I think the Pugsley reference is apt, and the Count von Count: Kid avatars playing a humorous, campy vampire or over-the-top sinister teen shouldn't offend anybody's sensibilities.
Now, I must confess that I find "vampire" to be one of the funniest words in the English language. I just can't think of vampires without giggling: it's all just so supremely silly. The Anne Rice books and Lestat movies are just laff-fests from beginning to end for me. So in my case, "campy vampire" is totally redundant--but this doesn't seem to be a universal perception. And that's where problems may arise.
Apparently some folks find some aspect of the vampire mythology romantic and/or sexual, not just comedic. So for those people, a vampire child AV could be problematic. That's not to say that the child AV shouldn't be allowed to appear in vampire form, but rather that some people with a vampire fetish could be made uncomfortable by it. There's no point trying to avoid all fetishes--I'm sure there's somebody out there who's compelled to arousal by fishing poles and jeans with knee patches--but it's my sense that it's relatively common to respond to the vampire thing with something other than the nonstop hilarity it triggers for me.
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Qie Niangao
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07-25-2008 04:42
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Marianne McCann
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07-25-2008 04:48
Seeing as it is child AV question day on the forums today, here is one I have been wondered about for a bit. Would it be wrong to play a Vampire Child? Would LL consider it a problem? Consider that there would be no sex involved, just straight child-like innocence with vampirism thrown in. ...then there's no issue. There was a vampire kid who attended HardKnock Elementary a year or so ago. 'course, some special accommodations hadda be made f'r her. Not a lotta outside play (she did use an very opaque umbrella if she had to be out there). and it made lunchtime kinda interesting (especially that day she forgot to being her packed lunch an hadda find some small animals to eat f'r lunch). One of the most "SL moments" I ever had, though, was observing her and her daddy one night by the school. Here's mister prince of darkness, sittin on a park bench while his pretty dark princess skips about on the playground like any other kid. So no, nuttin wrong as far as I see. With LL, it's not the identity, it's the action. If a vampire kid is just a vampire kid, then no harm no foul. Edited to add: I'm actually fairly familiar with the vampire mythos, and know there is a sexual subtext. It doesn't take much to figure that out, and folks like Anne Rice (and yes, Bram Stoker) did a good job of playing up a lot of that. Certainly, Rice's "Claudia" from Interview Of A Vampire is about the best (worst?) example of a vampire kid in books I can tink of, and she certainly has a sexualized subtext to her. That said, when I was a RL kid, a lot of other kids wore plastic fangs at Halloween an said -- in bad accents -- I van to suck yer blood!" without a hint of sexuality. Think of Eddie Munster, for example  Any time I've come across a vampire kid inworld, it's been a lot more of the "I'm undead and creepy an get to gross you out by talking about blood and stuff" than it is about sexual activity of any nature. _____________________
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Gabriele Graves
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07-25-2008 04:56
Well I didn't quite make it to sleep yet but thanks Keira and Mari, that helps a lot in my mind about the whole subject
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Marianne McCann
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07-25-2008 07:05
they might have an issue with this, as violence is considered Mature and child avatars are considered PG and are to be kept within the PG guidelines There are no rules barring child avatars from taking part in combat or other violent activities in Second Life beyond rules affecting all avatars, and assuming we're not talking about sexualized violence (as in some BDSM activities). Mari _____________________
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Nic Writer
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07-25-2008 07:34
It's been many, many years since I read it, but I believe in Salem's Lot (Stephen King) a whole town is slowly turned, including the children - and I seem to recall a really scary little girl vampire who was just creepy as hell.
I visualize child vampires as lost and somewhat innocent, not even thinking about the idea that taking blood is wrong, just hungry and lost and wanting to feed. You know, little girl in a nightgown, crying to be picked up... On the other hand, would one still be a child after decades or more, or an adult in a child's body? Would sex even factor in for someone who had never gone through physical maturation? I can see where a child vampire could be fascinating to roleplay. I am neither an LL employee nor a child avatar, but I can't see where a child vampire would be a problem. I mean, maybe if they dismembered their prey or something, but I don't see where it would have to be physically violent at all. Hope this is some help. _____________________
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Chris Norse
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07-25-2008 07:36
Near Dark has a really badass child vampire in it. But he is a child in body only, his demeanor is of a twisted, mean bastard.
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07-25-2008 07:57
Near Dark has a really badass child vampire in it. But he is a child in body only, his demeanor is of a twisted, mean bastard. _____________________
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Marianne McCann
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07-25-2008 08:02
I visualize child vampires as lost and somewhat innocent, not even thinking about the idea that taking blood is wrong, just hungry and lost and wanting to feed. You know, little girl in a nightgown, crying to be picked up... On the other hand, would one still be a child after decades or more, or an adult in a child's body? Would sex even factor in for someone who had never gone through physical maturation? I can see where a child vampire could be fascinating to roleplay. The Claudia character I referenced above is more the latter, but I could easily see either as being avery interesting, and pretty dark characters. Not someting I'm gonna RP, but I hope someone is! _____________________
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Marianne McCann
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07-25-2008 08:03
I do twisted well. (^_^)y You do't *do* twisted, Immy. It's like a natural state of being.  _____________________
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Kyllie Wylie
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07-25-2008 08:04
Maybe it was just me, but I failed to notice any sexual content in Little Vampire movie either... the Childrens books that the movie (and short lived TV series) was based on had sold over 10,000,000 copies world wide.
If you wander down to your local book store there are Tons of other books with Vampiric characters in the Childrens and Teen sections, it seems to be as popular as ever with Stephenie Mayer's "Twilight" series for teens leading the way... while the books heavily romanticize vampireism there's no sex in the books. In SL I have ran into Vampire children a few times, and had one very enjoyable time RPing with one (and her mother) at a store.. I had my Gorgon skin on (think medusa) and she was curious about me ... I RPed along and explained what race I was... she asked if she could bite me because she wanted to find out what my blood tasted like... so I offered her my finger ... she thought it was nummy and wanted more, but her mother told her not to bother the nice snake lady any more, and besides it was almost dinner time and she didnt want her appitite ruined.... I didnt ask what was for dinner.... all in all good clean RP fun ! |
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Chris Norse
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07-25-2008 08:13
I visualize child vampires as lost and somewhat innocent, not even thinking about the idea that taking blood is wrong, just hungry and lost and wanting to feed. You know, little girl in a nightgown, crying to be picked up... On the other hand, would one still be a child after decades or more, or an adult in a child's body? Would sex even factor in for someone who had never gone through physical maturation? I can see where a child vampire could be fascinating to roleplay. The innocence might last a few years, but as they live every day for decades trapped in a body that will never age would that really keep their minds from aging? Again from "Near Dark" (Homer is the child vamp) : Homer: The name's Homer. H-O-M-E-R. Mispronounce it... and I wouldn't... wanna... be you. ________________________________________________________________________ Mae: Look, I'll take care of him! Homer: You can't, Mae. I turned you, I taught you. Mae: Well I turned him and I can teach him! Severen: [smirking] What's the matter, Homer? You jealous? 'little too little to be jealous. Homer: Y'have any idea what it's like to be a big man on the inside and have a small body on the outside? "Joshua Miller’s Homer is a rather chilling addition — an immortal creature, the old man of the group, trapped in the body of a 10-year old boy. Watching him set traps for his victims by pretending to be a kid who fell off his bike is particularly twisted." http://www.pajiba.com/near-dark.htm _____________________
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Chariclo Dezno
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07-25-2008 08:39
Wow - this has been a great read for us lurkers
Whether there are sexual overtones to historical vampire stories or not - if the intention is to be an innocent non sexual vampire child in SL then what'sn the problem? I believe that every Halloween there are hundreds if not thousands of children in RL who dress up as vampires and I am pretty sure they are not running around their neighborhoods looking for sexual trysts. Oh - and what about the "Count Chocula" that is on a cereal box, and I believe there is also "The Count" on Sesame Street. Surely they are not promoting the sexual references that some adults seem to be so focused on. As a non vamp - non child - non furry - plain vanilla avatar - I say go for it. Just keep it clean - ya know peroxide and bandaids would be a nice touch after the bite. |
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Sylvester Dragonash
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07-25-2008 08:50
...sticking to the OP..."child vamps" in SL..?
My opinion...NOT SL isn't Seseme Street and it isn't a hummy box of cereal. There are some Coo Coo's here which is what my concern is. I think we can all agree, and use our commen sense, -IN SL- sex is part of the Vamp RP whether we admit it or not. So to introduce children playing vamps is just asking for trouble. ..can someone give an example of what kinda RP would two children vamps act out?? Would they have the bloodline Hud and just let the animation run its course or would their be chatting involved? i.e. "/me bite you. /me bite you back." Beyond that, I'm not sure where else you can go without getting more seductive??? Or maybe my minds just int he gutter today...it is Friday. XD Edit: I don't feel there should be RP'ing child vamps in SL. |
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Marianne McCann
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07-25-2008 08:55
SL isn't Seseme Street and it isn't a hummy box of cereal. Is in my neck of Second Life. SL is a big place, and there's a whole lot of different spaces here. (no, you can't bite that neck of Second Life) _____________________
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Ann Launay
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07-25-2008 08:55
I just don't see it happening...IN SL Since there already ARE child vamps in SL, I really don't understand what you mean. _____________________
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Sylvester Dragonash
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07-25-2008 08:59
My bad...could have worded that a bit better....
I don't feel there should be RP'ing child vamps in SL. Since there already ARE child vamps in SL, I really don't understand what you mean. |
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Colette Meiji
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07-25-2008 09:01
No one makes this big a deal about ACTUAL vampire avatars portrayed by real life kids in real life.
Heck there has to be dozens in any small town in America on Halloween. Think maybe the problem is too many people are too worried with what other RL adults are up to. ---------------------------------- The above comment is in no way endorsed by the Ban Eddie Munster campaign. |
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Marianne McCann
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07-25-2008 09:01
My bad...could have worded that a bit better.... I don't feel there should be RP'ing child vamps in SL. There are, they're PG (as far as the sex stuff is concerned) even.  http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=133331 Scary, huh? _____________________
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Ann Launay
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07-25-2008 09:01
omg, Colette! *pounces*
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Sylvester Dragonash
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07-25-2008 09:05
The question wasn't about RL ===>>SL
The question wasn't limited to just Halloween, that's different-your comparing apples to oranges. "....too worried with what other RL adults are up to." @@ You better believe it!!! No one makes this big a deal about ACTUAL vampire avatars portrayed by real life kids in real life. Heck there has to be dozens in any small town in America on Halloween. Think maybe the problem is too many people are too worried with what other RL adults are up to. ---------------------------------- The above comment is in no way endorsed by the Ban Eddie Munster campaign. |
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Colette Meiji
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07-25-2008 09:06
"....too worried with what other RL adults are up to." @@ You better believe it!!! Why? |
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Colette Meiji
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07-25-2008 09:09
omg, Colette! *pounces* *gets pounced* Wait a minute, pouncing better not be some veiled Victorian metaphor for something sexual. Of course remembering how cute your pics are maybe that would be okay too. |
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Ann Launay
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07-25-2008 09:16
I think we can all agree, and use our commen sense, -IN SL- sex is part of the Vamp RP whether we admit it or not. Oh, and I don't agree with this...sex and seduction CAN be part of the RP, but it isn't absolutely necessary. Hey, I sometimes see people getting frisky when I'm out shopping or exploring in not particularly sexually-intensive areas...does that mean sex is part of SL shopping? _____________________
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Marianne McCann
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07-25-2008 09:17
My bad...could have worded that a bit better.... I don't feel there should be RP'ing child vamps in SL. There are already, they're PG (as far as the sex stuff is concerned) even. http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=133331 Scary, huh? She was a great RPer, too. Mari (Took me a while to find dat piccie, with snapz not doin too good with searches right now) _____________________
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Kyllie Wylie
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07-25-2008 09:18
...sticking to the OP..."child vamps" in SL..? My opinion...NOT SL isn't Seseme Street and it isn't a hummy box of cereal. There are some Coo Coo's here which is what my concern is. I think we can all agree, and use our commen sense, -IN SL- sex is part of the Vamp RP whether we admit it or not. So to introduce children playing vamps is just asking for trouble. ..can someone give an example of what kinda RP would two children vamps act out?? Would they have the bloodline Hud and just let the animation run its course or would their be chatting involved? i.e. "/me bite you. /me bite you back." Beyond that, I'm not sure where else you can go without getting more seductive??? Or maybe my minds just int he gutter today...it is Friday. XD Edit: I don't feel there should be RP'ing child vamps in SL. You do know only a very small minority of people who RP Vampires play Bloodlines... in fact Bloodlines to me seems more like a commercial venture to make money, and the few people who I do run into useing it seem more interested in running up thier Blood Bank that actualy participating in RP... Also I find it very cynical of you to suggest that all RP ends with both paties bopping away on Pose balls at the end. Role playing is not a way to pick up girls / guys, its a way to socialize pretending to be something your not. Trying to play a mindset that is not normaly your own.. ... If I want to get it on, i'll just put on a Oiled Human skin, max out my boob slider and put on some Blonde hair and look for the nearest dance club... you will get way more offers for sex there than any RP sim. |