Inclusive Communities and Representations of Violence against Women

It's important to note that the position being advanced here does not merely segregate a behavior to the new Adult sims, but rather seeks to have it banned altogether as part of the "broadly offensive" extension to the Community Standards, as was done with sexual ageplay.

"Inclusive Communities"? Doubleplus bullshit.

Ian, these people do NOT represent all women. Or even all feminists (which term is supposed to mean, in favor of the rights of women).

Their rhetoric and agenda reads to me like some 'early' feminists who insisted all women should work outside the home, or women should never use their bodies to make a living in pornography or as 'exotic dancers'. Anyone who wanted to stay home, raise a family, and/or work in the sex industry was vilified.

Isn't a woman's own choice supposedly at the root of freedom, which is supposedly what the feminist movement was all about? That, and equal pay/equal rights, which as someone else pointed out, women are still waiting for.

This is so true. Crap like bashing sex on an internet game really gives feminism a bad name.

You know I could empathize with this thread much more if it didn't include the words AGAINST WOMEN. I see plenty of sexual images including violence against men too. I think the OP starts off from a place of devisiveness and prejudice. This is not a man issue or a women issue.

Even if you only consider violence against women... those women have fathers, husbands, sons that are impacted. Until we can get over this being a womens problem, I don't think we will make much headway in RL.

I am really sorry if you are so sensitive to this issue that these images bother you. Lots of things bother me too, but I have learned I don't get to dictate. I think if I was really bothered by something I would start to look for positive ways to influence. Find some like minded individuals. Open a gallary glorifying sex without violence. Choose to live together in a nice group somewhere where you can advertise a violent free lifestyle. Who knows you might build up a large community. Just try to think of one positive thing to help.

Ok steps off my soapbox.

Get used to it. It's the new pragmatism, all the rage in SL.

Playing devil's advocate for a moment - I don't see many depictions (actually, none) of violence against males in Second Life. Maybe I just don't know the search keywords.

What about those RL women who suffered violence against them who are at such sites to explore ways of taking back control? (Yes I know someone in that instance, it is possible). Don't assume that your self-righteousness allows you to speak for all women.

There is one BDSM group which says something along the lines of virtual rape is impossible because there is an off switch and also discourages it because it trivializes the real crime.

You are painting with a really broad brush.

<.< try being a cute kani boy in a skirt...

I have a steadily growing mute list of men and women...

Abso-fukcing-lutly.

Shane: kani boy?

And yes I agree it's obnoxious when someone tries to foist their ardor upon someone else, even virtually...Even in roleplay sims one is supposed to IM in a tepid way first, ask limits, etc. But some tackmeisters go up and just start with the lame advances, grid-wide. (Is that the type of forceplay the OP is in a lather about, I wonder? )

*reads Ian's post* *motions, and whispers* "PG forum! PG forum! Might wanna edit that post..."

Although I've seen entire threads on graphic sex acts so...Hee.

Kani is the cutest of the bunny avatars for furrys ( http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu175/shane_roxan/Snapshot_001.jpg )

And yeah... I tend to be rather polite and tell them it was unappreciated first... if they don't get the hint. Mute works wonders.

Now if I was in a place like CARP or the like, then yeah I wouldn't have a problem with it... but not when I'm shopping and get IM emotes like that.

I seem to recall this little thing in the pie menu with the title "mute". When you right click someone and hit that they stop moving, turn grey and you can't hear anything from them anymore...

Thats all the censorship powers one needs in SL....

If you want to live in "world peace" then buy your own sims and moderate it's visitors to your own perfect little non-abusive world. Ironically that would be more role play than rape sims.

Too pretty for me, I prefer to be just a bit homely and grounded. Gives me something to reflect on.

ITA. Tacky & gross.

(I can already hear the caucus over this - "She thinks THAT's tacky and gross? But not (example here) animation? ZOMG!"

Shrugs.

But but but.. I already got the pot boiling, and the carrots and herbs in it.. I just need a Kani-boi to finish the recipe... ;P

Ewww. Vore.

time and place

Besides, even in the proper time and place... I still get to know them a bit first. There is nothing non-consensual in SL... I have the mute button to opt out of their fun.

bunneh is not for eating!



snuggles now... bunneh good for them!

It would be discrimination to outlaw it, since there are obviously RL people of both sex who want it.



What if it was a woman dragging two woman? Or a woman dragging two men? Where do you draw the line. Personally, their RP should not be in a store unless it is a adult rated store, and even then they should be keeping their RP talk to IM's. My heartmate and I was out shopping once, and this Gor boy and his toy was there, and they were maxing out the local chat with their RP chatter... so she and I created a group called Disney Gor, I chained her, and we goofed on their RP continuously until they teleported away all pissed, promising AR's and Attacked and etc etc etc.. we both laughed until we couldn’t even type.

That is how you deal with rude behavior in public.. not trying to censor anything you thing is wrong, but holding it up for ridicule until they leave, or you do.

Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean no one should. Unless of course you are a deity. Are you?



And that is your right.. you do not have to allow it where you have control, and you can feel that it is wrong, work to teach against it.. but do not start censoring, else before we know it we all will be back to the blue ball AV, and able to only type approved words that if we are lucky is 100 words long.



Straw man.. there has been no proof that anything other than faulty mental processes cause anything. Not Movies, Rock and Roll, Fantasy Worlds, none of it. Lots of studies have been done, and the proof goes back and forth with no one able to truly prove anything.

As far as sex offenders go - if you were to spank you male child in public, and DFS was called, they could cite you for sexual harassment, and if you lost the case, you would be a Sex Offender.



Problem there is that SL is WORLD based, not just the States. What is taken as sexual harassment by one person is just flirting by another. Who gets to define what is and is not sexual harassment? The TOS already states that harassment is not allowed.. so if the receiver feel they have been harassed, sexually or otherwise, they can file a complaint.



Primarily because the alternative was worse. He was not elected because he was a black man, but because people felt he would do the best job.

LOL!! Well, this has been an amusing exercise! It would be funnier, however, were it not also a little sad.

I started this thread in the honest hope that I could initiate a dialogue about making communities in SL that are truly inclusive. For a while, I think, we did manage to engage, some of us, in reasonably constructive ways, as we clarified our own positions, and came a little closer. To those of you made an attempt to respond to me constructively, thank you. You have made this a worthwhile enterprise. I will freely admit that I have gained from the experience, and that my own views have shifted somewhat, albeit not seismically.

To those of you who seem far more determined to sniff out a feminist conspiracy, or who couldn't be bothered reading what I actually had written before attacking me, or who decided that name-calling and labeling were vastly more entertaining than engaging with my ideas . . . well, I'm not sure what to say, as you clearly won't listen anyway. I think for the most part that I managed to maintain an openness and civility in my discourse. I'm pretty sure I didn't name call (although I DO feel a little guilty about making fun of Chris Norse . . .), and I conceded points when I thought they were valid. For some of you, that appeared not to matter. Oh well, lesson learned.

For the record, I do know Ledoof. Indeed, we are quite friendly. This is hardly surprising; we share interests, and there aren't THAT many feminists groups in SL. And we have both contributed threads to this forum because we are both, individually, and as part of the SL Left Unity Feminist Network, concerned about the issues that the upcoming shift in classification raises. We were not, however, "under orders" to do so. Actually, the conspiracy theories have really been quite a hoot. I particularly liked the image of me as some sort of suicidal feminist foot soldier, thrown against the enemy bayonets as a kind of first wave in a massed attack against the champions of freedom, democracy, the American Way, Walmart, etc . . . Were it not so DEEPLY undignified for a SERIOUS feminist like myself to giggle, I would, indeed, be giggling. Freely.

As for Ayesha, I have never met or spoken to her. I would like to.

Feminist aren't allowed to giggle?!? That mean I have to turn in my union card?

I thought the whole point of being a feminist is to stand up for my rights to do what I want, as long as it hurts no one else. And I will always giggle when I feel like it!

Uh, that was irony, Kokoro. I assure you that I am giggling even now . . .

But you knew that, right?

Actually your start was decisive and meant to exclude a portion of the wider SL community because of something you felt should not be in SL that you had tools to avoid or ignore.




When someone claims to speak on behalf of a group, and has members of that group come forward against being used as mascots for their cause... you really need to step back and consider what you are doing.

In this thread and her's there have been survivors of rape come out and tell you to basically stop using them as mascots for your self-deceptive crusade of banning a type or RP that disturbs you.

If you can't giggle, it's sad thing. You should get help if you think a woman is not allowed to giggle...

A man can cry, a woman can giggle... to claim it's wrong for either to do so is to have deep seated issues with the nature of emotions and humanity.

Shane, I have no where made the claim to speak for any group; not for survivors of rape and abuse, nor even for the SLLU Feminist Network. I speak solely for myself here.

No group is monolithic in makeup and view, least of all feminists. I will candidly admit that there are many in the SLLU Fem Net who disagree with my own views; that is precisely why I did NOT identify myself as a spokeswoman for the group. The same must be said for rape survivors: their attitudes and views, shaped even as they are by their experiences, are as diverse as anyone's.

And, um, yes, thanks for the thoughtful advice regarding my inability to giggle. I'll be seeking professional help right away . . .