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Treasure Ballinger
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11-10-2009 12:18
From: Ralektra Breda
Pretty sure I have only been griefed once, and that was like on my third day in SL on orientation island. They had the big boards telling you how to rez a prim and edit it, and I made a box and was twirling it about trying to decide what next and suddenly I was flying through the air. I landed quite far from where I took off, but I was still on help island, so I just rezzed a cube where I stood. I was pretty worried that I might get in trouble for prim littering tho (the cube I was playing with didn't fly thru the air with me). I didn't do anything about it myself, but after a while some guy came along in a demon avatar and asked me why I was standing where I was and I told him and he said he would go get them back. Dunno what ever happened.

Edit: There are many types of griefing. Posting something that someone said in a fit of temper all over the forums because you know it would embarrass them is its own form of griefing.


A fit of temper I could possibly understand, empathize with even........try to just get over it, move on, as I did the first time it was said. Twice on different days, same fit of temper? I keep thinking, what if someone said something like that, to one of my 5 sisters in law who died of cancer? (and then, they did just that. Died of cancer) However I too wish it would stop appearing all over RA.
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11-10-2009 12:21
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
About a week, some serious alt-work, multiple re-openings of my support ticket, and some pretty bold statements by myself on the forums and G-team office hours. (>_<;)


I like the fact that you got an apology too, that's impressive. I don't think that happens often.
Mickey Vandeverre
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11-10-2009 12:22
Treasure - just use the Ignore function, and you'll miss the majority of the dribble. Works wonders.
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11-10-2009 12:28
From: Ralektra Breda
Edit: There are many types of griefing. Posting something that someone said in a fit of temper all over the forums because you know it would embarrass them is its own form of griefing.
It was subsequently repeated a few days later in cold blood.

Pep (Does that change your attitude?)
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Treasure Ballinger
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11-10-2009 12:31
From: Mickey Vandeverre
Treasure - just use the Ignore function, and you'll miss the majority of the dribble. Works wonders.


I know. I'm too nosy. :o Then I get my feelings hurt and realize I should have done just that. :(
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11-10-2009 12:33
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Pep, I was in large measure responsible for the conception of Project Philomela; in fact, I named it. I'm not embarrassed by it.
Wouldn't it have been a lot more honest to have put a link to it in the OP, since it is apparent that the main reason for this thread is to satisfy an open call for examples of violence against women in SL.

Pep (Or those who purport to be women, because you can't actually tell the difference, can you? Which makes it rather a sterile intellectual study of attitudes rather than actions, doesn't it.)
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11-10-2009 12:38
From: Treasure Ballinger
I know. I'm too nosy. :o Then I get my feelings hurt and realize I should have done just that. :(


See...there's a post just underneath mine, and I can't read a word of it....and it gives me a chuckle every time.

It's kind of like watching someone with their hands flapping about, stomping like a five year old - and mumbling something underneath some duct tape over there mouth.....with steam coming out of there ears.

I purposefully used "there"....instead of "their".....so much fun. :)
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11-10-2009 12:38
From: Pserendipity Daniels
... it is apparent that the main reason for this thread is to satisfy an open call for examples of violence against women in SL.



That's a strong claim. What's your evidence in support of your claim?
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11-10-2009 12:44
From: Ponsonby Low
That's a strong claim. What's your evidence in support of your claim?
http://feministos.wetpaint.com/page/Call+for+Accounts+of+Abusive+Behaviour+Directed+against+Women+in+Second+Life

Pep (That'll do it. ;) )

PS Scylla is heavily involved in this, as she has admitted, and her name is on the page as the primary contact. Obviously she wasn't getting enough response, so she came here. It puts a different slant on things than Scylla's OP, doesn't it.

PPS You have said that you are back at college, Scylla. What's the subject of your studies, and do you have to write a thesis of some sort for the course?
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Marianne McCann
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11-10-2009 12:48
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Wow, a few of these go way beyond my personal experience. It's interesting, Mari, because I am guessing that such examples as #1 are probably specifically targeting you as a recognizable "public figure" in SL? Do you know if the scripts in #5 were hard coded to attack you, or did they grab the name of the nearest avatar, and insert that into the text?


The script in #5 was hard coded to attack me. I actually had not seen it "in person" for some time, but had gotten reports of it. Was also very deliberate. I've seen examples, though that do pick random, local names.

I've probably had more experience with griefing than most, really, given folks who go after kid avatars (some of the sims I frequent are regular targets for that, and I am a "known name," for some, I s'pect) as well as spending a fair amount of time at or around info hubs.
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Riseon Kosten
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11-10-2009 12:53
My 'griefing' experience is probably much closer to stalking and harrassment, as it all involves the same person(ableit different avvies). The most nefarious was using an illegal 3rd party viewer to make a copy of my avatar, with a similar name; joining my groups and showing up at venues I am known to frequent insulting everyone, and other childish actions. It had the desired result, I'm afraid. Many venue owners started asking me why I would do such a thing. :( I hid my groups and moved to new parts of SL so that person cannot find me after fighting with LL for months to get her to stop. Oh well, the grid is very big. ^_^

/me would like to add her voice to saying that wishing death by cancer on someone is not the approprate response...to anything. That is all.
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11-10-2009 12:59
From: Pserendipity Daniels


PS Scylla is heavily involved in this, as she has admitted, and her name is on the page as the primary contact. Obviously she wasn't getting enough response, so she came here. It puts a different slant on things than Scylla's OP, doesn't it.



Why should it do so?

You seem to see some problem associated with asking Residents for answers in Resident Answers. What, precisely, might that problem be?
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11-10-2009 12:59
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Wouldn't it have been a lot more honest to have put a link to it in the OP, since it is apparent that the main reason for this thread is to satisfy an open call for examples of violence against women in SL.

I disagree. Scylla clearly stated in the OP:

"By way of context, I am interested in these stories because I have been updating the Newbie Woman's SL Survival Kit, and am now working on the "SL Safety" section. Your stories will help give me a better sense of the varieties of griefing newbies may face."

and,

"Please note that my interest in representations of sexualized violence is not restricted to male-on-female griefing or harassment; I am, for instance, very interested in whether such behaviour is at all common within the SL LGBT community."
Deira Llanfair
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11-10-2009 13:04
I've been:-

caged - I worked out how to get myself out
orbited - IMd the individual and told them I would AR if they did it again
pestered by a follow-box when I was testing on the beta grid - ARd
swamped by megaprims - ARd
smoke bombed - freeze, eject, and ban
shot at - friended the attacker and he gave me a copy of his gun
IM spam - got LL to help me
IP theft - filed DMCA
Alt deception - tricked him into sitting on a ballet pose ball and took snapshot.
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Ceera Murakami
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11-10-2009 13:13
Let's see:

When very new to SL, in a local Sandbox, I got hit with no warning by some sort of push effect, got sent flying halfway across the sim, and several of my friends had to restrain me to keep me from retalliating against the individual, who had, as it turned out, not intended to "hit" me at all. Or so he claimed. I was furious. I stopped hanging out in Sandboxes after that.

On several occasions I have been caged in public areas. I would just sit on something else nearby to get out, and then AR the creator of the cage. If the attacks kept up, I left the area.

I've had a black-clad stranger appear at the foot of my bed in a fully-enclosed 700 M high skybox, leering at my companion and I as we shared intimate time. I ejected him from my parcel, and he retaliated with a flamethrower from just outside the parcel. Then I banned him from the entire Estate. It's good to be an Estate Manager in your own home sim...

I've had all manner of prim trash, pryamid scheme scripted gizmos, prim bushes, vehicles, and other prim trash dropped on my parcels. Mostly I just return them without comment, unless they are obviously something trecherous, like a scripted gadget that looks like it wants to take money.

I've been subjected to rains of self-replicating scripted objects, that were part of a grid-wide attack. I reported it and logged off.

I've been followed all over a sim by a naked guy who insisted on "publicly walking his dog" *ahem!*, while declaring he loved me. (I'd never seen him before.) After telling him in increasingly clear terms to bug off, and that I was neither interested nor impressed, I finally told him that I, the "lady of his affections", could rez for myself a much better example of "manhood" than his pitiful display. Then I Estate banned him.

Once a gangster-dressed fellow appeared in a PG-rated, no push, no-damage University sim where I was working, and proceeded to shoot me with a machine gun, complete with gory special effects. I was wearing a University Admin tag at the time, ane dressed like a very conservative female college professor. In my best "school marm" tone, I told him "Cease that at once!", and proceeded to tear into him verbally and treat him like a spoiled brat in a kindergarten school yard, informing him how inappropriate and unwelcome his actions were, and that he could get banned for SL for such actions. He stopped shooting, stunned, stood there a moment, and teleported away.
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Innula Zenovka
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11-10-2009 13:16
I find Emerald's "phantom avatar" feature very useful when people try to push me or shoot me; they get really puzzled about why it doesn't work.

Before that I used MystiTool's phantoming feature, which is fun. And also, if I'm in a bad mood, I use the free Utility Bar tool by Phidian Krasner -- https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=570628 -- which has some cool defensive capabilities, in particular a retaliation shield which, if you're struck hard enough by an object, puts its owner in a time-out cage for a couple of minutes.

But generally, just muting, tping away, banning or whatever does the biz. And turning particles off.. that's a good trick to know.
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11-10-2009 13:20
From: Ceera Murakami
Let's see:

When very new to SL, in a local Sandbox, I got hit with no warning by some sort of push effect, got sent flying halfway across the sim, and several of my friends had to restrain me to keep me from retalliating against the individual, who had, as it turned out, not intended to "hit" me at all. Or so he claimed. I was furious. I stopped hanging out in Sandboxes after that.

On several occasions I have been caged in public areas. I would just sit on something else nearby to get out, and then AR the creator of the cage. If the attacks kept up, I left the area.

I've had a black-clad stranger appear at the foot of my bed in a fully-enclosed 700 M high skybox, leering at my companion and I as we shared intimate time. I ejected him from my parcel, and he retaliated with a flamethrower from just outside the parcel. Then I banned him from the entire Estate. It's good to be an Estate Manager in your own home sim...

I've had all manner of prim trash, pryamid scheme scripted gizmos, prim bushes, vehicles, and other prim trash dropped on my parcels. Mostly I just return them without comment, unless they are obviously something trecherous, like a scripted gadget that looks like it wants to take money.

I've been subjected to rains of self-replicating scripted objects, that were part of a grid-wide attack. I reported it and logged off.

I've been followed all over a sim by a naked guy who insisted on "publicly walking his dog" *ahem!*, while declaring he loved me. (I'd never seen him before.) After telling him in increasingly clear terms to bug off, and that I was neither interested nor impressed, I finally told him that I, the "lady of his affections", could rez for myself a much better example of "manhood" than his pitiful display. Then I Estate banned him.

Once a gangster-dressed fellow appeared in a PG-rated, no push, no-damage University sim where I was working, and proceeded to shoot me with a machine gun, complete with gory special effects. I was wearing a University Admin tag at the time, ane dressed like a very conservative female college professor. In my best "school marm" tone, I told him "Cease that at once!", and proceeded to tear into him verbally and treat him like a spoiled brat in a kindergarten school yard, informing him how inappropriate and unwelcome his actions were, and that he could get banned for SL for such actions. He stopped shooting, stunned, stood there a moment, and teleported away.


I love 'Cease that at once!' :p I probably couldn't get away with it, I just don't have the persona for it. Virtual Ability's pres, Gentle Heron, I know a lot of you know her, could easily tell someone that, and have them obey, too. It's just that 'certain something', I do wish I could command it.
Milla Janick
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11-10-2009 13:26
My tales of griefing are pretty dull. They all involve jackasses who think it's entertaining to flood a region with self-replicating screaming cubes and the like. I AR them and go somewhere else while a Linden cleans up the mess. It's just generalized griefing, not anything aimed at me directly. No remarkable reactions, either.

I have been the subject of annoyances in various roleplay sims. The perpetrators are usually induhviduals who are incapable of reading and/or comprehending the rules, and end up getting ejected and banned sooner or later. I wouldn't say they rose to the level of griefing. I doubt these are the kinds of places SLLUFN members/readers frequent anyway.
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Nicoletta Lefevre
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11-10-2009 13:39
I was run over by a large taxicab, then banned them. Then they returned under new names and did some kind of thing where they put out cakes and smashed their butts into the cakes. It was really weird. They got kicked out.

Then another time I was at an SLX machine and somebody attached a penis to me.

I was really new to SL and it took me forever to get rid of it.

The smashing cakes thing is apparently some kind of fetish. I thought I'd heard of every fetish, but guess not!
Marianne McCann
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11-10-2009 13:59
From: Deira Llanfair
I've been:-

caged - I worked out how to get myself out
orbited - IMd the individual and told them I would AR if they did it again
pestered by a follow-box when I was testing on the beta grid - ARd
swamped by megaprims - ARd
smoke bombed - freeze, eject, and ban
shot at - friended the attacker and he gave me a copy of his gun
IM spam - got LL to help me
IP theft - filed DMCA
Alt deception - tricked him into sitting on a ballet pose ball and took snapshot.


Ah yes, I forgot caging, orbiting, deforming, and object spamming. Ah, so many different ways :-)
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11-10-2009 14:15
From: Autumn Palen
I disagree. Scylla clearly stated in the OP:

"By way of context, I am interested in these stories because I have been updating the Newbie Woman's SL Survival Kit, and am now working on the "SL Safety" section. Your stories will help give me a better sense of the varieties of griefing newbies may face."

and,

"Please note that my interest in representations of sexualized violence is not restricted to male-on-female griefing or harassment; I am, for instance, very interested in whether such behaviour is at all common within the SL LGBT community."
And she also stated:

"I am also preparing an exhibit on representations of sexualized violence in SL. I don't expect that many of the examples that will appear in this thread will apply to that, but if you DO have a story of harassment or griefing with a sexual association or subtext (as for example, verbal sexual harassment, stalking, or just being rammed by a giant penis) that you don't mind sharing, and wouldn't mind me citing anonymously, I would love to hear it from you, either in-world, or via a PM."

Which is EXACTLY the subject of the open call for examples of violence against women which is *not* part of the Newbie Survival Kit, but is directed to satisfy a separate part of the SLLUFN manifesto.

Pep (I call that subterfuge.)
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Scylla Rhiadra
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11-10-2009 14:18
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Wouldn't it have been a lot more honest to have put a link to it in the OP, since it is apparent that the main reason for this thread is to satisfy an open call for examples of violence against women in SL.

Pep (Or those who purport to be women, because you can't actually tell the difference, can you? Which makes it rather a sterile intellectual study of attitudes rather than actions, doesn't it.)

No, Pep. This thread has nothing directly to do with Project Philomela: it is "about" exactly what I have said it is about.

Were I to receive, as per the second part of the OP, an account of a sexualized griefing attack that I thought would fit in with Project Philomela, I would, in any case, contact the source to ask permission to include it in that resource separately, just as I have contacted women about other accounts I have found elsewhere.

But the real point of THAT part of the OP is, just exactly as I have said, an exhibit I am preparing. When it is completed and on display, I will be delighted to send you an invitation. :)
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11-10-2009 14:19
From: Scylla Rhiadra
No, Pep. This thread has nothing directly to do with Project Philomela: it is "about" exactly what I have said it is about.

Were I to receive, as per the second part of the OP, an account of a sexualized griefing attack that I thought would fit in with Project Philomela, I would, in any case, contact the source to ask permission to include it in that resource separately, just as I have contacted women about other accounts I have found elsewhere.

But the real point of THAT part of the OP is, just exactly as I have said, an exhibit I am preparing. When it is completed and on display, I will be delighted to send you an invitation. :)
Don't bother dear.

Pep (There will be nothing in it to compare with having cancer wished upon you in a foul mouthed fashion.)
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11-10-2009 14:41
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Don't bother dear.

Pep (There will be nothing in it to compare with having cancer wished upon you in a foul mouthed fashion.)
You asked for it, as has been pointed out to you. The actual wish was way over the top but you *did* ask for a red mist retaliation (apparently you drove somebody away with your stupidities, and the friend retaliated). I have no sympathy with you whatsoever.

Btw, do stop sulking about it.
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11-10-2009 14:41
My favorite griefing story is still the scamps who inundated a Gorean sim with pictures of Abraham Lincoln saying "Free the slaves".
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