Are bots actually allowed?

Anything at all?

I sincerely hope that what I do causes traffic rankings to die. I've shouted for it for long enough. But I'm small fry in the grand scheme of things - even in the grand scheme of traffic bot users.

Just out of interest, there are no bots, or any traffic-boosting things, on the Art Gallery parcel - not that I see any relevance between bots and scanned images of paintings.

If you don't need them at all, then why have them?



Considering that there are many sellers out there who do as well as you do or better and DON'T use bots, I think it is quite a realistic observation.

The title says it all. When I arrived I thought I did something wronge. I also had to sit on something above to get out of the bottom.

To increase sales. I made that quite clear. I've always made that quite clear.

No it's not. There are plenty of sellers who do far better than me, with or without traffic manipulations, but it doesn't make her highlighted statement real. I do think that there are many places that use traffic manipulation because they aren't getting people in, and the statement may well be correct for them. But without qualifiying it, the blanket statement is just wishful thinking or imagination.

Yeah, but then you are left with the baggage of being an abuser. You're no better than some of the worst microparcel extortionists we've been fighting for the last few years. Several of them claim they are only doing it to get LL to make them all stop -- all the while laughing all the way to the bank.

But, hey, it's your rep. If you're happy with it, great. Just don't whine when people constantly pass around word-of-mouth info about the dark side of your business and go elsewhere as a result.



Nothing except that it proves what I said earlier. What other "shortcuts" are you willing to take? What else are you willing to cheat over?

I didn't even know about the art infringement. That's pretty pathetic.

I'm perfectly happy with it. You've followed all these threads so you should know that. You should also know that the money is the only thing that keeps me in SL. I've said it often enough. So what baggage and rep?

One person's pathetic is another persons profits

I don't cheat in any way. You've seen it all before - you know all about it.

I have a bot but do not use him for traffic. He wears a cupcake and dances out front because hes the mascot at my bakery. I'm not going to hire someone to do that all day when I can do it myself. I was in busy mode while working on things when some girl came in and said "who in here isnt a bot". I never knew being in busy mode at my table makes me look like a bot ha.

Sorry about that The problem was pointed out to me and I've fixed it. It's something that may be of interest to others.

In my sig, I'd used the img tags and added a ? at the end of the SLURL to make it a clickable link. What I didn't know is that ? screws the height, which ended up at 128 instead of 251 or something near that. So adding a ? at the end of an SLURL, causes it to send people to the wrong height. It's probably still ok if the parcel has a forced landing point though.

You also said you don't need them. Hence you don't need the extra sales, hence why I point out that you don't need anyone's "little bit".

Don't worry; your wishes will come true, if you really press on with these kinds of attitudes hard enough.



If you read what she said, she said "very best way to show". For me, I find it quite real in your case. I think it shows exactly what she says, your claims to the contrary notwithstanding. That you don't agree is irrelevant, since that's what would be expected for your own view of your situation. However, from the outside, that's what I see shown to me by people who use bots.

She spoke nothing as to the actuality of whether or not you are "successful". Apparently, you must not think you are, since you claim you don't need them, but use them anyway.

Spoken like a true crook.



Yes, of course I have, Mr. Ponzi.

I wonder if the Vallejos et al would be interested in a little screenshot of your "art gallery" and a sampling of the text from this thread?

Can you spell DMCA Takedown?

Seems to work okay if you put a slash after the height, and then the ?

Witness...

Maybe they will. Send some to them

Can you spell, "I don't care"?

*LMAO

Smart as he is he knows how to place the traffic bots in the right corners and when it comes to bring real people to his place it seems he wants to smack their head against the floor of his store *gigglel*

Sorry cannot resist this is fun now - take it as it is ))) haha´haha

i went to bed after all this and had to laugh after reading 2 new pages of new posts. (for the record i am the only one in butler at the moment and checked the map - all the bots that where in hibdon are gone - and there is a differeance in the lag) this is not the first time seen this happen.

I'm in Butler now, as you probably know. There are 3 avs in the sim, including me, and none in Hibdon. The Time Dilation in Butler is in the very low 90s, sometimes dropping into the 80s, the FPS is ~40, sometimes dropping into the 30s, and the Total Frame Time is mid 20s, sometimes higher. Moving is still very laggy (jerky). The Butler sim is in bad shape all by itself.

The problem appears to be in the Physics - specifically Physics step. The scripts are ok as are the rest of the times under the Time (ms) heading, except the Physics. That's where your problem lies. It isn't the avs that appear in Hibdon. They may have an additional effect being on the same server, as will any av arriving in Butler, but the problem is in Butler itself. A Total Sim Time above 22ms = lag. Butler is way over that all by itself and anything that happens in and around it will make it worse.

Only people from this forum

So bots in Hibden are reported to make the lag in Bultler observably worse. You go as far as to say that *"They may have an additional effect"*

Would your position be:
This might annoy the people in Butler, but this annoyance has to be dismissed in the light of the benefit to the SL community by the Hibden bots. If these bots are enabling many people to find "best in the field" products that they might not otherwise find, then any consumption of general resources by the bots is worth it for the community as a whole.

What's being touted in Hibden anyway? If the products/services are not "best in their field", would this make any resource consumption by the bots unacceptable?

People of Butler!! Will noone think about the Community????

the guy in hibdon is selling radios and dance balls - and particle effects - and its only the bots that are ever there? (if they where the best in the field the guy wouldnt need about 15 bots to keep his traffic up to around 13000)

Welcome back, Sling. It's good to see that you haven't lost any of your inability to read properly. Now go back and read the *whole* post, and preferably both of my posts about the Butler sim.

Ah!!! Silly me! You *can't* read properly, can you. Never mind. I'll write it in simple words for you...

The Butler sim is very laggy all by itself. It has a Frame Time between 25 and 30 all by itself and anything extra, like an avatar or two for instance, will add to it's problems. E.g. someone could have a few friends round in the next sim (child agents) and Butler's problems will get worse. The problems have nothing to do with bots or avatars of any kind. The problems are in Butler itself.

I hope that helps.

They aren't your problem - the Butler sim is. You need to find out what's causing the high Physics time. Or maybe have the sim restarted.

He seems to still think Bots are a benefit to all. They are in fact only a benefit to himself and others with questionable product quality. Thinking that people are instantly attracted to clusters of bots, or cheating the traffic counter will equal more sales. When in fact, the people he attracts only to find bots will leave sorely disappointed.

It is human nature to remember when someone has treated them badly, more then when treated well. It is sad but true. So slowly over time, people will remember going to his place and being disappointed, and when he builds something worth while, they will not show because
of it.

of course you realize Phil looks at threads like this as advertisement so will argue, right or wrong, with God himself to keep them active.

Make up your mind.
Are the problems solely within Butler?
Do you deny that bots in Hibden will add to the problems observed? If you don't deny it then the problems do have something "to do with bots or avatars of any kind".

Do you consider that it should be acceptable that traffic bots can cause *any* level of experience degradation for others?
If some level of degradation is acceptable, do you have some metric that marks the level where it becomes unacceptable.
Would this metric be related to the nature of the goods/services being promoted by the gaming?
Would there be one metric level for "best in their field" and others for "nearly the best" , "excellent", "quite good" , "ordinary" and "inferior"?
Would the quality rating in the metric be defined by the merchant, what the merchant says that others have said, or maybe a formula more complicated that that noted for Traffic in the KB?

Yeah, but from his behaviour here, he's really pushing the envelope on "No such thing as bad publicity".

You have a point though.
He posted that the only thing that keeps him in SL is money.
When I read that, I immediately thought "So what keeps him in the Forums?".
Silly me! It's the bad publicity oportunities!

well, Im not in SL for money, I have money to be in SL, no need to make SL a job. However there are bottom feeders everywhere.