SL, A Sleeping Beauty and Blue Mars
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Whimsycallie Pegler
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07-07-2009 12:35
From: Nika Talaj Rudely phrased, but I bet it's quite true. BM is not now for residents, it is for developers and content creators. Though Avatar Reality is leaving the door open for their grid to be opened to a general resident population, I think the eventual model will be for developers to create games using the Blue Mars platform, and a player will register for one or more specific game. I would think these games may have their own grid, or (more likely) be hosted on BM's.
But even so, after the beta, I bet a big BM grid will be opened to the social networking masses, with a bunch of neat content and no specific 'game' on it, because how else can they test scalability, really? No test harness will generate enough random behavior to meaningfully test the scale that Avatar Reality needs. Whether the emergent "society" will continue to be hosted, once developers role out their own games within BM, is questionable. I haven't seen any statements from Avatar Reality executives that indicate an interest in social engineering for an online community.
. That is exactly the problem I have with Blue Mars. It doesn't sound like to me that it will ever be geared to the average user. So far I cannot see the benefits of playing in thier elitist world. I am willing to concede that this might not be the case with the finished product. I am just sick about hearing about it right now. I don't know why those involved in this starting phase feel it is neccesary to start thread after thread in this forum about how Blue Mars is going to do in SL. Plus I wish they had considered peoples tendencies to shorten words when they chose the name Blue Mars.. I mean.. ugh.. BM. |
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Novis Dyrssen
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07-07-2009 12:35
From: Dave Herbst I am a network engineer at BM, involved in multiple projects on the leading edge of technology. *shrugs* Doesn't impress me. Guys who talk as arrogantly as this usually have very small dicks or actually deliver pizza.
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Brenda Connolly
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07-07-2009 12:36
From: Dave Herbst I am a network engineer at BM, involved in multiple projects on the leading edge of technology.
I suggest you might want to check where your own head is. Thereby not an objective reporter.
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Brenda Connolly
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07-07-2009 12:38
From: Whimsycallie Pegler That is exactly the problem I have with Blue Mars. It doesn't sound like to me that it will ever be geared to the average user. So far I cannot see the benefits of playing in thier elitist world. I am willing to concede that this might not be the case with the finished product. I am just sick about hearing about it right now. I don't know why those involved in this starting phase feel it is neccesary to start thread after thread in this forum about how Blue Mars is going to do in SL. Plus I wish they had considered peoples tendencies to shorten words when they chose the name Blue Mars.. I mean.. ugh.. BM. LOL, but nicely said. And Novis owes me one Coca Cola. 
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Novis Dyrssen
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07-07-2009 12:40
From: Brenda Connolly And Novis owes me one Coca Cola. *hands one over and offers to clean up monitor, too*
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Meade Paravane
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07-07-2009 12:42
From: Dave Herbst Comparing SL to Blue Mars is likened to comparing McDonalds to the Waldorf Astoria.
If all you expect is burgers, don't look at Blue Mars for a quick meal. By the same token, don't walk into McDonalds and expect chateaubriand.
SL is trailer trash, while BM is a gated community.
BM is not about inept blingtards, it's about innovative developers. /me winces! Kinda harsh there, Dave. I don't have lots of loyalty to LL after all the crap of the last year but these kinda comments are uncalled for. At least LL has a product that's actually out. It might have issues (/me grumbles and replaces 'might' with 'does') but it's something people can use now and their customer base spanks BM silly. LL needs serious competition to encourage them to get their act together and I'm looking forward to seeing BM but, really, don't be such a dick, please.
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07-07-2009 12:44
From: Dave Herbst I am a network engineer at BM, involved in multiple projects on the leading edge of technology.
I suggest you might want to check where your own head is. Dave, is one of the projects to reduce the size of female butts? Pep (Or do they have to be big enough for you to stick your head up and/or talk out of them?)
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Lance Corrimal
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07-07-2009 12:45
From: Dave Herbst I am a network engineer at BM, involved in multiple projects on the leading edge of technology.
I suggest you might want to check where your own head is. do you serve fries with that? where's the link to WITHDRAW my signup to the BM beta? With guys like you running the stuff i don't want any part of it. The Lindens might be clueless but at least not (yet?) outright insulting their users. |
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Dave Herbst
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07-07-2009 12:47
From: Brenda Connolly Thereby not an objective reporter. I'll be the first to admit it. My point being, there seems to be two camps in SL, those who understand technical innovation and those who don't. Among those who don't, is a large body of naysayers who know absolutely nothing about anything innovative. Among those who do, I find alot of real creativity, especially because they've been restrained by SL's shortcomings and intransigence. Why would anyone discourage that? |
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Novis Dyrssen
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07-07-2009 12:51
From: Dave Herbst Among those who don't, is a large body of naysayers who know absolutely nothing about anything innovative. How exactly do you come to know the qualifications of participants in any BM discussion thread? How do you know what MY qualifications are?
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Nika Talaj
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07-07-2009 12:52
From: Dave Herbst Comparing SL to Blue Mars is likened to comparing McDonalds to the Waldorf Astoria
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BM is not about inept blingtards, it's about innovative developers...
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I am a network engineer at BM, involved in multiple projects on the leading edge of technology.
Careful, Dave. Who, exactly, is going to inhabit BM cities, if not 'inept blingtards' (with excellent gaming rigs on their desk)? BM provides no tools for casual content creators, so the people playing will be people who just want to shop, golf, sail etc. in a completely beautiful environment, perhaps themed ... sound like any blingtards you know? Also careful, someone here might actually know ... oh, say ... Li-Han for example, and think he should be alerted to his staff over at SL boards, creating animosity. p.s. and yeah, the Waldorf is overrated, tho I have always enjoyed listening to the harp in the lobby.  |
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07-07-2009 12:54
From: Lance Corrimal where's the link to WITHDRAW my signup to the BM beta? With guys like you running the stuff i don't want any part of it.. Dittos! If you are going to represent the company, at least act professionally, router-boy.
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Dave Herbst
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07-07-2009 12:54
From: Novis Dyrssen How exactly do you come to know the qualifications of participants in any BM discussion thread? How do you know what MY qualifications are? I don't. I do know how your insults read though. Which is why I suggest reflecting upon your own situation before commenting on others. |
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Novis Dyrssen
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07-07-2009 12:56
From: Dave Herbst I do know how your insults read though. Says the guy who started the rudeness by calling us a bunch of blingtards and trailer trash...
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Dave Herbst
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07-07-2009 12:57
From: Nika Talaj Careful, Dave. Who, exactly, is going to inhabit BM cities, if not 'inept blingtards' (with excellent gaming rigs on their desk)? BM provides no tools for casual content creators, so the people playing will be people who just want to shop, golf, sail etc. in a completely beautiful environment, perhaps themed ... sound like any blingtards you know? Also careful, someone here might actually know ... oh, say ... Li-Han for example, and think he should be alerted to his staff over at SL boards, creating animosity. p.s. and yeah, the Waldorf is overrated, tho I have always enjoyed listening to the harp in the lobby. Cities will be inevitably be inhabited by the "average user". These cities will be "user driven", not by BM. |
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Dave Herbst
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07-07-2009 13:00
From: Novis Dyrssen Says the guy who started the rudeness by calling us a bunch of blingtards and trailer trash... It obviously got a rise out of you. I find it quite telling, that so many so called innnovative SLers are so anti-innovation about any other platform. "Fanboi" comes to mind. |
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Raudf Fox
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07-07-2009 13:13
*yawns* Thanks Dave.. Just what I needed to know to keep from going there. And telling all my "blingtard," "trailer-trash" friends about the staff there too..
Gah, while I might (do) complain about LL, at least they do tend to fire staff who insult users and potential users alike.
Short story.. if I can't create there, I am not going to be there and neither is my money.
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07-07-2009 13:16
when you love something you talk about it and think about it a lot. I love SL. But as a content creator I am somewhat frustrated by the limitations of SL - no mesh import, small sims etc, etc.
I am very encouraged to hear, from Marcush Nemeth that LL has an all new version 2 in development. I really wish LL would talk more about the road map, V2 etc as I sense a loss of confidence in the SL platform at ground level in the trenches, as it were.
SL has had a very difficult year, and I think we should remember that she's still a toddler, a baby princess. I want to see her grow up and marry the King !
I do love SL, but I have a strong feeling I love BM too !! am I being unfaithful ??
is it like old girlfirend, new girlfiend ?
I like my old girlfriend, we're comfy together. But boy that new girl's HOT !!
And do I have time and room in my life for 2 loves ?
I sense that, time-wise, LL have a small window of opportunity to make best use of their ' First To Market' advantage.
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Ting Luminos
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07-07-2009 13:19
Can LL make best use of their ' First To Market' advantage ?
they have not done this yet
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07-07-2009 13:24
From: Dave Herbst Comparing SL to Blue Mars is likened to comparing McDonalds to the Waldorf Astoria. Right now it's like comparing a good family restaurant with a restaurant in a good hotel. If you want McDonalds, you know where IMVU is. SL is far from the "quantity leader" in the 3d space. Something to keep in mind: most hotels, even good hotels, don't bother with a good restaurant. They know they don't need one. |
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Meade Paravane
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07-07-2009 13:25
It's more like comparing a place that's open with one that's had an "opening soon!" banner up for a while..
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Dave Herbst
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07-07-2009 13:26
From: Raudf Fox *yawns* Thanks Dave.. Just what I needed to know to keep from going there. And telling all my "blingtard," "trailer-trash" friends about the staff there too..
Gah, while I might (do) complain about LL, at least they do tend to fire staff who insult users and potential users alike.
Short story.. if I can't create there, I am not going to be there and neither is my money. For the record, I am not on strength at BM, however my beta status is deeply involved. This is why I can say what I say, without fear of losing my status. In my application for BM beta, my qualifications were met with open arms and I was immediately redirected to specific individuals involved with certain projects. Our interaction is exciting, innovative and revolutionary. There are alot of really impressive minds at work over there. SL had alot of the same innovation, but much of it is snubbed by LL or trampled upon by naysayers. When I say "blingtard" or "trailer trash", I by no means put everyone in that box. I am specifically referring only to the narrowminded. |
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Novis Dyrssen
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07-07-2009 13:27
From: Dave Herbst It obviously got a rise out of you. Insults tend to have that effect on people, I am told. [/sarcasm] From: Dave Herbst I find it quite telling, that so many so called innnovative SLers are so anti-innovation about any other platform. "Fanboi" comes to mind. I am no boy, neither in SL nor RL. I am a fan of SL, yes, for my own set of reasons, but that does not make me anti-innovation. Show me real innovation in BM, then I'd be interested. So far, I have seen moderately nice pictures, but no groundbreaking new technology. But gee, maybe I just don't get it because I have no dick. [/sarcasm - really, now]
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07-07-2009 13:28
From: Dave Herbst I'll be the first to admit it.
My point being, there seems to be two camps in SL, those who understand technical innovation and those who don't. Among those who don't, is a large body of naysayers who know absolutely nothing about anything innovative.
Among those who do, I find alot of real creativity, especially because they've been restrained by SL's shortcomings and intransigence.
Why would anyone discourage that? My point is you are sounding like an arrogant ass. Even there, you are pretty much dissing anyone who isn't a "techie". Is that what the developers at BM advocate. A "geeks only" club? Or are they going to want "regular people" over there, spending money eventually? You "creator snobs" crack me up sometimes. I'm one of those that you so warmly refer to as trailer trash, I spend a lot in SL on the creations of others, $10KL alone this week. But anyone who displayed the arrogance and elitism you are showing wouldn't get a prim dime from me. Especially when they are proclaiming themselves as part of the staff providing that service. Nika was right in her observation of what BM stands for. *Turns on her bling and heads back to the trailer park"
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07-07-2009 13:28
I'm still waiting for something like SL that can push my system & the graphics to the limits. I'm still waiting.  C'mon Dammit!! My video card has 1792MB on it! I have 8 GB of RAM!!! I wanna see something that pushes it to the limits!!
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