A Sad Day.........

I'm not against the ban -

I just think caution is very necessary.

I am positive there is potential danger here - and if people ignore the possibility it is far more likely to cause issues.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Talk about abuses.

She shouldn't make too big a deal out of this practice, because we loud and angry totalitarian advocating freedom-haters might ban that too.

I agree with everything you said. I'd feel just as bad as anybody else if an innocent person got censored.

I just say that it's an acceptable risk; a necessary evil; and I will stick to my guns that it's not a reason to let the ad farm extortionism go on. Anyone who insists that freedom is worth so much that abusers should be allowed to trash the mainland on purpose can put their money where their loud mouths are and come pay my mainland tier.

I think a person makes it quite clear that there is no artistic endeavor involved when the land is priced in the vicinity of 600L/square meter. It tells me that a) he doesn't really want to sell it or b) it's extortion. Far more often than not, it's B. I won't AR anything that is just ugly, but if the intent is to make me miserable enough to buy the view, then I will be happy to AR it.

This is one of my cat suits. As you can see, I'm completely naked.

Exactly.

I agree. Especially as I will be looking at land tonight. I think. Yes, let's make it personal.

GG sits in his little corner of his little world, with saliva drooling down the corner of his mouth. 'Fortunately the corner he is sitting in is soft, his jacket is strait, and his arms are snugly secure within their constraints.
He patiently awaits the nurse and two orderlies for his regularly scheduled medication.
He has no agenda, no dreams, no aspirations...He is now integrated smoothly into the society of the institution in which he finds himself.
He smiles up at the nurse and two orderlies, they don’t smile back. He doesn’t mind, remember, he has no agenda...
The needle pierces his buttock...slowly oblivion overtakes him.

After a long time which seems an eternity he awakes form his sleepy stupor only to repeat everything again...

GG sits in his little corner of his little world, with saliva drooling down the corner of his mouth. 'Fortunately the corner he is sitting in is soft, his jacket is strait, and his arms are snugly secure within their constraints.
He patiently awaits the nurse and two orderlies for his regularly scheduled medication.
He has no agenda, no dreams, no aspirations...He is now integrated smoothly into the society of the institution in which he finds himself.
He smiles up at the nurse and two orderlies, they don’t smile back. He doesn’t mind, remember, he has no agenda...
The needle pierces his buttock...slowly oblivion overtakes him...


So...Trout, try interpreting what I am saying in THIS post, you said it so well about what Chris is stating in his...

/kneels before Sling.

So you are the one putting all that road construction on my commute...please have mercy on me, oh Lord.

Desmond, I have snipped the rest of the post, just because of the length, but I have to say that that is one of the best things I have read on this issue and it made me think differently about what it going on.

Everybody IS free to do whatever they want on a private estate, and LL DO own and run the mainland and can decide what they do with it.

With this policy ruling, LL are not saying what needs to go on in SL, but on the estates that they themselves manage.

How many dumb-ass "I got sent on a hilarious cage ride" ARs does LL already have to respond to?

At least grief-build extortion exists in the form of evidence that takes about 3 seconds to go verify.

It's always sad when we have to admit that we cannot govern ourselves. There is always an exchange of liberties..a sacrifice of freedom to insure the good of the whole.

its' always been this way thru the histroy of man..left to our own devices we ultimately destroy ourselves again and again and again.

there has been no victory...only an change of the guard. Do not ever think that one victoriuos battle makes the war won.

~Lana Tomba

Something else that is sad is they gave us all the freedom we wanted on the mainland for the first 3 years in SL and instead of building Utopia, we built ad farms and casinos. Greed rears its ugly head in every world humans occupy.

QFT

True. But you missed my point. I would be willing to bet, if gambling were allowed, that the number of AR's received by LL went up yesterday by a significant factor. Poopmaster sent in over 1100 in his attempt at the AR equivalent of particle-spam crashing a sim. God know how many others were generated. LL probably was ready for some increase, but likely did not increase its staff significantly.

Now, how many "I got sent on a hilarious cage ride" AR's does LL actually respond to? They don't respond to all the AR's as it is because they don't have time. If they get bombarded by crap from people who send in hundreds of ARs because they hate ad farming, then we are unlikely to get the response we want. LL has not historically taken care of its residents very well. What happens when they get frustrated with the volume of ARs?

Avion, you and I are on the same side. I abhor extortion-farming. I don't care about legit advertising or people using their land as they see fit, but when they use it for what would be a crime against others in RL, such as extortion, that's where I think the line should be drawn. I think the slippery slope argument is not applicable because the policy goes after intent as opposed to aesthetics. But I'm urging a cautious approach rather than an angry mob approach because this problem is an elephant. You eat an elephant one bite at a time, not all in one giant swallow. If LL had been proactive on this, ad farms would never have become a problem, but they are such a huge problem now that we need a systematic approach to eradicating tham rather than a nuclear bomb approach.

No freedoms were lost whatsoever. A company listened to the vast majority of it's company base. That sounds like a good way to run a business if you ask me.

I'm sick and tired of people acting anything like this was more than that.

in "Utopia", More did say it would be ruled by a benevolent tyrant.

Don't bet on that..while I'm pleased that LL finally took some action against long time abusers of the system..it has been my experience that plugging one hole in a sinking ship usually causes another one to appear.
Don't be surprised if..
The next time you happen to erect a store front near a residential area and LLs governing body steps in and tells you that vendors on the inside of the store are an eyesore..so therefore you have to window up your store. Im' not saying this will happen.. but it's never good to let government control more of our lives.

They clearly stated in their blog nothing is written in stone(i liken this to balloon loans with variable interest rates.)They want to be able to take this "case by case"..all of that makes me very uneasy.

~Lana Tomba

That's where your missing my point. I in no way shape or form am ever under any disillusion whatsoever that LL is a government. It's a company and it's their call.

Secondly, the slippery slope argument puts me to sleep. It's used way too often. Guess we shouldn't have fire inspections because the next thing you know the governement is going to start inspecting your homes...yeah, right.

Hmmmm. Yes, More and Hythloday’s conversation about placing one’s talents at the service of a ruler demonstrates a conflict between two ways of thinking.

Hythloday believes in the purity of the ideal of truth, whereas More believes such purity has no value and that talents must be put to public use, even if the original ideal is compromised by doing so.

More is committed to the Humanist ideal of individual conscience and wrestles with the problem of whether one can remain true to one’s principles and to truth while in the employment of a ruler. As Hythloday attempts to demonstrate, reality would force a conscientious person to make many concessions to power and corruption. However, More and Giles argue that the wise cannot leave leadership to the corrupt and must attempt to better society when possible.

To sum it all up: More would be on the side of the folks making all the AR reports in the last 24 hours in service of King Phillip.

Hey! It's MY milk, no one else drinks it, so I'll dang well drink straight out of the jug if I want to. The thing is, I'm not forcing anyone else to watch me, nor am I asking for L$10,000 to make me stop...

OMFG I LOVE IT

QFT for all time!!!

But I don't think Chris approves of Ad Farms.

He just approves of land rights.

Hopefully the AR system that LL have does things like mark the "frivolous" AR submitters and sorts them lower into a priority. After the first 10 of Poopy's ARs were read and labelled as "without merit" the rest kind of sunk to the bottom of the stack, allowing the more meirtous ones to rise to the surface and be acted upon.

There was a time, way back in beta days, when it was against the rules to have a parcel with nothing on it but signage. It didn't matter if the signage was attractive and unobtrusive either, and had nothing to do with land for sale. I'm not sure why they dropped that, or when, but this hardly signals the end of creative freedom in Second Life.