Are bots actually allowed?

I don't know how much Phil makes, but some of it is from me. I own his products, they are excellent. His prices are great, and I've personally witnessed Phil's excellent customer service. It would be good to see the whole traffic situation resolved so he could get out from the spectre of his bot army

And spoil my forum fun???

Actually, it would be great if the upcoming LL blog results in the traffic rankings disappearing, but I just don't think it will. I have no doubt that, whilst what LL comes up with may appear to be good, it will make things worse by bringing traffic bots down to where people are, causing lag, and, with the mushrooming of clubs with little shops attached, actually make the traffic results worse. That's how much confidence I have in LL.

According to his own posts, all Phil has to do in order to "get out from the spectre of his bot army" is to take a 25% hit on sales.

He has 22 bots. That's 31680 of Traffic.
Without that completely manufactured Traffic, he loses about 25%, he says.
He's also posted that he doesn't really need it. He's got RL plenty he says.

Poor boy. He has to wait for LL to fix it so that he can get out from the spectre of his bot army.

This is not about you, or your rights to argue ad-naseum, or even to flame, but it is about a larger issue. The subject of this thread is "Are bots actually allowed?" My post stated quite simply that "Bots are spam". It says nothing that calls for an ad hominem abusive attack.

See? I'm being nice, I even gave you a link, so an idiot like you are wouldn't have to look it up.

I would feel more comfortable buying from you if you advertised on xstreetsl.com, where they have ratings and public comments, but you apparently don't. Why? Are you afraid of their open and fair ratings and traffic systems? If you are, then please post us a link to your adverts. I am sure you can use the free advertising here.

For the benefit of those who are still reading Phil's drivel, and feel like filing an AR for specific abuse of "Disturbing the Peace - Unfair use of region resources", an excellent place to go to is http://slurl.com/secondlife/Weederman/247/224/4092 , which is right next door to his silly bots and also conveniently out of range of his security system, and is also well within camera range. Use a flight band, it's at 4,000.

Ferd

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: George Carlin

Let me underline this nice statement !

I do believe and know that a high ranking and many positive statements on xstreetsl.com is the very best way to make promotion and increase your sales with it - for old and new products. So its much better to focus just on positive public statements on xstreetsl.com and forget the whole land traffic that you want to boost with bots.

I think most people already compare products, their quality and prices using xstreetsl.com website and database because they can find out the public opinion left by many different real users.

And I do believe that most of the people in SL, especially those who have been around for some month, think negatively about those creators who need to add bots on their land.

Last but not least - all those creators with really high quality work do NOT add any bot. You wont find any there, no matter what time

Is that all I have to do? Wow! I never realised it was that easy. Y'know, I could even do it if it weren't for the fact that there is no "spectre of my bot army" - that and the fact that it would cost me a very significant amount of real money. Oh, and it would deprive me of the opportunities to get up your nose, Sling, and I definitely wouldn't want to lose those, would I?

and rankings/ratings are gamed as much on XStreetSL as traffic is gamed in world.

And I think Phil's stuff is nice, even if he does have a bot box.

Correction: You said a little bit more than that. In fact my response to what you said was entirely justified.

I've never advertised on xstreet or onrez simply because I couldn't be bothered with the hassle and I've never found a need for them. But now that you mention it, I have no doubt that there are some dickheads in this forum who would use the rating system to lie about my stuff, just because I use traffic bots. There are some nasty people around, y'know

You're funny You think you're the first one to have that idea? Be my guest. Just like the previous dickheads, it won't make any difference to anything, but you are more than welcome to give it a shot. Bigger dickheads than you have tried - and failed

I do apologise for missing this bit...

Right. So why didn't you answer the question - the subject of this thread - instead of grinding your personal axe?

P.S.
See my thread on spamming the search systems for an understanding concerning your "spam" statement.

...says the man who calls everyone who disagrees with him a dickhead...

Getting rid of bots won't really matter. Scammers always find new ways to scam people.

What really needs to change on a fundamental level is how people precieve the ways it's ok to make money from other people.

There are those for whom an honest days pay for an honest days work is enough. Most of those people will look at a charlaten and simply shake thier heads, going back to the work at hand.

There are those for whom "any means necessary" is justifiable when it comes to the amount of money they can get a hold of, because nothing is ever enough for them. As long as there is no law against it, these people will scrape the last little penny from any venture until such time as enough people get pissed off enough to make a law against making money that way. By that time the venture is usually bleed pretty dry anyway.

You could call the first set of people your average person; the second group could be compared to the bankers and mortgage brokers who raped the economy for their own year end bonuses while Rome burned around them.

The subject of this thread is: Are bots actually allowed? Of course they are, and there's no reason they should not be allowed.

I've always been of a position that bots are not the issue as bots are simply tools. Take the gun out of a murderers hand and he will just pick up a fork to kill you with instead.

But for someone who admits that what they are doing is "gaming" a system for profit to defend his actions by waving his money in your face is deplorable and a sign of low character, in my opinion.

I've heard a lot about how Phil is a groovy guy to know. I'm sure a lot of the CEO of AIG's friends think he's a swell guy too, especially the fellows who are going to be getting bonuses this year from your tax-money.

Most pick-pockets are personable... it helps them get close enough to get in your pocket.

Free the bots! Hang the pick-pockets!!

Thanx Pie, always like how you put things in perspective.

Oh, I am sure he'll find some other way to cheat.

The spectre has nothing to do with his "bot army", and everything to do with his shortage of ethics.

I agree, Jojo. Some shops, people really don't feel the need to meander around in. I suppose there is a reason for that.

To simplify the point I was making....it appears that the particular store I used as an example, is in fact, one of those that people do not feel the need to meander around in. Thus....the collection of traffic inflating bots used...does not appear to keep a person in the store to meander. Perhaps this has something to do with what they see when they arrive.

To store owners.....I believe that the need to meander speaks positively about a store, and sales will most likely reflect that. I watch people meander, and while they are meandering they are making purchases. Without the meandering, in my case, the sales would be half or less.

So if you are a new store owner, and stressing over having to compete with the traffic inflating bot users (which I often did in the beginning)....don't.....it appears from the particular example that I used.....that perhaps you have to have something in the store to meander to, once your traffic inflating bots drop the people into your store, and perhaps those traffic inflating bots are not as highly effective as the traffic inflating bot users report them to be, and perhaps the traffic inflating bot user might possibly be alluding to inflated, artificial sales figures in order to justify the use of the traffic inflating bots, as the use of traffic inflated bots is highly frowned upon by the majority of business owners who do not use them.

I do realize there is a very small minority of non-users who simply feign to have no opinion so as not to step on their buddies' butts, and I suppose we shouldn't chastise them for that...but probably best to leave them out of any statistics on overall opinions.

I also took into consideration whether or not a store owner uses Xstreeet, as I know that adds quite a bit of income....that would not be reflected in a low traffic count throughout the store....but I checked, and that is not the case, in the particular example that I used.

And if the one example I used seems to be an isolated case of people not wanting to meander, once they arrive via bot....let me add.....that I've watched many other stores in the same fashion, for many months....and the results are the same.....it appears that the traffic inflating bots are not extremely effective in sales.....if you base sales on meandering....which I do, based on my own figures.

In a nutshell...as encouragement for those who are starting out.....there are many more highly effective ways to increase sales....and be wary of those who are reporting other sales figures contrary to that....consider the source....and the fact they have made a practice out of "inflating", if they are a traffic inflating bot user.

What Im saying is not that the store i land in is not worthy of meandering...its that i choose to do my meandering with my camera and not my feet. I often will tp in, look at every single sale item on every floor simply with my camera and not move my av one inch.

So again, equating the high number of traffic at the entrance of a store to anything seems quite odd to me and more anecdotal and a theory by conjecture rather than a scientific method or any sort of data analysis.

As for encouraging new store owners...we all have to choose the marketing methods we use by what we are comfortable with and what we feel works best. I agree that bots are not the best way to get customers and I discourage folks from using them when i teach my marketing and starting a biz classes. there are many more tried and true methods that work well for anyone who chooses to master them and use them consistently...but either way...you have to WORK for your success.

bots are ok solong they are not gambling!

Says the person who lies whenever it suits him/her.

You get very little right, Pie, and this is no exception. I don't defend what I do. I state what I do. There's a big difference. I have no need to defend it because it's not under attack. Sorry, old thing, but you just spout drivvel.

I never used the word "Scientific"....in fact, used the word "Perhaps" quite often....so that people may apply their own theories.

My store has become quite large, since you visited last, Jojo....and meandering is necessary now....scanning won't get you to every corner....at least it won't the way I have my tool set up...."perhaps" there is a way to make it scan farther, but I probably have it set at default, as "perhaps" most do.

In fairness....I've been in the store I used as an example....and it is rather large, as well....so I was not able to stand and scan to every corner either.

And to repeat....the meandering I watch in my own store....produces sales...."perhaps" this is an isolated case....I don't believe it to be, as the customers who shop there cover a very broad range of personalities and lifestyles....and I would "assume" that they shop that way in any store that provides a reason to meander.

Perhaps.

I agree...I offer a marketing boot camp, and teach that as well....I just don't feel the need to mention it in every post I submit....in fact never have, but feel it required in this post, in order to agree with you.