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Gabriele Graves
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07-24-2008 19:39
Seeing as it is child AV question day on the forums today, here is one I have been wondered about for a bit.

Would it be wrong to play a Vampire Child?
Would LL consider it a problem?

Consider that there would be no sex involved, just straight child-like innocence with vampirism thrown in.

Think Interview with a Vampire where Lestat makes a vampire child out of the orphan Claudia.

Lost Boys also had a child vampire.

Or perhaps a group of dark children, ala Children of the Corn, except instead of just being evil, they are vampires too.

These are just a few examples of many, many stories that have darkling children of the night.

The most important question is would this kind of thing make things more difficult for established SL children?
I am particularly intreresting in points of view from existing SL children.
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Conan Godwin
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07-24-2008 19:45
Since vampirism is just a metaphor for Sexually Transmitted Disease, then yes that is sexual ageplay.

If it's not okay to go to a sex club as an child avatar, then it's not okay to portray a child avatar with the clap either.

Shame on you!
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Gabriele Graves
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07-24-2008 19:47
From: Conan Godwin
Since vampirism is just a metaphor for Sexually Transmitted Disease, then yes that is sexual ageplay. Shame on you!
*laughs* I don't know where you got that nugget from but I certainly don't see that as being the case at all. Please tell me you are joking?
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Conan Godwin
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07-24-2008 19:48
From: Gabriele Graves
*laughs* I don't know where you got that nugget from but I certainly don't see that as being the case at all.



That's certainly what Bram Stoker's Dracula is - it's a Victorian cautionary tale about sexual excess. Bram Stoker made no secret of it.

Do you want me to put on my serious alt and say it again?
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Gabriele Graves
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07-24-2008 19:49
From: Conan Godwin
That's certainly what Bram Stoker's Dracula is - it's a Victorian cautionary tale about sexual excess. Bram Stoker made no secret of it.
Bram stoker is not the authority on vampirism, perhaps his story was about that but that does not mean that all are. Besides, i thought it was considered that his story was actually a love story albeit dark one.
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Gabriele Graves
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07-24-2008 19:50
From: Conan Godwin
That's certainly what Bram Stoker's Dracula is - it's a Victorian cautionary tale about sexual excess. Bram Stoker made no secret of it.

Do you want me to put on my serious alt and say it again?
Can you back that up with fact?

Besides I have already stated in the OP that this would in no way be sexual at all. Tales and legends of vampirism goes back hundreds of years before Stoker wrote his one albeit famous book.
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Conan Godwin
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07-24-2008 19:56
From: Gabriele Graves
Can you back that up with fact?

Besides I have already state in the OP that this would in no way be sexual at all. Tales and legends of vampirism goes back hundreds of years before Stoker wrote his one albeit famous book.



Look, I've done a course and everything!

Seriously, joking aside - there are plenty of parallels between vampirism and STIs. Vampires are known in most of the mythology, both old and modern, as being creatures that engage in all manner of decedant pleasures. They pass on their curse by exchanging bodily fluids too. Metaphors don't really get much more blatant than vampirism. The penetrative act of biting with fangs is a pretty vivid metaphor for penetrative intercourse too when you think about it.

Of course, maybe your child avatar got it from a blood transfusion, or a dirty toilet seat.
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Gabriele Graves
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07-24-2008 19:59
From: Conan Godwin
Look, I've done a course and everything!

Seriously, joking aside - there are plenty of parallels between vampirism and STIs. Vampires are known in most of the mythology, both old and modern, as being creatures that engage in all manner of decedant pleasures. They pass on their curse by exchanging bodily fluids too. Metaphors don't really get much more blatant than vampirism. The penetrative act of biting with fangs is a pretty vivid metaphor for penetrative intercourse too when you think about it.

Of course, maybe your child avatar got it from a blood transfusion, or a dirty toilet seat.
So you don't have any facts then? Are you saying all those popular films above are also suggesting Sexual AgePlay? Seriously get a clue about vampirism, it is about feeding upon another, the sexual portrayal is an added thing and is not necessarily inextricably linked with it. Or are vampire bats having sex with cows now too?
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Conan Godwin
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07-24-2008 20:02
From: Gabriele Graves
So you don't have any facts then? Are you saying all those popular films above are also suggesting Sexual AgePlay? Seriously get a clue about vampirism, it is about feeding upon another, the sexual aspect is not necessarily inextricably linked with it. Or are vampire bats having sex with cows now too?


Interesting. So you don't believe there are any sexual overtones to the act of feeding in vampire folklore? The vampires' propensity to entice a willing victim isn't an act of sexual seduction in any way shape or form? The fact that in some folklore cycles it is believed that a person who drinks the blood of a vampire becomes bound to them doesn't represent some sort of lustful obsession?

Not even a teensy bit?

I challenge you to provide facts that prove otherwise. It works both ways.


Oh and yes - every vampire film I have ever seen has sexualised the act of feeding.
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Ann Launay
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07-24-2008 20:04
I met a child vampire the other day...she was cute.

Whatever your literary hypotheses, child vampirism does not meet LL's definition of sexual ageplay...I doubt it meets that of the vast majority of people on the grid either.
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07-24-2008 20:04
some people are just hungry and want blood. everything in life is not sexual, at least not for those who are satisfied in RL.
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Gabriele Graves
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07-24-2008 20:06
From: Conan Godwin
Interesting. So you don't believe there are any sexual overtones to the act of feeding in vampire folklore? The vampires' propensity to entice a willing victim isn't an act of sexual seduction in any way shape or form? The fact that in some folklore cycles it is believed that a person who drinks the blood of a vampire becomes bound to them doesn't represent some sort of lustful obsession?

Not even a teensy bit?

I challenge you to provide facts that prove otherwise. It works both ways.


Oh and yes - every vampire film I have ever seen has sexualised the act of feeding.
Actually no, I see the sexual portrayal as something that has been added throughout the years to make it interesting as a subject. Also I am not the one making the claims it is, you have to provide the facts, not me.

However, here is a good article of vampires in history, not much sexual inference here: http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~vampire/vhist.html
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Gabriele Graves
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07-24-2008 20:09
From: Ann Launay
I met a child vampire the other day...she was cute.

Whatever your literary hypotheses, child vampirism does not meet LL's definition of sexual ageplay...I doubt it meets that of the vast majority of people on the grid either.


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some people are just hungry and want blood. everything in life is not sexual, at least not for those who are satisfied in RL.


Thank you both, this is more what I had in mind. I actually thought the problems would be with the violent nature rather than the sex as I stated there would be no sex involved.
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Conan Godwin
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07-24-2008 20:10
From: Gabriele Graves
Actually no, I see the sexual portrayal as something that has been added throughout the years to make it interesting as a subject. Also I am not making the one making claims it is, you have to provide the facts, not me.

However, here is a good article of vampires in history, not much sexual inference here: http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~vampire/vhist.html



No, I don't have to provide facts. You simply have to decide on whether to accept my opinon or not in the absence of facts. You have chosen not to, and that's cool with me. Personally, I've never required that other people accept my opnion as their own - just been frustrated when they gave opinions unrelated to the question at hand and asked them to please give their opinion on the actual issue at question. Generally, I'm more than happy to agree to differ, as here.
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Gabriele Graves
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07-24-2008 20:11
From: Conan Godwin
No, I don't have to provide facts. You simply have to decide on whether to accept my opinon or not in the absence of facts. You have chosen not to, and that's cool with me. Personally, I've never required that other people accept my opnion as their own - just been frustrated when they gave opinions unrelated to the question at hand and asked them to please give their opinion on the actual issue at question. Generally, I'm more than happy to agree to differ, as here.
Actually you were not just giving an opinon, you were stating it as fact and saying to me that it was obvious and inextricably linked together, and made a claim about Bram Stokers book, you should really backup assertions like that as they are not just opinions.
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07-24-2008 20:12
Conan must be bored and lonely tonight. poor Conan.
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Gabriele Graves
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07-24-2008 20:13
Makes me wonder, is this really the guy who admitted that he goes to clubs as a child av for kicks? *incredulous*
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Melanie Dragonash
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07-24-2008 20:13
Whether a child vampire avie is acceptable or not I wouldn't know. But I do actually see the parallels between vampirism and sexually transmitted diseases. Whether vampirism has been sexualised in recent decades or not isn't all that relevant. The fact is, in modern culture there are now sexual overtones, whether they were present in previous centuries or not. Anyone who has read an Anne Rice novel can see that. Still, what matters is whether LL see the parallels, and I doubt they do or would care enough either way.

Pity my first post on the forum has to be on such a hotly contested thread.

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Gabriele Graves
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07-24-2008 20:14
From: Melanie Dragonash
Whether a child vampire avie is acceptable or not I wouldn't know. But I do actually see the parallels between vampirism and sexually transmitted diseases. Whether vampirism has been sexualised in recent decades or not isn't all that relevant. The fact is, in modern culture there are now sexual overtones, whether they were present in previous centuries or not. Anyone who has read an Anne Rice novel can see that. Still, what matters is whether LL see the parallels, and I doubt they do or would care enough either way.
What is your opinion of the child vampire portrayal in her book then? I don't recall any kind of book burning going on when she wrote it.

Oh and Hi, welcome to the forums :)
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07-24-2008 20:16
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07-24-2008 20:17
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Gabriele Graves
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07-24-2008 20:19
Are people really this ready to see sex everywhere? I think that is the true shame :(
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Ann Launay
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07-24-2008 20:19
There are lots of blood-borne disease which have absolutely no sexual component, so I fail to see the vampirism/STD comparison as valid.

I've seen and read plenty of vampire stories where violence, not seduction, was the crux. And then there are those where the victim never knows what has happened, or doesn't know until it's too late.

Where children are involved, it's usually a matter of either loneliness or the desire to regain something which was lost.
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Gabriele Graves
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07-24-2008 20:20
ROFL excellent :)

Ann: I agree totally :)
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Amaranthim Talon
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07-24-2008 20:22
Lestat was very sorry..
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