Inclusive Communities and Representations of Violence against Women

or scary cause they will get what they want I would bet

How obvious a name for a troll with arms of argument, past which our frail wooden ship must pass.

All 23 of this person's posts since this person's appearance in this forum have been in this thread. From silence to loquacity; not one other post since this person's advent (Oct. '0 in SL, until today.

Honestly?

I consider myself a feminist.

Now stay out of my virtual affairs. You are seriously ticking me off.

Only difference I see between the rhetoric in these recent agenda-thumping threads, and the Bible-thumping of the Moral Majority, is WHICH books they want to figuratively burn.

(I'm also a Christian btw, but why is it the more obnoxious in both groups need to push forefront and give the rest of us a bad name.)

My bigger concern is not with the furries with the fursuits, but the humans who date them. They're the ones who are potentially dangerous, who might escalate to real life yiffing. They might BE real life sheep lovers for all we know. I don't think SL screens out animal lovers.

/sarcasm

I agree, sexism is rampant in SL.




I don't really want to see that scene either, but I know I can TP away whenever I want. I also remember the women (presuming they are actually women) are there because they've chosen to be.




I just don't buy this escalation argument. somehow, I think the RL sexual sadists can find a lot more titillating content than SL.





Uhm, hello? This is a fantasy environment. Pixels, remember?



Now this is a statement I wholeheartedly agree with. Do what you want with your own land. If you don't like violent roleplay, avoid it. Simple really.

SL is not RL

No group is more powerful than another, therefor none can discriminate on another.
No one can have "a real impact on the rights and freedoms of others", as you say.
We are all on equal footing, we all have the same power over our own avatar. (off/on)
No violent acts can be committed, and no freedoms can be taken away.
Depictions of 'despicable' acts can sometimes insult our senses, but their impact is laughable.

How much more welcoming and diverse can a community be?
In fact, I would argue that nowhere else can a woman (or minority) feel more empowered.
You even have the power to counter-attack depictions of 'hatred against women or minorities', with your own truth. How about that?!

But why should I be the one who has to TP away? I was not in a Gorean sim, or any type of sexual sim. They sold walks, hovers, etc. This type of behavior is not acceptable in public in RL, except in sex clubs. It should be the same here.



Not for everyone. Some are here for RL or SL business, making RL friends, education, building/creating etc.

Let me explain the tools the op and her ilk have to deal with stuff that disturbs them in SL

These are tools that I as a bisexual furry gender shifter (go from male to female) have found useful:

1 - Teleport home : This wonderful tool removes me from sims that contain content that I dislike or find offensive
2 - Mute : combined with the proper graphics settings this allows me to remove individuals from offending me visually. A very useful tool
3 - Abuse Report : Only had to use this once, when mute failed and they used prims and other means to harass in a sandbox. (combined in that situation with the sandbox admin assisting to remove them and the prims)
4 - Close the program : The little X in the upper right corner, or using the shortcut of Alt+F4 completely removes you from SL and prevents you from seeing or hearing any offensive content that results from others exercising the same freedom you have to say and do what you find enjoyable in SL
5 - Buy your own sim : This is one I have no experience with, but it allows you to set the rules of behavior for the sim community to suit your views. Much like everyone else when they own a sim can set the rules for what happens on there.
6 - Understanding and Acceptance : This is the hard one for many... to understand their views on something is not the same as everyone and then accept they do not have the right to speak up to get things they dislike removed.

Because you don't own the store. The owner can decide if he or she wishes to discriminate against people whose rp you find ojectionable.

I would argue that its up to the store owner to ban the people the owner deems unsuitable. Are you arguing for your inalienable right to shop in an environment which pleases you?




It's all fantasy... if you choose to meet someone outside of SL then that's taking your fantasy life to reality... the reality is not in SL.

Building? do your buildings have an existence outside the platform? Sure they're fun, I build too, but that doesn't make what I build real.

If you're here for education or RL business, generally the business or institution owns land. They/you have every right to set the standards for their own land. Please stop trying to enforce your standards on the rest of us.

Your world/Your imagination... you can buy an island or a piece of mainland and make it whatever you want. You can create an access list and keep everyone that offends you out. If you're offended by avatars you encounter while shopping, you can shop on Xstreet. Why do the rest of us have to conform to your paradigm to avoid disturbing your sensibilities with our pixel representations of our imaginations?

Ah, and we have a 3rd pushing the talking points of the secret cabal. How many more to come?

Why are the narrow of mind so tied up with the theory of "you can't do it in RL so it shouldn't be allowed in SL"? I can't fly, teleport, wave my hand and create a wooden box, or do myriad other things in RL that I can do in SL. SL is a fantasy world. Why should it be bound by what is and is not possible in RL?

I don't like it when people roleplay in neutral environments such as a shopping mall either - just as I don't like to see people suck face in public places in real life - but there isn't a whole lot I can do about it in either location, so long as their behavior is not strictly illegal. (In both cases the law of the land would supercede the private ownership's, in a public place.)

Because this isn't real life, you have tools and options here you don't have in real life.

And they were fine, it was your prejudice and dislike that was the problem. The land owner allows it, then you have the choice of muting and going on. Or move to a mall that doesn't allow it and speak with your lindens.

You do not have the power or right to dictate what is acceptable on the grid based on your prejudices.

Remember: SL is by definition a private playground. Public as in the usual definition does not apply in such a virtual environment.

The malls and sims are all privately owned, they are not public lands. They are private lands open to the public, with the landlord having a major say as long as things do not violate LL's rules.

Which is why a griefer can not AR a landowner for freezing and embarrassing them for being a twit on their land

Well, the Adult Content rules are going to take care of most of the inappropriate public stuff. And by the same token, if I or anyone else visits an Adult zoned sim, we can expect to see people nude, having sex, etc. If that's offensive, then the option is to leave. But the question is, should glorification of non-consensual sexual violence be acceptable on Adult zoned sims? My opinion is no, but IF it is to be allowed, the word "rape" should not be used and the roleplay/fantasy nature needs to be made extremely clear.

Which is what I was saying too. I must not have worded it well.

A landowner can ban anyone they want, and set sim rules, but their rules do not supercede LL's as far as ARing people.

And as far as a shopper goes, they can let the landowner and/or LL know of any pertinent 'violations' but that is about all. Just like in real life, 'tacky' isn't 'illegal.'

ALL those sims have a drop down menu you must click on, that you have read and understood A. the nature of the sim and the roleplay there and B. the sim rules.

Most also say: "If you object to this, LEAVE NOW."

Wrong

The adult rules are not in place, and likely will be unenforceable with the amount of mature content on the gird.

And you last is about as silly as saying I dislike hate being called such in rp/fantasy situation... and instead should be called something like superluvcuddles.

It's the word that best describes the situation even if it is virtual.

Or do you intend to go after kill, maim, murder, etc...



I think the biggest problem a rape victim has... is being treated as a victim and paraded around as mascot for a person's agenda to get rid of what they dislike...

They are survivors, and should be treated as people... not a damn mascot for someone's moral crusade to eradicate that which disturbs them..

Again, for those that missed it earlier, you can see which group is behind this cry of "outrage," their talking points and stated goals as written by their founder here in this post:
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On 2nd thought another thing:

1. You see it as glorification, but have slipped that word in there (I'm not saying consciously to this purpose) as if it IS such. Not everyone sees it as "glorifying" real life rape. A lot of people do not even seem to equate the two. You may but others do not.

2. If the animations there were NOT described accurately, then people WOULD have a legitimate beef against the sim - so it SHOULD be correctly labeled as what it is. But for what it's worth I don't know of any sims that are NAMED that. Described, is another thing. What should they describe it as? Dancing?

It is only IF they tell upfront what happens there, that anyone can hope to choose if that sim is where they wish to go, or where they wish to never go in a zillion virtual years.

I count myself as a feminist. And, all I can say to the whiner who started this thread and her coworkers is this:

You have to be a pretty poor excuse for a feminist if you expend grassroots organizing energy on purging all depictions of nonconsensual sex with women from an MMOG. Last time I checked, equal pay for equal work was not only stalled in the US, it had slid backwards! Last time I checked, RL sexual enslavement of women was on the rise, worldwide. Last time I checked, treatment of women with heart disease in the US still lagged treatment of men.

GROW UP! If you have energy to spend on feminist issues, spend it in RL!!!

OP, the fact that you are sparking a debate where leftists, your natural political allies, are arguing against you on the grounds of free speech, should indicate that this issue is low pay-off. Move on to something that matters.
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Hey, not all of us are leftists!!!!!!! *shakes fist*

Thanks, Talon, for the link - Here is a quote from what you've quoted of Ledoof (I pegged her as a hornet from the start, and I had hoped her first thread would just slide off the pages).



And she's against censorship?

And do these people not understand, or are they simply ignoring, that there are warnings, agreements to click, as well as the fact such sims must be sought out and teleported to in the first place? All of which, together with the necessity to emote, click on poseballs, and the option to teleport OUT or to quit running Second Life (in the instance of a cager, on some sims, all of which sims warn amply upon the avatar landing there) or to shut off their computer...ALL OF WHICH ARE DEFINED BY CONSENT.

Yep, I wish the fembos would just leave people the hell alone, people can go to them if they wish...