What wishes would you like SL's content creators to grant this Christmas?
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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11-26-2008 18:28
Ralekrta yep.. I know what you mean it is so hard to please everyone.. I am slowly going to be switching everything to copy/mod in the store seems that is the most popular choice
Marybeth I have seen skirts like you described, even have some in my store. (not everywhere is slutwear LOL)
also the hair... I can not remember who it was, but I have seen scripted hair that allows you to wear it up or down (just by clicking on it)
I am sure someone will know who makes it (I keep thinking something about a mermaid)
my xmas wish is more towards consumers than creators....
I wish, when folks say they love something you are making and can't wait to get a copy, actually follow through with it... it is disheartening to have someone praise your work, and ask to me notified when it is released, and they never bother to buy it.... (and it is not like it changes drastically from when they see it to when it is released) not sure why folks do that.... (often makes me wonder if they are just being nice and do not want to say they do not like it, in hopes you won't remember)
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11-26-2008 18:40
Not quite a content creator wish more of a de-creator wish and that is for all of those annoying bloodlines huds to just suddenly stop working and even better would be if the creator got banned but that's probably too much to ask for.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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11-26-2008 18:45
From: Gordon Wendt Not quite a content creator wish more of a de-creator wish and that is for all of those annoying bloodlines huds to just suddenly stop working and even better would be if the creator got banned but that's probably too much to ask for. amen!! reminds me, does anyone know if there is something that can be put on your land to disable them, much like how the mysti tool has the sleep thing? (in this case I want the ability for scripts to stay on... just turn that damn thing off)
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Marybeth Cooperstone
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11-26-2008 18:56
From: Rhaorth Antonelli Marybeth I have seen skirts like you described, even have some in my store. (not everywhere is slutwear LOL) Rhaorth, Thanks. I will have to visit your store. It is not that I don't wear short skirts. In RL and SL I have shorter casual dresses and short pants. But when something is labeled "business" or "professional" suit, the skirt should be a bit longer and the blouse should meet the skirt. I may show my navel on the beach or in the park, but not in the office. From: Rhaorth Antonelli also the hair... I can not remember who it was, but I have seen scripted hair that allows you to wear it up or down (just by clicking on it)
I am sure someone will know who makes it (I keep thinking something about a mermaid)
I would be very interested in that hair! Thanks, Mary
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Ralektra Breda
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11-26-2008 19:06
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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11-26-2008 19:08
From: Marybeth Cooperstone Rhaorth, Thanks. I will have to visit your store. It is not that I don't wear short skirts. In RL and SL I have shorter casual dresses and short pants. But when something is labeled "business" or "professional" suit, the skirt should be a bit longer and the blouse should meet the skirt. I may show my navel on the beach or in the park, but not in the office.
I would be very interested in that hair! Thanks, Mary ahhh I see what you mean they label it business but it is much too short for what is considered business I thought you meant you could not find any LOL NATALIE!! That is the name of the person who does the scripted hair.. (I think) don't remember the last name though
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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11-26-2008 19:09
AHA!! there ya go, yep .. I thought natalie... but could not remember the rest, that sounded right I think you have the right one... I spelled it wrong but I was close hehe ty
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11-26-2008 19:12
From: Czari Zenovka The Mystitool has that feature  And my BijoRewind does it with a browser-style interface on the HUD. You can get a free trial from my cycling ads at NCI 
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11-27-2008 05:55
From: Marybeth Cooperstone I would like skirts, either separate or with business suites, with hemlines below the knee. All that I have seen or bought are above the knee. In my work most women, when wearing skirted suites, have hems a few inches below the knee.
Mary I'm seeing quite a few designers now who offer business suits with that hemline. I can't recall the names of the stores, I either have seen them in passing or in XStreet SL. OHhh, wait...let me think...try Industrielle (I think the store still goes by that name). She had some nice vintage as well as business attire last I was there. I'm not in world but I think her name is spelled Irelynn Christensen (or Christenson). Also perhaps a search through XStreet and all search for "women's business suits." ETA: First name is Irelyn (one n)
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11-27-2008 07:23
From: Porky Gorky I would like a penis for christmas please. I've been here for years now and mine still hasnt grown! I've watered it, slapped on some miracle grow but nothing! I've still got less going on than an action man!
Where is my NOB santa? Hahaha. I took one this horribly made freebie penis and put a bow on it once. I even got a newbie to walk around with it in Ahern.
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Maelstrom Janus
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11-27-2008 07:35
...that creators of all kinds of objects from houses to furniture to vehicles included the textures they used or the names of their textures and where they could be obtained... if I want to put my own name (for example the name of a boat) or text (signs for example) on any object it would be nice to have the texture to export to paintshop or whatever to be able to make my own modicfication....
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11-27-2008 07:36
also that creators of impressive avvy's like animals , dinosaurs and robots made it esy to assemble their avvys for display purposes (ie without being worn)....
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11-27-2008 07:38
From: Maelstrom Janus ...that creators of all kinds of objects from houses to furniture to vehicles included the textures they used or the names of their textures and where they could be obtained... if I want to put my own name (for example the name of a boat) or text (signs for example) on any object it would be nice to have the texture to export to paintshop or whatever to be able to make my own modicfication.... umm somehow, dear, I don't think Santa will be bringing that
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11-27-2008 07:41
From: Ralektra Breda umm
somehow, dear, I don't think Santa will be bringing that stingy old santa I hope his reindeer go on strike.....
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Limonella Sorbet
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11-27-2008 15:19
From: Skell Dagger It's happened to most of us. Ladies, ever tried putting a belt from one outfit with a skirt from another, only to have your prim skirt vanish? Which is why, always wear glitch pants when changing in public - or fly up really high in the air, if you dont have a changing room yet.  The attachment-point debacle that bothers me is one I don't understand, because it's so preventable and predictable. Especially when making *ladies'* hats, why do so many hat makers make the head the attachment point? As in, where our avatars also attach their HAIR? Lol. I've had to re-work many a hat, especially freebie ones (which, I can accept somewhat more, since it may have been made by someone just beginning to learn, or in a hurry, or intended as a quick or gag gift, that got into the populace). If it attaches at the head, it makes the av bald. So I make it attach at the nose, then edit it until it is in place. I don't do piercings on my av, so that makes sense to me. Chims and other things often attach at the chin, and fake lashes attach usually at the eyes I think, so I avoid those points. I don't get upset with content creators for using what attachment points make sense to them at the time, they can't predict how someone might mix and match other things with it, in future. That's just me. As for what I'd like them to make - just as many, and as varied, holiday items as possible. No limits on imagination in SL, right? Also to include other than Christmas items. Although I celebrate Christmas it's nice to see Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, even secular 'holiday' items, for people also. One wish I do have, though is a prim Christmas tree, NOT a paper one. But I am going to try to make one myself...with glowing lights! 
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Limonella Sorbet
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11-27-2008 15:41
From: Rhaorth Antonelli every so often we see a thread that pertains to the "what layers should I include"
and it is always a mixed response some love having ALL layers, others dislike it some say, too many layers, too much junk to wade through and toss what I do not use, others say without the additional layers they usually pass it up
I think it's great you're willing to customise things, but yeh I usually hesitate to contact a content creator unless it's something I want very badly... As for the layers or not to layers dilemma, maybe CC'ers could offer both options for the same price, in their shop. A poster can already offer a fat pack, single colors, and a demo, why not 'many attachment options' or 'few'. I dunno. The idea might need some tweaking...but for complex outfits it might be worth it? For things such as a corset which could be worn either way, or that are nice to layer, it's nice to have the option built in, I think. With a corset there is only 1 item in the folder anyhow. *shrug*
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Ralektra Breda
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11-27-2008 19:25
From: Limonella Sorbet I think it's great you're willing to customise things, but yeh I usually hesitate to contact a content creator unless it's something I want very badly...
As for the layers or not to layers dilemma, maybe CC'ers could offer both options for the same price, in their shop. A poster can already offer a fat pack, single colors, and a demo, why not 'many attachment options' or 'few'. I dunno. The idea might need some tweaking...but for complex outfits it might be worth it?
For things such as a corset which could be worn either way, or that are nice to layer, it's nice to have the option built in, I think. With a corset there is only 1 item in the folder anyhow. *shrug* Each option requires yet another prim to house it. If I offer a dress in 3 colors, that is 4 prim (mainboard and 3 color packs). If I offer the same dress in 3 colors with optional transfer, that becomes 7 prims. If I offer the same dress in 3 colors with optional transfer and optional attachment points, that becomes...well, you get the idea. We often have a limited amount of space (prims) to work with and this all gets costly (spacewise). One lovely thing I have seen was an outfit on a mainboard, with each component packaged and sold separately (so if all you want is the corset and skirt for example, that's all you buy). That was really nice but prim heavy, fine if you own a whole sim but lots of us have prim limits...as much as I would love to sell outfits that way (and someday I might) right now I just can't.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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11-27-2008 19:37
From: Ralektra Breda Each option requires yet another prim to house it. If I offer a dress in 3 colors, that is 4 prim (mainboard and 3 color packs). If I offer the same dress in 3 colors with optional transfer, that becomes 7 prims. If I offer the same dress in 3 colors with optional transfer and optional attachment points, that becomes...well, you get the idea. We often have a limited amount of space (prims) to work with and this all gets costly (spacewise).
One lovely thing I have seen was an outfit on a mainboard, with each component packaged and sold separately (so if all you want is the corset and skirt for example, that's all you buy). That was really nice but prim heavy, fine if you own a whole sim but lots of us have prim limits...as much as I would love to sell outfits that way (and someday I might) right now I just can't. I like those mix and match things like that, but as you said, prim heavy as a content creator it is very very difficult to please everyone, no matter what you offer, or how you offer it (short of full perm) someone will find something about it that bugs them (be it the permissions, the attachmentpoints, layers, or whatnot) on a side note, I found a really neat script on the script forums (old script) that is used for gifting no transfer items... the person would buy the gift box, which is transfer, and give it to whomever, then the person who it was intended for, will rez it and type /redeem and the item then gets sent to them I thought it was a really neat idea and plan to implement it for my no xfer stuff (starting with the jewelry) still debating how to set them up (for one or two items, simple enough, have a giftbox next to the item with a sign, to buy the gift to give it to someone else...) but... for a lot of items, the prims will add up fast, so was thinking.. putting them in a vendor...
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Limonella Sorbet
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11-27-2008 19:38
Oh. That makes perfect sense. Thanks for explaining it.
Maybe in certain cases then it's best to put options in one folder - for instance a shop that has corset available to wear under or over clothes. (jacket or undershirt) That is still only 2 items in the folder so it's a nice option for a customer. Another shop puts all the color packs in one sale, which is nice, although I understand not everyone can break even that way (it isn't a fatpack but normal packaging).
I can see where, if it's a matter of attachment points for convenience sake though and not wearability as much, or other secondary concerns, it would become unmanageable. (Outfits with several items included already)
Oh, while Im at it - someone upthread asked for a nice business suit. I saw one at Lemania - the 'hard to be a newbie' shop in the corner of her sim. It covers the tum, and it's $1L I think, and stylish. La Perla also had a nice business suit for $5L. I know there are others out there...I too look for those things, to walk around in. Non clubby clothes.
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11-27-2008 19:55
From: Limonella Sorbet Oh. That makes perfect sense. Thanks for explaining it.
Maybe in certain cases then it's best to put options in one folder - for instance a shop that has corset available to wear under or over clothes. (jacket or undershirt) That is still only 2 items in the folder so it's a nice option for a customer. and even then, putting too many options turns folks off as well as mentioned by a couple people at least, they hate getting stuff on multiple layers.... as I said, can not please everyone 
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Limonella Sorbet
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11-27-2008 20:28
True - but if it's only 1 or 2 total items and pleases a large number of people, the other ones can suck a lemon. Heh. Er...customer is king? Yeh.  Only kidding. Dear SL Santa. Please can shops stop boxing every item. I have spent hours unboxing, renaming folders so I know what the outfits actually look like, and then sorting them into folders by category. It's either that, or end up with heaps of mystery items... Buying unboxed items is suuuch a relief. It cuts out one of those very laborious steps. Ok, not laborious if one or two items. But an inventory of thousands of items? That's a sizeable chunk of my SL time right there. (Please, don't tell me it's a prim problem in shops too? Cos I'm not lisnin'. Lalalalala....) 
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11-27-2008 20:35
From: Limonella Sorbet True - but if it's only 1 or 2 total items and pleases a large number of people, the other ones can suck a lemon. Heh. Er...customer is king? Yeh.  Only kidding. the thing is it is not only 1 or 2 pieces (sure your example was) however here is an example I had awhile back... I was making a strip tease shirt, which consisted of ... left side open, right side open, both open, and a closed version, all on shirt layer.... however the shirt is a long shirt, so it is also on the jacket layer...but some folks like to wear it tucked in so it is also on the underwear layer.... but some folks like to wear their lower tattoos so it is also on the pants layer (and I did a version with built in panties as well)... get the picture? as for the boxed items, in some situations they need to be boxed. I have the metacard system at my store (and yes people do use the credit card to shop) and things have to be boxed for it to work without loss of any options. some folks use vendors, things need to be boxed to be sold via a vendor although I do agree it is nice buying stuff that auto goes to a folder... saw something neat that I am considering adding to my stuff when you wore the item (ie just wear attaches to hand) the box auto unpacked into your inventory.. I thought that was neat, and am gonna see if I can script it, should not be hard to do, just give items when attached... heh imagine this with a dress with different ways of wearing it... in some situations it adds up to a LOT of layers, trying to please everyone
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11-27-2008 21:03
Just for the record, I like things in as many layers as possible. If someone doesn't want to have so many options, they can toss out the extra layers, right?
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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11-27-2008 21:15
From: Roisin Hotaling Just for the record, I like things in as many layers as possible. If someone doesn't want to have so many options, they can toss out the extra layers, right? that is what one would think, but the impression I have gotten from the comments, is that they just do not bother to purchase it because they do not want to sort through the stuff (I could be wrong though, it is easy to misunderstand things when it is in text)
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Limonella Sorbet
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11-27-2008 21:21
From: Rhaorth Antonelli the thing is it is not only 1 or 2 pieces (sure your example was) Yep, a corset, and one of the corsets available had 2 kinds included. One undershirt layer and one jacket layer. So, 2 items. No biggie. In your example, all I can say is, wow, are you accomodating! I think I'd do one type, and put a sign in the shop saying, if they need an adjustment to it, to notecard the creator (name on the sign, not all ppl know how to click edit/properties yet and not all shops have a name visible). From: someone although I do agree it is nice buying stuff that auto goes to a folder... saw something neat that I am considering adding to my stuff
when you wore the item (ie just wear attaches to hand) the box auto unpacked into your inventory.. I thought that was neat, and am gonna see if I can script it, should not be hard to do, just give items when attached... I saw something like that in a freebie shop and I could never get the hang of it...something about rezzing a card/box onto my hand reminded me of my "oops!" newbie days. But some people do like those. All I can say is, I am muy grateful to any shop where I don't have to go home and unbox a long list of items later...kind of a dis-incentive so to speak. Given a choice I will choose a shop where it unpacks into my inventory by itself. Some type of practical name on the folder is also IMMENSELY appreciated - so much easier to sort and search. I've taken to renaming things but I didn't think of that at first...all those little things are just handier.
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