SL, A Sleeping Beauty and Blue Mars

SL was a techis only platform for its first few years they are the ones that made SL work... dont see anything wrong with Mars being one for the 1st few either...

as far as staff go.. LL staff are WAY the hell worse and you know it lol

nothing wrong with techies starting off BM - well said Tristin

BM is still a zygote and SL is a toddler - she can run, she can jump, she can say words. Can she take advantage of this early lead ?

Seems like their selling point is the graphics, but SL graphics are just as good at higher settings...
For those of us who are in SL for the conversation, the graphics are not super important.
Plus, don't people realise that this new BM will have tons of it's own issues?

They are comparing this to SL, so that kind of tells you that SL is still leading the way.

BTW, that congressman who hates SL, I wonder if he is going to go complain about the new BM?

Look, I don't mind discussing other 3-D worlds in comparison to SL. I just don't appreciate being labeled "trailer trash," or "blingtard," because I'm an average user who creates stuff that might not be up to pro standards. Hey, I'm still learning!

From reading Blue Mars' FAQ, cities are not designed OR influenced by the average user. In fact, only the city's owner can define it's look and feel. Also, while you might be able to lease a space in the cities, you might still be forced to deal with their overall design choices. Same goes for leasing a shop. I get the feeling there is nothing like Second Life's mainland, where one can completely express oneself, no matter how poorly built.

Plus, it doesn't have any form of content creation tools. While it's great that they're gonna support industry standard programs, they're also closing off a segment of users who can't afford those programs but are still very creative. I admit, I find a lot of the other 3-D programs bewildering. I'm a sloooooowww, learner and if you think learning SL's tools are bad, these are worse.

Honestly, I had toyed with the idea of trying it once it went live. I have read the FAQ repeatedly, trying to find SOMETHING that would hold my interest. I've been waiting for reviews from other users, because they're the ones that are gonna break the program or make it do things the devs have never imagined.

I've also toyed with other "worlds," and somehow always come back here, to SL. I guess, SL just has the right mix to keep me. And I'm not the least bit ashamed to say that if someone came along with tools and abilities as Second Life, but with better customer service, I'd probably be taking my money to them. But Blue Mars isn't IT for me.

Really, this is a very exciting business proposition. I personally see this as not so much an SL killer as a WOW killer.

With BM, people who have been playing MMOGs forever, and have SOME graphics skilz (or are willing to pay the content creators who are now in BM Beta), can roll their own quest-based game incredibly quickly. If their roleplay framework is attractive (and open) enough, other people will want to add cities to the game, each city will have its own twists and quirks, and it could become ever-expanding, an 'open source' game evolution model.

I want to invest.
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So it's competing against City Of Heroes Architect Edition, Spore Galactic Adventures and Ryzom? Interesting, but I'm not aware that any of those are as significant as SL..

Actually, it sounds more like Blue Mars will put the final nails into the MU* (text-based) role-play settings. And maybe not even then, because there is always gonna be someone who wants to be a 4 legged critter... Well, that's what SL's for!

To use another analogy, SL is like a Swiss Army Knife. It's useful for alot of purposes. Even an average cook would not use one to prepare meals on a daily basis. The corkscrew works fine, but a bartender would likely prefer something else. It has sissors, but I don't know anyone reaching for them in casual use, especially when regular sissors are at hand. The toothpick is reusable, but kind of wide and doesn't really get between the teeth.

The SAK is great when there is no other alternative. By the same token, it's silly to look negatively upon anyone for exploring or using a proper tool for the task, simply because it has no corkscrew or toothpick.

Someone said it in the other thread, it's like comparing apples to oranges. To some it's just fruit.

Kinda narrowminded, if you ask me.

I definitely agree it is wrong to denigrate or cast aspersions on someone who chooses to explore other alternatives to SL, but it is just as wrong to do so to those who choose not to.They will have their reasons, and to insult them, their intelligence or their unwillingness to try something new is poor form.

I like fruit. I like it a lot. That was just mean, though, Dave.

How much are you getting paid for your devoted defense of sl?

You did the same thing the op did but for sl. Actually, you were even more defensive of sl.

And I agree, many people will leave if something better comes along. And with the many problems sl has, the terrible customer service and the very high prices, I don't think it would really take much to lure them away.

i dont get all the hostility here.

it´s a bit like the old days when the kids where going like "my nintendo is better than your sega"

if you dont care about bm, just ignore it, if you hate people who think it´s better than sl, be happy if they leave, it can be so simple...

i like the idea of sl, and i dont think bm will be like sl at all, but i also see the nice stuff they do there and i would love to see a virtual world with the bm technology. as i said a few times over the last 2 years sl uses some really outdated tech that annoys a load of content creators, and the avatar mesh is a joke

also, most people dont know that there is a pretty big racing community in sl, and the 256x256 sim limit is not very cool to build racetracks, just an example of what bigger sims could do.

and the LL behavior the last 12 month doesnt help to get trust back and invest a lot in sl (doesnt matter if it´s time or money).

i dont know much about bm myself besides the engine they are using, and from that it sounds like a dream for gfx people.

for me a virtual world is all about awesome gfx that i can create and play with and share with friends, what else is there that you cant get in the reality?

but i guess different people want different stuff, so why not let everyoyne have an opinion without bashing and insulting all the time, and try to get happy with your virtual world.

i guess thats only a dream though, i allready noticed that hostility is a core element of internet forums all over the web... :-/

anyway, have a good day

Spank them some more, Connolly.

I may need your fire hose, Harris.

Fair enough.

My apologies to those who felt I threw a blanket accusation at everyone in SL. I was only referring to the naysayers.

That said, I've said enough.

Peace, out.

Good one.


This right here says all that needs to be said.

You may see and use my hose any time, Connolly.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Why would thappen with Blue Mars if it didn't happen with There, ActiveWorlds, Second Life, ...?

I have no idea.. just had to say it. Kinda like the "SL is DOOOOoooommmmeeddd!"

Hmm.. come to think of it, you're right. It'll just siphon a few more people off, then.

If you're an immersionist, switching virtual reality setups to switch tasks is like killing yourself and reincarnating as a chef instead of just getting out the swiss army knife to open a can of beans. Even if you KNOW you'll reincarnate safely, it kind of leaves you feeling you're missing the point somewhere.

Your assignment: Compare and contrast Blue Mars with Multiverse.

http://www.multiverse.net

Funny

the sega was better.

There is no SL2. It won't even be versioned 2.x

Right now it is referred to as SL09. It is not a start from scratch. It is the same code, with some heavy modifications, mostly in the UI.

Hand picked residents are helping to test it in it's current state right now.