short AV=child allegation..has the witchhunt truly begun?

Ooops sorry hope, i misread your initial post too say you possibly missed the chance of a job. If you have had the job for a while already this is even weirder. And definitely not a good sign. Totally understand you´re angry about this.

Okay, I see the point on the 'deal with it' part..It just aggravates me that SL has changed so much that its become an issue at all and at the time I was majorly peeved. I did take that part out of the profile because I dont want to be a bitch about it..but i still dont think its fair to make an assumption based solely on ones height. In rl thats discrimination and its illegal no matter what twist you put on it.

I don't know why this is such a big deal being that LL now allows adoption centers and malls filled with kids clothes and toys. I've met 2 child avi's who are not into sexual games, they are looking for a "mommy". Of course the RL person behind the avi's is an adult and that does creep me out a little.
It should be one way or the other. Allow child avi's or don't. While short adults are being attacked, the kids are taking over the grid.

On behalf of naughty-places owners everywhere: thank you. Believe me, we don't like it either but it's the way things are now.



Child avatars are perfectly fine until they go to an adult place.

Kid avs FTW!!1!!!1

Hope, do you know for sure who AR'd you? AR them for filing a false accusation.

My AV is short, only because I am in RL and I have grown accustomed to walking around looking at people's armpits. I have been lucky that no-one has ever questioned my AV's age, just made comments on how it is shorter then average... until... I was given a bunny as a gift. So, I rezzed the bunny and my AV walked around a bit carrying it. Then the comments started about looking like a child because I was holding a rabbit??? I got so tired of defending myself that I no longer take it out of inventory. So, my point being, is this going to start going beyond the height issue? Its seems like opinion is going to start outweighing fact...if it hasn't already...

No one ARed, it was just a comment/complaint to the owner of one place I work for. So I was given the choice of using a taller AV when there or quitting the job since they didnt want to have any negative image about promotiong ageplay..and those were their words. If I wanted to rp as a child (just because I'm short?) that was my business, but if I wanted to keep the job any time Im in there I have to change my shape. And if it becomes an issue otherwise(like her being in this shape even when NOT on their sim, because Im in that group) I'm assuming I'd either have to change permanently or face losing the job anyway.

Hope, sounds like you have a legitimate AR for griefing - they have certainly harmed your in-world experience enough to deserve that. Especially since no-one else in-world seems to think your av is a "child." Maybe your employer should/would file one too for costing them a valuable employee?

Really, LL should be made aware that there are sick minds around looking for an excuse to harrass people unjustly by abusing this very important subject for their own sick needs.

/me blinks.

Have you read this? http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/05/31/keeping-second-life-safe-together/

Hope, it's a crappy situation. As somebody who has to deal with it on a regular basis, I think your best bet is to have your profile say "18+ in RL and SL" (which you've done) and just parrot that any time somebody asks. Since it sounds like your avatar isn't obviously 18+, you're probably going to see this more and more. Sorry.

Well, the person making the comment was an ass.

Your boss requiring you take a taller AV while employed there is his/her right, and many will say smart buisness sense. I call it spineless, but that's my sole opinion.

I run security for many "adult themed" clubs. My take on "age play" is that unless it states in the avatar's profile that they are a child-avatar, OR that they denote in chat that they are a child-avatar, then the avatar is an adult-avatar since everyone on the Main Grid is over 18, as noted at signup.

LL can fan the flames of the which hunt all they want, but I won't. Until a person state something about their avatar, no one else knows a darn thing about what the person behind the avatar is thinking.

For those that wish to complain about "short avatars" and the like...*shrugs* You can TP out, or you can be TP-Homed. Your choice. That goes for Lindens as well. A head up an ass gets a boot to try to move it back in place.

~Jessy

I have been a av under 4' for going on 4 years now. Ive been a child av for nearly as long. I have recieved no negative comments, as far as I know, since I do ignore them. However, this constant relating of short avs as a negative is rediculous, even to the point of comical.

The short avs I know, not all child avs, are helpful and great people that I am pleased to call friends.

The child avs I know are a wondeful group all fun loving and being amoung that group makes me very happy to be a long standing part of SL.

Some now claim that avs should be limited in size! This is so backwards it's beyond belief. My height should be controled by someones mindset is negative? Hardly and I will always fight against this.

while reading every single post and running over my own, i have to say this to clear my view for some and others and not be taken wrongly

i`m not against child avi`s (ok, babies is crossing a thin line)
i treat them like i treat others
age play how ever makes me frown abit but unless spammed with the "play" in chat, u won`t hear an word from me

just had to rectify this befor being taken for some of "those" ppl

Yes, of course I have read this particularly execrable cover-your-ass document that encourages everybody to persecute-thy-neighbor. Doesn't mean we have to put up with that, or with people who are abusing the situation when they should be talking things over with their shrink. Does mean letting LL know about it when they do something unusually stupid and it is having actual bad consequences in SL.

And what's the matter with reporting obvioous abusers of any LL policy? Especially one so sensitive as this one?

I'm a particularly short Av, so is my alt, about 5'-2" with shoes on. I've never been mistaken for being underage, except once when I was in the Amsterdam sim going to the Escher exhibit, when somebody very specifically questioned me to my face. I told them to look at my breasts - would a child have ones of that size? Let alone my face is obviously not childlike. They promptly left me alone.

Har, one interesting thought about IDV..... I am able to verify now since I am concierge service. Will I verify? NO.... the reason being by doing so I am stating I wish to visit areas with 'explicitly sexual or excessively violent in nature'. And these are things, being an admited child av, I want to avoid like the plague.

Now if I verify arent I admiting that my av, being a child av, wishes access to those areas? The way this is written LL has made sure I wont verify.

Actually, we kinda do have to put up with their rules.

Because, in this case, it would be a complete waste of time. If the employer was running an adult place and thought Hope would be mistaken for an underage, it's well within their rights to not give her a job. Or if the owner didn't like her hair or her name or anything else.

I don't think it's fair and don't run my place like that but it's within the rules.

Heh. I love SL. I even love LL - for creating it - and I'm really rooting for them to do well, I really am. But no-one has ever accused them of thinking policies out before instituting them.

Methinks they were in a panic over the ageplay issue and adopted a strategy of shoot-ready-aim. : (

A friend of mine likes to have Japanese styled avatars that are pretty short. They do look young, as does his picture in his RL profile. His profile section said a bunch of Japanese type things along with "real age unknown". His RL profile said that he is 20. He is 20 in RL. Apparently someone AR'ed him and the Lindens PM'ed him asking him to verify his age, lol.

Too a point.

LL owns the grid, that much is true. In that there are certain laws they must follow and as the creators they are entitled to maintain their own rules as well.

However, we are the customer.
Old addage; The customer is always right.

Why?
Just an old an addage; If you don't take care of the customer, someone else will.

Perhaps LL should learn history before they repeat past mistakes, learned by countless buisness people. Short version; If you tick off those paying you money and you'll soon be out of work.

~Jessy

Hey, I'm tall in RL!

Seriously, not all of us tall gals are that bad you know. When I chose my height I didn't think it was tall, I thought it was just not short and my experience has been pretty well what it is like in RL; I'm taller than most of the folks I see everyday so it just seems normal to me. To be shorter would seem strange...

Though often I do run around as a Tiny and everyone just bumps into me all the time...

Actually, wouldn't this be a "munchkin-hunt" rather than a "witch-hunt"?

Just drop a house on anyone who complains.

The easy way round this is to assume that the SL foot and metre are only about 90% of the RL ones. My av is 5ft 6ins in RL measurement but my measured SL height is about 5ft 10in in SL feet and inches. It is the measurements that are different, not us!!!!

hehe you'd have to be DARN tall if your 7 feet irl.

My AV is 4'1", and only rarely does someone say something about my height and being a child. I then tell them to look at my breasts, since I was clearly visited by the titty fairy.. and would they like me to put a request in for them to be visited by the brain fairy..

Over all, unless I dress in a school girl outfit (same one the tallers are allowed to wear) do I get asked if I am a child AV. Pisses me off some, but hey, I was raised not to pick on idiots, so I'll just change into something more adult looking and tell them to fark off sweetly..