A Sad Day.........

I think that what you mourn is the illusion of freedom.

Others celebrate the fact that the abuse of freedom by soulless pondscum is being stamped on.

Do you mourn the"loss of freedom" to
- throw litter all over the streets?
- spam the hell out of people using email? Hey! Where's my 'freedumb of speach' Dude?"
- drive on the wrong side of the road?
- drive through a red light?

Logically, you must mourn the 'loss of freedom' to do those and similar things - on a point of principle.




*Passes Chris a hankie*

While nearly everyone disagrees with Chris, stop and think of some of the things mentioned yesterday -

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People going out of their way to AR anything that resembled an ad farm even though it was no where near them ..

poopmaster's claim to have filed 1147 ARs (and counting..)

People advocating 'when in doubt, AR it, and let LL sort it out'.

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While many argued this was just the pent up frustration in action - which I hope is the case,

It *IS* setting a bad precedent for dealing with annoying neighbors / and even non- neighbors and their builds.

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When the Age verification comes into place ,if this same attitude is prevalent, Its sure not going to take much to have the "cops" (Lindens) knocking at your door asking questions.

Not to mention showing LL what happens when they try to listen to us...

Things will settle down in a week or two. I do think it's just a lot of pent-up frustration being released. Up until now, our only way to battle extortionists was to get into IM arguments with them. At least that's the method I tried.

BTW, as much as I hate ad farms and cutters, I have not filed a single AR, because I always made sure ad farms are nowhere within my draw distance wherever I have lived on the mainland.

Exactly. This has been brought up in other threads already.

I bought someone out as a favour to release his tier. He'd bought up the whole of the little bits and bobs and the sim did look good. However, his neighbours sold, land was snapped up by our friends the landbots and there you are. Nice sim is now crappy sim.

Crappy sim at outrageous prices. I've blotted it all out now and I think it looks good. Getting positive feedback. Not everyone is as lucky as I am.

I'm thinking the same.

And I have never had mainland near an ad farm. Near a club- 1 left, the new one is high up & vaccant. Around my shop are rental houses, so no biggy there. So far I've been lucky & had decent neighbors on the mainland.

Yeah - If the reaction against other's builds (and adfarmers) is too spiteful/over the top -

LL will be less inclined to listen to complainers next time

-OR potentially worse -

they will see this rampant <report everything that moves> fervor as a community mandate to impose even more rules.

No precedent is being set for "dealing with annoying neighbours".
I would wager that if one were to AR an ugly build today or next week, or next month - it would get no more results that a similar AR in the past.


The log was quite clear on the spirit/intention of the move.



We can build "ugly" to our hearts content.

You know how when glancing through things quickly you misread some words?

I at first thought you said "homicidal hot chicken soup."

And can you people please quit trying to hijack this thread? We were talking about a group neked day huddle or warmth day ....

Actually, the 'freedom to ad-farm' isn't removed at all.

The rule about ad farms only covers about 20% of the grid!

And our service provider exercised *their* freedom to do business as they see fit, on *their* estate, all the while still allowing you to do differently on yours.

I call that freedom, myself.

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This is a really important concept.

The freedom (within law enough that our service provider, or you, can remain online) to create your world as you see fit.

There is no need to wrest for creative control, or social control of the mainland. That is our service provider's estate.

Go offshore and join the democracy experiments, the corporate-states, the gorean masters, the artsy utopia types, and aye, even Caledon - all the rest who wanted 'different' and create your world as you see fit. Like-minded individuals may join you as tenants, join their regions with you - you name it, you work it out.

No personal offshore estate? Even Ayn Rand would say: that's not the service provider's problem.

There is no precious resource on the mainland that is being held back - not food nor shelter nor water - we really do have an incredible degree of freedom.

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This is meant as a semi-serious answer, as someone who also highly values freedom. An honest answer out of respect for the ideas presented. I've excercised my freedoms; I still see Chris as more than free enough to exercise his.

For there to be a "danger" here, if you can all it that without laughing, every step of the process has to be handled by a retard. A Linden has to go and make sure they're stomping on an abuser, and not stifling someone's artistic freedom. If a few babies get thrown out with this 10 million gallons of bathwater, then that would be a shame, but it's a small risk in a 100% necessary process.

Thats good cause my store is still just a giant block, I am still working on a design that has curves but I will not release it until it looks the way I want it to... I have taken my land off sale (used my high price only to advertise my store in another way) just to avoid the AR rush of the next few weeks.

But to paraphrase an old quote... my building my be ugly but it wont be ugly tomorrow (some very unspecified tomorrow but a tomorrow just the same)

i could not agree more, this is a very very sad day for everyone who loves freedom.

The removal of personal property rights should sadden everyone but those ignorant vegatibles will be quick to tell you 'ignorance is bliss'

Absolutely, nobody is stopping anyone from buying a region and filling it with the biggest pile of crap they can dream up.

Just don't expect to be able to rent it

A case of 'shitting your own bed' perhaps...

I think Chris has always been consistent in his beliefs and I respect that. I believe he's being a tad melodramatic this time, but his point is clear. If you read his post, he's not even really coming out against the new policy, although I suspect he has strong opinions about it. What he specifically argued against was people's response to the new policy, which was to go ad-farm hunting and AR anything that looked even remotely like advertising. Not everyone here did that, so don't get angry with that statement. Bradley, for instance, even came in and sought advice about what was extortion and what wasn't.

A number of people have posted that this policy is about intent and not aesthetics. Intent is always difficult to prove unless it's stated. However, flooding LL with ridiculous numbers of AR's, AR'ing ugly builds, AR'ing all advertising, etc. gets us nowhere and potentially causes a great deal of harm. LL is going to have to sort through an insane number of AR's to get to the legitimate ones. They might just abandon the whole mess. They might start applying stricter standards than we want just to get through the workload, or they might start applying inconsistent standards as they get frustrated. I think a better approach is to AR the egregious examples only, and then as those start to be dealt with, work down to the less egregious ones until we find a baseline for what is considered extortion.

At any rate, I don't believe we should beat up on Chris here. Like I said, he's always been consistent, and you can't really reasonably disagree with his point that governance by an angry mob is not good for anyone. Taking a slower, reasoned approach to this problem is a much better strategy.

I would consider resetting the land for sale, if only to prove that the new system works. I would be shocked if anyone AR's you.

Well when some abuse their personal property rights to the point where there is a joint outcry from a large number of residents - then daddy has to step in and make everyone play nice.

I hate it when a post I agree with ends up at the bottom of the page then somebody else posts quickly, causing the post I like to get potentially lost..

/me QFTs

I would suggest to you that someone who filed over 1100 ARs yesterday on Adfarms most likely has the "retard" part covered on the reporters side down pat.

Which is why I suggest that it's not a danger, because the Linden at the other end probably isn't a retard. There are checks and balances here.

The "freedom fighters" are acting like every AR will immediately result in the censoring of an innocent victim. The drama and overexaggeration in this is just unbelievable.

I would add that this problem is so terrible and so omnipresent in SL, that I find it completely believable that the person in question found 1100 legitimate abuses. He's probably not a retard at all; he just has a lot more time on his hands than you or I do.

/me scratches his head. Uh, who said they filed over 1100 ARs yesterday?

Indeed.

I don't expect we'll see very many a) innocent people who were caught up wrongly in a misfiled AR, or b) guilty people who know they were in the wrong and have been caught, posting here over the next few weeks.

There's plenty on the police blotter of 'warnings issued' ... yet not one person has come here and said that they got hit in it.

How does setting the land for sale advertise the store?

If the idea is to get the eyeballs of people who are shopping for land, then that would be to be deliberately misleading.
If the idea is to get traffic, then ditto.
If the idea is to manipulate Search ranking, ditto.

I wish that the $ icon would appear over every yellow plot on the map, and brought up the price & area when clicked.
It's extremely irritating to TP into a plot that is yellow in Map in an interesting location, but has a price set that obviously indicates it's not really for sale.

I always sent bad karma to people who do that.

Its possible poopmaster was trying to contaminate the process ..