Good Child Skins

Yeah,to me,all the "Adult" content is the reason the metaverse failed,and i wouldn't even blink if one day all the "Adult" stuff like beds were to disappear,because there is much more to SL than "adult" content.

Agreed.


Also agreed. Generally.

I'm not advocating going on witch hunts for sexual ageplay either; I just wish we had a fuller and more accurate picture. Intelligent debate becomes rather difficult in the absence of information, and we seem to have precious little of that, the interesting chart that Mari provides notwithstanding. It may be one reason why this debate becomes so acrimonious: in the absence of fact, we find ourselves relying more on "instinct," ideology, and emotion. I also think that the debate IS valid, not because I am convinced that there is a major problem with sexual ageplay in SL, but just because the issue IS so important. I just wish these debates could be more . . . constructive.

Thousands of people are eaten by dragons every year. You just don't hear about them because the victims never bother to file reports; therefore there are no statistics to support my claim - any more than the statistics support your improper/not-filed claims. As the old saying goes, "paperwork, or it never happened."Was it, really? Since you seem to be so up on pedophilia statistics, what were the number of sexual ageplay instances *before* the ban took place? What percentage of the total population of the grid at the time was that number?

Even if your numbers were true and not distorted, and there really *was* action taken against 180 instances of sexual ageplay in the last 30+ months, let's explore that number a second: Assuming an average population of over a million residents over the last 30 months, that means that only 0.018% of the population was engaged in sexual ageplay. That means that SL is 99.982% free of sexual ageplay activities! And you call that a "miserable failure"?

Now, by your very own admission, sexual ageplay is currently *banned* in Second Life. Period. Given that, what possible good would it do to institute another ban on top of the first? Do you seriously believe that the segment of our population who are flouting the existing ban going to suddenly cease and desist just because a *second* ban is overlaid on the first? Do you *really* think that banning child avatars is going to drop the number of sexual ageplay offenses to zero? If so, then we need to talk, because I have a huge real estate deal for you!Here is where you are wrong in a big, big way. NOBODY "piled on" anyone asking this question. This thread had absolutely NOTHING to do with sexual ageplay. It started off with a simple request for decent child skins. It was your ilk that piled onto this thread and derailed it. Get it straight! I guarantee you that if you posted into a random Gorean thread talking about how everyone who roleplays Gor are pedophiles and closet perverts, it would not be pretty.

Great post Marianne..That is soo much more informative than hearing some number just Tossed out there with no real information..

Um, yeah. I'll second that . . .

/me rubs a few old scars.

But then, I think Lias was just being funny?

ETA: I think, in hindsight, I should make it clear that I have never actually "posted into a random Gorean thread talking about how everyone who roleplays Gor are pedophiles and closet perverts." Just for the record.

First inacurracy - Tyche, I believe, in fact is a SHE.

Next inaccuracy - as pretty as all the charts in the document are, they do not prove very much at all. They are only based on what LL GTeam chose to publish, and they don't publish every actioned incident report, just enough to keep the residents pacified.

This topic will rumble on and on and on. I hope the OP finds some nice skins btw.

Upon what do you base that?

I'll correct on the gender of the person in question. I agree with you wholeheartedly about the issue with the source -- simply felt it worth eyeballing given the 180 (sic.) number was brought up. Note that I did not offer an opinion either way on the data beyond a suspicion on the cause of the larger data from earlier times.

So true..there is soo much more that SL offers than it's sex industry..
Myself i love to make things..Not really to sell them or anything..In fact most times nobody ever see's much of what i make but the ones that come and watch me work..

Mainly because i charged for my work for a short period before and it drained my creativity..It turned into a job rather than a love..So i make them and tear them down after taking pictures of them..
There is a whole world of things out there..

The sex world is a small part of it..The only reason it looks so big to some people is because that is where they hang the most..
I did as well for a good part of my Sl ..I thought it was huge too at that time..Once i got away from it i saw just how big SL really was and how small the other was..it was like being newb again seeing how much more it really had to offer..

ya i'm sure they didn't mention those that went out hunting and ARing in groups either so i'm sure it evened out.

I certainly agree that pedophilia is a real problem in real life, one that really needs to be addressed. But this isn't the correct context for that. There are no children in SL's main grid (in theory - bear with me here). Therefore the application of pedophilia issues are simply not relevant in a purely adult-only context. These arguments would bear more weight on the Teen grid -- but LL has that one locked down quite tightly.

You're welcome. At the least, it is best to know the background behind a number.

And for the 800th time, ranting about costume skins is NOT 'feminism,' any more than ranting about child avs is somehow saving RL children. All you've done is damage your own credibility.

/me waves to Ceka!

It's an interesting index of how diverse SL is, that it is possible to have such different impressions based on the particularity of one's perspective.

I have said before here that I think some people have an inflated notion of how "big" or "important" the "sex industry" is in SL. I was months in SL before I realized the sorts of sims that were out there, or understood that dancing poles were more than just a mere occasional novelty item in oddball clubs. For all I know, the crowd I hung with was spending half of their time at BDSM clubs or strip bars, but I think, generally, the "adult sim" figured fairly insubstantially in the SL experience of my friends. (Although, I should note that I have two friends who own a strip club, and a couple of others who worked there, so maybe I was just in denial . . .)

On the other hand, I was hit on by a sleazeball within my first hour in SL. So I never had any illusions about the relative importance of "sex," taken generically, here. But an awful lot of the sex that was going on between my friends was, I think, either in the privacy of their own homes, or even more privately within IMs, with no pose balls at all associated.

LOL

Well, thanks for that entirely gratuitous and largely irrelevant aside, Ann.

I think I'll worry about my own credibility, ok?

let alone in a thread about skins..myself i just can't take them serious anymore because it's never really ever a debate..i mean these threads turn into 80 to 100 page threads of saying th e same thing over and over..
we already know what is gonna be said in them..we all know who the players are and just about what they are gonna say in reply to what we may say..

so when someone attacks now especially in some thread like this where someone is looking for a skin ..the only thing left is sarcasm and giggles to try to show how silly it is to keep bringing this to child sexual age play up..in my opinion one side is sooo serious on attacking that i'm just gonna go to the other extreme to even out the playing field LOL
Cause when they lock the thread it all goes down the drain anyways..hehehe

I live at a nude beach on an adult sim with my two friends LOL
They keep pulling me back in!!!! heheheheeh

Well, again, I largely agree with you. I suspect that the instances of real paedophilia on the main grid are next to zilch.

But I don't think sexual ageplay need necessarily be only "real paedophilia." Representations of paedophilia -- NOT involving real children at all -- are still problematic in some views (including mine) because there is documented evidence that the use of "extreme" pornography can, in some cases, lead to an escalation in behaviour. In other words, that "playing out" a fantasy in SL can conceivably lead, eventually, to real paedophilia.

The research is not black-and-white; it never is. But it's a legitimate worry. And I would add to that the "message" that is being sent to potential paedophiles by a sort of laissez-faire attitude towards their virtual activities.

So I think this is a legitimate topic of conversation. In a thread on child skins? Maybe not. And it IS a bit disheartening the way that the words "child avatar" are a kind of lightning rod for contention.

Just say NO to nude beaches, Ceka!!!

Or not.

actually i live about 2000 meters up where i build and they are making the nude beach..
..we like the nude beaches..i always have really..i think it's cause i love skinny dipping in my creek in my back yard..yes i live in the country..and i have a beautiful huge flagstone creek that runs through my land..nothing feel s better on a 100 degree day than laying in that creek and the water cooling you off...
Why they like nudes beaches i have no idea..i never asked hehehehe

Anyways!!! ya they keep pulling me under..i mean back in!!

I have a terrible confession to make . . . I've never been to a nude beach. In RL or SL.

We actually have one not far from where I live, but this is Canada, right? And even in the heat of summer, Lake Ontario is . . . brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Try a dollification sim one day. (^_^)

They stick wires, springs, and latex into you against your will! (O.o)

Kind of like plastic surgeons in RL?

(Except there, you pay through the -- beautifully reshaped -- nose for the privilege!)

As are the verifiable instances of sexual ageplay. With an average of one incident a month, it's probably as low as it can go no matter what measures are taken against it.

The proposed stifling of free expression in Second Life from the anti-child avatar contingent is also a legitimate concern for discussion.

I don't have close neighbors..it's just me and my BF..my family lives on the rest of the road..my creek is far enough to where i can ride my horse back there..if we know it's gonna be a hot day the next day ..we'll just ride the horses to work and then on the way home hit the creek for sometimes an hour depending hehehehe..then when we are done relaxing and cooled off we'll just ride up to the house unsaddle the horses at the gate.. the horses even though they have been lose all day will act like we just set them free and will romp and stomp..
Bleh..i'm rambling..sorry i just get going and can't stop hehehe