short AV=child allegation..has the witchhunt truly begun?

210cm ageplayer? um? laughs

Maybe we should start a giant schoolgirl club!

no, in the post i responded to, you came across as one who judges first. i learned in my short time here that not everything is as it appears. i don't jump to the reasons you did. and i have also learned that, just because you do one thing in a virtual world. doent mean thats who you are, or what you believe in rl. your post seemed to place the blame squarley on the OP's shoulders, rather than on her accuser's who saw a child ava. maybe i read it wrong.

maybe im alone in the fact that i dont see every ava shorter than me as a kid, unless they say so. or they are dressed accordingly. in regards to what you quoted me on, i did it to keep peace. i went from 7ft to my rl hieght of 5'6 and now im at 5'8, it stopped a lot of tiem wastign arguments with those who insisted i was too short, bordering child ava height ect. i understand you have a buisness to run. many do. but not all will assume that cause one is short, oneis there to cause issues or is a potential, child ava. again, as long as you dont run an escort service out of your land, you shouldn't have any issues with LL regardign short avas.

Read the OP again - no-one was reported.

No-one said adults don't have the right to represent themselves any way they want.

Child sex is, however, against the law (and SL rules). That applies to adults acting as children. What I said was IF there was sex involved (and no-one asked) then the question of age could be appropriate. IF it wasn't, then it was inappropriate and downright rude.

Please read before replying.

LLABS has not banned ageplay. They banned representations of underage sex.

I did read and let me repeat that being short does not equal sexual ageplay. Nor do I see why people are so concerned about other adult's behaviour. If you don't like it don't look at it.

ahahha where have you been the last few months?

Considering that all Avatars are controlled by adults -

In my opinion:

All Avatars should be assumed to be adult avatars unless the user claims differently.

No one should be ARing even a suspect Avatar unless they actually see them engaging activity that will cause the sexual depiction of a cartoon minor.

Please remember -

It is IMPOSSIBLE to make an Avatar in Second Life that is TOO short to be an adult human.

It is likewise IMPOSSIBLE to directly assign an Age to a shape or a skin. There is no variable field for it.

So the most there will be an Avatar that resembles a child. If an Avatar resembles a child then they are prohibited from participating in depictions of sexual activity. That is all.

lol...very true. Just seems natural to me to be tall though. I think that its true about the measurements being different. I was shocked when I found out that according to SL I was 6'10" tall! It just seemed normal to me. I'm not that tall in RL!

Hmmmm.... this makes me wanna make an avatar of my RL self! All 5'1" 98lbs of me, photosourced skins & all

/me thinking... who can I get to take nekked pics of me??

im tempted to become a child av just to spite the sticky-beaks.

If I used my rl size as a avie on sl. I would be banned too......i am smallers then you

ok, here's a serious question....

Why is it a landowners responsibility to report seemingly underaged av's engaging in taboo activities? you have little to no control over who comes in if you run a public establishment.... right?

and if they really are, and really doing such, why the hell wouldn't everyone in the area report them? DUH!

the restriction on land/shop owners is to THEIR content, and THEIR presentation of such.... not random joe/jane that wanders by

customers bitching? tell them to file AR to LL and let the people that can actually do something about deal with it.

I changed my mind about what I'll make for my "most socially offensive Av" .... it'll be an 18yo girl with turners syndrome so she looks 12-13 at best..... and I'll play her slutty as I can stomach to be... the profile won't mention age, just that's its an RP character and she has Turners..... lets see them chew that one down

on a side note, did you realize that under current US law the movie "Titanic" qualifies as child porn for depiction of sex by minors? :hakes head and walks away::

I have found recently that people have been making similar comments towards my av.
A couple of weeks ago my Av was measuring in (on one of those rulers instores) at over 6'5... I decided recently to go to my RL height of around 5'6 and since then have been getting lots of off the cuff remarks about ageplay and child av etc.. now i certainly dont dress/nor act in a childlike way..

Why is it, if your not a 6'5 tall Av you are classed by certain people to automatically be a child av?

A couple notes to this discussion, presented as food for thought.

Linden Labs policy on child avatars is - and this is my write up of it, confirmed by Chadrick Linden as being a correct recounting - as follows:

"Child avatars are in themselves allowed. Child avatars in sexual situations (sexual congress obviously, though it is unclear beyond this) are not allowed and ARable. Public promotion (classified listing, profile, etc.) of sexual situations with child avatars is not
allowed and ARable. Indicating that the *real age* of a child avatar (as opposed to a stated SL/role playing age) is below main grid age is not allowed and ARable."

Likewise, Robin Linden has clarified the policy as such:

"child avatars are fine, it's the depiction of sexual activity with children that is grounds for terminating an account, and could have potential implications for real world action."

I bring these up for a couple very specific points:

1. Linden Lab is not banning child avatars, but is banning a specific action with these avatars. Note in particular Robin Linden's language, which I feel is very specific on just what is actionable: the depiction of sexual activity with children. This is a policy built very much around that specific action. We can argue all we want about who is or isn't an adult here -- but this is, as was said, the crust of the biscuit.

2. What should especially be noted is that beyond this one thing, there is no specific actions to be taken. You can conceivably play a child avatar and act in a provocative manner, be a child avatar and walk around naked (in an area where other avatars might be naked: I'm not talking about going starkers through Orientation Island here). These could fall under the "broadly offensive" clause if you wish to really push the boundaries, but let's assume you do not.

3. This is key: there is no policy stating that a child avatar can or cannot see any item of SL content They may be exposed to anything in-world no matter how much of it you might otherwise wish to shield from a real child. Arguably, they can even potentially go so far as see two adult avatars depicting sexual acts -- as long as they themselves are not participating.

This is the far, far end of anything we're talking about here., but I note it for those shop owners who might be fearing for the loss of their stores and revenue simply for having a shorter than 6' avatar on premises. As sure as I am typing this, having been ARed by a 'concerned citizen' a couple weeks ago for being a child avatar, this is a totally non-starter.

Further, if a child avatar were to decide to use your premises to do such an action, you would not be actionable unless this was an action you yourself were condoning on your property. For that matter, I know of at least one location in SL that has been ARed numerous times that has condoned such actions, but acts in such a discrete manner as to make it all but impossible to action them: you really do need to have something legitimate, after all.

All this said, the buck stops with the landowner. If they don't want you there, they can bar you. You may not get that job unless you are up in enormo economy bulk-size range It can be a raw deal, and based on erroneous information as well as downright prejudice (I do not use the term lightly, but given that so many assume that someone in a child avatar automatically equals pervert and pedophile, I think it's a correct usage), but it still can and does happen.

Mari

P.S.: Hey, come to Livingtree before the 19th an check out my art show on SL kids. It might be some good food for thought for those who think that child play in SL always has to do with sexual acts.

It's the giant avatars! That's the problem! Six foot five? You're tiny compared to the giant avatars out there! We need to ban giantplay.... cause giantplay sex between a giant and a normal sized AV looks exactly like child ageplay. It's all about proportion here.

Firstly, SL meters != RL meters; it's not to scale. A lot less confusion would be had if they were simply called "units" instead of "meters," although there is some _general_ comparison.

How this occurred is because of the way the avatar mesh proportions and changes based on height. Scale-sized avatars don't proportion well, but larger ones do. So, early on in SL history there was a natural shift towards taller-height avatars for this reason. Everything else in SL, from vehicles, furniture, to buildings, is scaled to match this average. Don't whine or complain about it, it is simply the way things are.

In your case, heehe, I can see why.

(Yes I saw you once or twice at the WA long ago)

*hides*

This image is from a learning langugae center that is based out of Japan. Now look at the age of this avie? Now how can LLABS go around ( even in a learning english reason to promoto under 18 learning? ) This is scary........Can you imagen if these kids that ARE under 18 years of age getting in to the game?
On a intersting note..........In japanese the SL PR people are trying to exploit a Child english learning part of the future possible user base. Now mostly the age group using this school is between 5 to 17 years of age. Scary?A? LLABS is now TRYING to say If you have young kids and they can say adults ( its a english learning tool ) But really how can Second Life be for those of under 18 years of age? And how can LLABS promoto Second Life as a learning tool for under 18 years of age. When we are Mature content mostly? OH yes really IF these kids in Japan betweenthe ages of 12 years and 17years mainly use the platform of Sl for learnng english Then you would believe christmas is NOT on Dec 25 But of Aug 12th. I know this because my child has been a user of this said companies services. But after seeing how they be less careful in their new learning ideas. I am nolonger using their services and products!

Or worse adults in children avies ageplaying this shit............LLABS again has done what they always do SELL OUT.
This is just sick!
I have a photo of preteen in a school boys outfit. I need to uploaded and post it .....

To date, and i knock on wood, i have not been harrassed about my avatar height. I have been in SL closing in on 3 years now and she has always been the same height. I actually made her TALLER than my RL self. In RL i am 4'8", yes thats right, 4'8"! My avatar is a whopping 5'5'. Put her next to her husband in SL and she looks like a child to his 7'1" avatar. But you know what? That *is* normal and real for me because that is how i see the world in RL. To further things, sierra does not have the double/triple/quadruple D breasts that many (not all) of other female AVs.

Winter can actually vouch for her size having been dubbed "dinky doo" by Him. While she is neko and "cutesy" at times, i have never once portrayed her as a child AV or as there being a child behind the AV. The innocent question i could handle if it was asked respectfully. The accusatory witch hunt bs is where i think people would get the not so pleasant side of the adult behind the AV.

As someone else said, my profile says "Payment Info On File"

Enough Said!

Very few people use AVs based on how they look in RL.
I'm tall in RL so I don't have to worry about this whole Age Play deal when I use my avatar.
However for a while I did get a lot of "Eww annother Matrix ripoff" because my avatar wears the same long coat I wear in RL.
Except in summer when I don't wear a coat (obviously)
I don't look like any matrix character. I look like me.
People have stopped accusing me of being a matrix AV and now coment on my making an av based on my RL apperence (including the coat).

More and more people are comming in SL as a professional platform so more people look like they really look.

On that note I refer to one of my favoret soungs. A song by Nicola Ganchegui called "One Little girl". It's refering to herself. A woman who is just slightly shorter than your typical woman. I vagely remember her mentioning the insperation for the soung being her being dismissed as a "little girl" due to her size in spite of her obvious age (dose not look like a kid)

Don't do that: your actions would look the same as those of a picture-collecting kiddy fiddler, and defending yourself would be very difficult and very annoying.

The scenario you describe actually doesn't bother me too much: kids are part of life and when left to run around online, it's exceedingly unusual to find they get into trouble. It takes a very odd five year old to even begin to relate to a "grooming" conversation in ways the "groomer" would find useful. AOL back in the 90's was a huge experiment in this field - lots of people just beginning to develop online alternate personas, no strong separation between adults and children, some policing (but they were on a learning curve too): according to people's fears of today, it should have been a disaster area, complete devastation: but it wasn't. Kids are on their own planet.

Age*play* - adults operating as "sexualised children" - is the big problem here. Both for the unwitting spectator who breaks his own country's laws just by being nearby, and for those whose nascent fantasaies are reinforced by exposure to others (a problem with other non-ageplay kinks, too, I admit!)

I find I like to look like I do in RL. It's a good place to start from and it makes a strong character <> RL person bond. Other people like to look completely different: that's rather the point of it for them.

I know what you mean about women in RL who look very young: they have some rather cruel and uncomfortable challenges to face, imposed on them by others. So do I, because I'm a "big guy". Everyone has their cross to bear.

This is scary..........the photo indeed photo of said learning center LLABs has brought in ( as advertizing ) the japanese way of schooling. Why they have to show kid avies inlight of the german news issue aboput child porn just shows you how low llabs is becoming. I did not post the SAID companies name Because i don`t any problems resulting from them. But that photo and a few otehr are indeed showing it as a child schooling learning center ( just like rl ). This will cause a large wider scale problem then ever before........I can see more underage avie in this japanese grade school setting. shakeshead its so so tacky how they have to do this.

i encourage everyone who reads this post to be exactly whomever you want to be in sl - i encourage you to treat sl as a dream state and leave rl where it belongs. Mass hysteria/hypnosis/paranoia and social restraints will enslave you in this world if you allow it. break free. think for yourself. dont be a sheep. dream your own dreams, not someone elses version. dont live in fear. its not worth it. control your own mind. follow your own moral compass and learn to use your mute button!