Good Child Skins

Robin Linden's first 2007 response to virtual pedophilia in SL was denial. After the reporter reported more instances and more media got involved Robin changed her dismissive stance on virtual pedophilia in SL and then LL penned their flimsy sanction of child avatars which is failing miserably today.

You're deliberately taking a statement about REAL pedophilia and twisting it to support your agenda. Stop it. It's not fooling anyone.

I'm curious..has there been a flood of child avatars in zindra since the big move over there?
This is actually a serious question..
i just remember there being a lot of fear about it since that one party..hows it going over there..i don't get there much myself..

Madeline and Decca:

A not-unfriendly suggestion. If you want to discuss this issue, and have some credibility, you need to do some work. Real work: you need to become informed about your subject. What I am hearing from you both is real concern and engagement with the subject, but not much except emotional responses and ill-informed conjecture about the role of child avs in SL and the numbers of those engaged in sexual ageplay.

You need to start doing some research, and documenting things. It's what I spend a fair amount of my time in-world doing, actually, and it's not much fun, but without a clearer sense of what is REALLY happening on the grid, you aren't going to be taken any more seriously than you have been here. In a real argument, passion and conviction help, but they need to be backed up with facts.

*shrugs* I honestly figure if SL was such a big lure for the pedophiles, then law enforcement would have it staked out and we'd be hearing RL busts because of it. I can't see any of the news agencies turning up their noses at "Child Porn Ring Busted in Second Life," do you?

That's not to say there isn't a law enforcement person staking it out. I wouldn't know and honestly, not sure I'd be worried about it if I did. I just don't think that they would stake out the main grid. That's not where the vast majority of the easier prey kids are. They're on the TEEN grid. The one that Mommy and Daddy feel "safe" to let their kid on. And that the kid feels "safe" on. And unfortunately, "safe" means that someone lets their guard down...

If I was law enforcement, that's were I'd put my stakes. That's where RL kids are likeliest to get RL hurt.

Honestly, if I thought it'd help law enforcement, I'd go hopping around as an main grid SL kid and act as bait. And doing it by simply acting as a kid. Non-sexual, playing dolls, skipping rope kid.

And no, I don't think child avatars simply existing "enables" pedophilia any more than violent video games "enable" violence. I think it's a mentally disturbed mind that "enables" such behaviors. People use things like child avatars and violent video games to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions and choices.

For the record, I will AR any one breaking the sexual ageplay rules, be they adult or child avatars. Heck, if I saw RL child porn images in SL, I'd be contacting the RL law enforcement, as well as ARing.

This.

wow it doesn't sound too flimsy to me..sounds like they would lose everything..
* Termination of accounts
* Closure of groups
* Removal of content
* Loss of land or access to land

Failing miserably would be the way gaming the search prevention is failing..
it's in our face everyday..
i've been here 3 years and haven't came a crossed one child avatar having sex with anyone.. trust me when i go exploring i go all over no matter the content.. if this was failing miserably i would have noticed by now LOL

I have to wonder where are you guys hanging out that you see so much of this stuff

no it took thought ..i just flew over your head is why you think it's silly LOL..

let me explain it to you..
you were disgusted that two pedos may engage in their little fantasy of whatever the heck it is they do with each other..
grasping it yet or no..probably not..
so lets take those two pedos that have found each other..those two adult pedos..omg you are engaging in acts of pedos..no they are not..they are two adults staying away from children..
the fact that a pedo can only be an adult would mean what? that a child can't ..following so far??
so you come in calling child avatars pedos..remove child avatars and there will be no more pedos..LOL
Reeeeely!!
Dakota had said..lets just remove adult avatars since they would actually represent a pedo..
picking up on the sarcasm yet ?
well this is the part i liked about it..get rid of the adult avatars and we'll get rid of what represents a pedo..can't help you didn't get the punchline to the joke LOL

now why haven't i added much to this thread in the way of actually getting serious about it..because it's been done more times than i can remember and it's nothing more than a joke..i have heard all you drama queens go on about how you want everyone to have their SL shifted to your liking because you watched one too many news casts or went to the sheriffs site and had the crap scared out of you because you saw how many pedos are in your town living on your street..

Been there and done that ..you missed this train about two threads ago..you are not saying anything that hasn't been said before..i'm just tired of repeating to someone that just got at the starting gate..so if i don't take you serious you'll know why from here on out..I'd give ya a linden bear for sitting through this but i'm fresh out LOL

Ceka you consistantly participate in these threads but you pretend not to remember any details that any posters shared. One OP spoke about having a very adult sexual private island and having several child avatar ARs with chatlogs she sent to LL. She was suprised to see these people's names still in search. The harsh punishment LL promised is not happening.

And about the lost of land and closing of groups: A group was shut down by LL because of their constant virtual pedophilia. The security captain of that group's land bought a island and invited all of the members from the disbanded group into his new group. These same people who were willing members of a group labeled a virtual pedophilia group are now members of a private islang group that is a nude beach for child avatars and adult avatars.

So LL is not exactly lowering the boom on this sort of activity. Just scattering them and allowing them to re-group elsewhere on the grid.

You asserted this before, and were challenged by a member of the group, in the same thread where you said children aren't allowed in RL nudist facilities. You really pissed off some RL nudists with your complete and utter twaddle. You have been caught routinely making stuff like this up. You have completely failed to acknowledge, let alone apologize for, your behavior. You are not, in conclusion, a reliable source of information.

Someone told me Argent is posting something but I have him muted because he just spends time throwing out insults, jpegs and attempts to debunk anything anyone says that he does not agree with. He adds nothing to the conversation - just takes the post above his and complains about it. He offers nothing I see as relevant. And the more I respond to him the more verbally abusive he becomes. Not worth the effort.

Interesting. I suppose, someone so clearly empassioned and obsessed as you are with this issue, a voice of reason can be painful.

By the way: Nude != sex. One does not have to have sex just because one is nude, and one does not need to be nude to have great sex.

Ceka, this is also something discussed in threads you participated in this year. Linden Lab was forced to not agree with your decision to allow the pedos to act out their fantasies in Secondlife. I know of no public platform with such a policy.

Why get rid of adult avatars on a adult server? The logical deterrent to child avatars engaging in this behavior is getting rid of the child avatars.

And I believe you can have the conversation with that poster without relying upon silly insults.

A few pages back you said you were no longer responding to my posts. I find it better to be consistant than to just 'go after people' to up your post count or whatever it is that motivates you.

which thread..was it one of the 80 page threads or one of the 100 page threads that i am supposed to remember that post? this dead horse has been kicked so much that it's almost impossible to remember any one thing someone was talking about in those past threads..It's really become something i just don't take serious because of lack of proof that there is this huge issue that needs to be addressed..

as far as what i was referring to..i wasn't talking about things people had discussed in the thread Lias ..i was talking about in my personal adventures in SL that i had not come a crossed anything like that..
i would have AR'd it if i had..i have one Ar i have ever made and it wasn't anything to do with sexual age play.. but ya i am in these threads..i had thought this one went tame but it seemed to come back to life again..
just can't take them serious anymore..i just hate that anytime someone says the word child anything that it turns to this direction..


Everyone was worried about this big flood of child avatars going to zindra..thats what rekindled all of this..yet nobody has seen a flood and still here we are...
but it's not about zindra anymore because that nightmare never happened..so now it's all over sl and flooding the whole grid..
am i supposed to believe this one now too?seriously..there is all this smoke but there isn't a fire to go with it..

If there was this huge problem i would have came past it in my travels at some point..
i'm in world enough and it just isn't happening from where i stand and look..

So i figure those rules are probably doing a pretty good job of keeping down that sort of thing..
I'm against anyone that would partake in breaking those rules..i'll be the first one in line to file the AR..but i also have some good common sense and know darn well that just because some people may break the rules that they all don't..you want to clump a certain group in saying they all do then go right ahead..
i refuse to be tricked into a pregidous outloook .. I deal with those types all the time and i sure won't turn into one..

When i start hearing a group out to take out a whole other group of people i start to wonder who the salesman was..they shouldn't be in sl they should be out making a great living selling cars to all those people that don't know about cars..or maybe a cult..they may be good at getting a bunch of people out there to start up another church waiting for that big spaceship in the sky to come take them all back to this planet they really never came from as they hand over everything they have made at their jobs LOL

What will this accomplish, exactly?

I couldn't really care less about my post count. They could reset it and it wouldn't make a difference to me. And, yes, I did say that. But then I got bored and changed my mind.

Lias as i said before ..it was meant as humor..i mean you have seen me in those other threads..do i really sound like i am taking this crap serious anymore..
I wear an adult avatar all the time..i was being sarcastic..

i was getting a giggle at how it was worded when they were talking about two pedos coming together..all i could picture is two grown men saying show me yours and i'll show you mine LOL
sure i don't want pedos in SL but i sure don't want them around my nephew either..
and if you read the rules you know as well as i do that you don't have to look like a child to be considered breaking the rules of age play..so getting rid of child avatars would really do nothing at all ..they will find a way..so as i said before ..they are not going to be going anywhere because it's not seen as a problem..
I'm gonna have to agree that it's not..

i seriously hope you don't spend tons of your SL looking for this sort of thing..to me that would not be much fun..but it's your SlL so who am i to say what is fun and what isn't for someone

my father always told me it was a good idea to always speak the language of others as often as you can to keep the misunderstandings at a minimum..

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Does anyone here have a guinea pig? I will be getting one soon and need to know if there is anything special I need to know.

I have seen it once on my friend's island (he was gullible enough to allow 'families' there and then had to report and ban them), and the reports in blogs xstreet forum and this forum.

Also disturbing how when folks try to share these experiences here, the same individuals start posting telling them what they know happened didn't happened. And then the personal attacks, character assasinations and then you all begin to derail while insisting upon a lock. It is so unnecessary to treat the posters like that.

Are there any skin tutorials for Gimp rather than Photoshop? The earlier link is cool but not looking to add another program atm.

Feed them so they won't die.

Thanks Brenda...