wasnt really an issue; until someone complained that she 'looked' to be a child. I havent changed anything in her shape or size in ages..so to say the ONLY thing I need to change is her height seems to be a bit of an implication that any AV under so and so's approved 'height' is obviously involved in age play. And for the record I did agree to change her shape to a more 'acceptable' height when representing this business..but if it becomes an issue when I'm not at work then I have no choice but to resign. I refuse to bend to someone elses vision of what SL should be.
Steve Mahfouz
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10-07-2007 12:41
From: hope Antonelli
Once again my point seems to be that this is a NEW thing happening, at least to this extent. I've had the job for some time now and it wasnt really an issue; until someone complained that she 'looked' to be a child. I havent changed anything in her shape or size in ages..so to say the ONLY thing I need to change is her height seems to be a bit of an implication that any AV under so and so's approved 'height' is obviously involved in age play. And for the record I did agree to change her shape to a more 'acceptable' height when representing this business..but if it becomes an issue when I'm not at work then I have no choice but to resign. I refuse to bend to someone elses vision of what SL should be.


Hope, I think as long as you make it perfectly obvious on your profile that you are an adult, no one can say boo to you. They can try to AR you if they are stupid/wicked/delusional but it should not succeed because your profile is so obvious. Just my opinion. Good luck.
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Sindy Tsure
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10-07-2007 12:45
From: hope Antonelli
Actually I've never had anyone question her age before this. I've had the 'wow, you're short' comments..but no one has ever remotely mentioned her looking anything like a child. Which is why I made the OP about the witchhunt 'beginning'. Are all short AVs, regardless of how developed they are, now subject to question as to their age as well? I have always said hope is 18 in game..or at least since age has become an issue and I had to pretend she was any 'age' at all. Yes, now i have the disclaimer on her profile so there should be no question. Maybe IDV IS going to be a good thing if it gets rid of these ridiculous accusations that have no basis.

You didn't say that you'd never been asked about it before in your OP. You said it may have cost you a job, I gave you the perspective from somebody who owns an adult place.

Since the rule is against RL age _and_ apparent age, IDV will do nothing to help this problem. I'll still be required to verify, though, since I own such a place.

From: Adz Childs
I do see your point. But you have to admit, you could have been a little more polite in the way you said it, since both sides of the issue are both victims of the underlying LL policy. Don't you think?

Maybe but the "DEAL WITH IT" in her profile says, at least to me, that it's _my_ problem if I suspect she may be underage.

In the 2-3 hours I've been in-world today, I've had one obviously-a-child show up and two that could have passed for anywhere from 14-20. All 3 required me to stop what I was doing and go talk to them. I'm not complaining that I have to do this. I'm just saying that as a land owner, if somebody gets upset that I ask about their age on my land, I'll probably stop being polite pretty quickly.
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