Are bots actually allowed?

I actually did stop in, and you do have lag. Not imobilizing but walking into walls a bit. Maybe it is just today for now. Because the bots in Butler DO make it worse. But today seems to be worse then ever.

We're not actually hearing from anyone whose enjoyment is at issue, except you. You're the only person I've ever seen post about a specific downgrading of enjoyment, and we've had a *lot* of threads on this topic here. There have been posts where bots have prevented land owners from accessing their land, but that's a bit different. And I am sure there is more to your story than we've heard here. I can prove that well-used traffic bots don't cause lag. What you experience with your horses must be something different.

If you want to look to LL for the sort of confirmation you described, you can do that right now. How long have camping and traffic bots been around? I joined in December 2006 and camping was everywhere even then (and camping *does* create significant server load and lag). And what has LL done about it in all this time? Absolutely nothing. There's the answer as to whether or not camping and traffic bots are frowned on by LL.

LL is now in the process of doing something about it for their own reasons. We don't know their reasons - all we know is one comment form Jack - words to the effect of "selling traffic isn't cool". I have every confidence in LL - that they will do the wrong thing and make things worse, because a ban on traffic bots will definitely make things worse for all users. The *only* sensible thing to do is to remove the reason for traffic bots and camping, but I seriously doubt that they'll do that.

Incidentally, if traffic bots and camping were banned, the Places tab results would be worse than they are now. Bet you didn't know that, did you

So you did. I was playing Wii tennis at the time. There is no lag here - you were mistaken about that. You probably mistook the need to download the stuff around you for your lag. You *do* have to download the surroundings, y'know. But come back, walk around an area of the sim. It's no different to any other sim so when you've done that, you can walk around it without any delays whatsoever. Or you are not very good at walking straight

I think it's safe to say that, with a Time Dilation of 0.99, a Sim FPS of 44/45, and my ability to walk everywhere without sensing any lag, there is no lag here.

Actually NO, what we would see is real popular items coming up instead of CRAP

i am just gonna put my 2 cents in here since i been following this as well - i am the co-owner of the butler sim with InuYasha and i have also seen what happens when the bots in hibdon are not around, things do improve - it could be general lag or the bots making it worse - really dont know - i do know that people do abuse the traffic use search by using bots for that purpose.
camping bots just make it harder for newbies to earn cash if they wanted.

you won't believe me but I was just going to say that...

Wrong. Much of what comes up now is largely relevant places and due to the organising of traffic. If there is no organising of traffic (camping or traffic bots) places like clubs with small shops attached will magically float to the top. Right now, the listings are influenced by places that actually deal in what's being searched for. Without that influence, we would see the "real popular" (as you put it) places floating to the top, but many of them will be popular for completely different things than what is being searched for.

Incidentally, camping and traffic bots don't make crap places. If you can go to my store and honestly say that what I sell is crap, ok, but nobody can do that because it is among the best in its field - many people tell me that - it's their opinions.

I have been here since 2005. My machine is a HP phenom Quad Core with 720 gig drives and a Nvidia 8500 GT video card. It runs smooth in most cases. I have also got a 3.5 MPS Internet connection. I know about delay loading and cashe. I was there long enough, everything was loaded on my machine, nothing was left to load. My machine as I said is very quick. However, once I started walking and let go of the forward arrow I kept walking and right into a wall. It was lagged.

OH wait, are you viewing the world on LOW settings.


As I said before I agree with the woman who said to get rid of the kids. I am tired of arguing, I am over 40 and don't need this kind of crap. I just hope Lindens do something about this.

I have my graphics set to mid, and my draw distance at 96m. But the main things are the sim's Time Dilation and FPS, and neither show lag. 0.99 and 45 as I'm writing this.

One thing that could have affected you is if your draw distance is more than 146m. There's a *huge* store with a *lot* of textures and items to download, 146m above the point where you landed in the sim. When you start to get that stuff, you have lag, of course, but it's not caused by the traffic bots in the sim.

Either the owners of the bots in Hibdon have been reading this, or Lindens went and spoke to them. Now they are down to only 6 from 16 and I noticed a huge difference. Butler still seems a little off of normal. might require a linden to reset it.

and yes I try to keep it around 150 or so, on viewing distance.

WOW!!!

I'm in the Butler sim right now. There are only 5 avs showing in the Hibdon sim, and 3 avs, including me, in the Butler sim. The sim's FPS is mostly in the 30s and its Time Dilation fluctuates between the 70s and 80s, occasionally popping into the low 90s for a very quick visit. The Total Frame Time is mid - high 20s, and frequently higher, and moving is like trying to go through treacle.

You need to look at your own sim for the cause of your lag, and not what's happening on other sims. It would only need an avatar to breathe heavy here to bring the sim totally to its knees.

At 150, you will have been downloading a lot of stuff from the store above. That would account for any lag you found but, even then, the sim must have felt like pure heaven for you after being used to the lag in yours. Your problems are truly in your own sim because 5 or 6 avs in a sim that shares a server with yours isn't going to turn yours into the treacle that it is.

Yes, and I suppose all your posts in those threads where you defended temp-rezzers not causing "lag" were factual as well?

Please... it's well known and accepted that you will say anything to defend your "business", regardless of its factual accuracy.

In the end, it doesn't matter. Traffic gaming is going away, one way or another. Enjoy your bots whilst they last!

/me watches Phil wave his hand and recite "There is no lag here! These aren't the bots you are looking for!".

If your stuff wasn't crap, why would you need to cheat in order to make your store appear more popular than it really is?

I have no idea if your stuff is crap or not, but I will never find out since I don't trust people who are willing to cheat the system and, thus, don't buy their products.

I mean, if you're willing to cut corners and cheat one system, who know what corners you've cut in your actual products? Personally, it's not worth the money finding out. I'll just save it for people who are stand-up businessmen and are willing to compete fairly, just like myself.

I see Phil is up to his old tricks that only he is right and the rest of the world is wrong Kinda like trying to teach a pig to sing.

Before you arrived they just removed 10 bots, last night at Midnight SL time when I logged off everything was fine in Butler.. I got up this morning and the bots were back and it was like this. I had no choice then to assume it was them. I still think it was first caused by them, but butler may need a reset.

I didn't say any such thing. It's so long ago now that neither of remember exactly what was said, but there's no way I would have said that temp rezzers don;t cause lag because they can be used in such a way that they can do. Using them in itself doesn't cause lag, though. Traffic bots can be used in ways that cause noticeable and significat lag, but that doesn't mean that "traffic bots cause lag".

That's a lie, and you know it.

It's what I've been after for long enough - you know that too. I hope that LL does it sensibly, but I have every confidence that they'll acrew it up.

If you had any sense in you, why do you need to be stupid? As you know, I don't cheat, and I don't do anything to make my store appear to be more popular than it is.

That's alright, Tal. I make thousands of US$ every month from sinsible people, without fail, so I don't need your little bit.

No problem at all in you keeping your few lindens. I am content to compete fairly and very successfully

Correction:
I am right in this discussion and the rest of the world hasn't cast an opinion - unless the population of SL is a lot smaller than I think it is.

Of course you are Phil now please take your medication and calm down.

HA, It is MUCH smaller. at least a quarter of those people shown as being online at this moment are accually bots. Those bots count as users online too you know.

So you're basing your judgement on just one observation. I had the wrong idea that it was the 'norm' over there rather than just a possibility.

There were only 5 avs in that sim when I was there. Any effect that more might have previously had would not still be effective during my visit. Whatever was causing the lag when I was there was not those 5 avs, or any previous avs in that sim. You really do need to look at your sim. It's easy to blame something else, especially if it's something you dislike anyway but, if the something else isn't the cause, then it won't help at all. And the cause when I was there was not traffic bots.

No! Shan't take meds, or calm down

On this we do agree

But those bots must, by definition, be in agreement with me. They are part of the population too