Inclusive Communities and Representations of Violence against Women

Just thinking out loud, but maybe having the statists here advocating their thought control is better than sending them to RL and and letting them convincie the elected idiots that they need to mandate chastity belts for everyone.

What are you talking about?

The "link" in this "definitive study on the link between extreme violence towards women and violent lyrics in music" is that some of the violent lyrics were about women? And this implies a causal relationship because some completely different study found that people who commit violent crimes against women tend to not like women very much?

I've never before had such respect for the scientific rigor of televangelism.

So you're in favor of thought-control role-play?

Clearly I am not Argent, and you guys seem to be already engaged in some discussion of this, but I'd still like to butt in and state that I don't believe this statement follows logically in any way.

To me, concern about any type of "slippery slope" can be restated simply as concern about likely results in the future should the current course of things be allowed to continue. The weight of the slippery slope argument and whether or not it might constitute "end of discussion" depends on the severity of these future results, and of course the likelihood that they'll actually happen as predicted.

It seems clear to me that one is perfectly justified in arguing passionately based on a slippery slope thesis if one feels the results are dire enough, but that doesn't imply that slippery slopes in and of themselves constitute perfectly defensible, impenetrable arguments. It's all in what the slope seems to be leading toward, how bad a place it is in one's personal opinion and whether that's really where things are headed.

"Consenting adults being prohibited from fantasizing however they darned well want" is one possible consequence of a certain course of action, and people will have varying opinions as to its likelihood and whether it's really that much worse than some alternative. "[insert statistic] percentage of legal pot smokers end up hooked on crank" is a possible consequence of an entirely different course of action, and people will likewise have their own opinions about that. The two things are unrelated though, and the use of a slippery slope argument in either case speaks only to the strength of the arguer's convictions in the matter, not to the perceived value of that particular type of argument.

Get it right... it would have to be Electrified Zapper chastity belts which fire off if you say or think something the wrong way

Gonna have to zap the eardrums too, we're banning violent music now as well.

Who you are talking to is who people choose to show themselves as; man, woman, ferret, dragon, badger, etc. Making sweeping generalizations of people who you know nothing about simply because they disagree with you is juvenile.

Unless or until I know someone well, I have no reason to assume they are anything other than what they portray themselves as in a fictional world.

If you want to be sure you are being a "sugar daddy" to actual females, then whatever floats your boat. Still, there has been no comment... don't they make voice changers?

But what Argent did not do is to state where he thought the end of that slippery slope was likely to be. The end of all pornography? The end of all thought? The end of all rights? You can be realistic, or go overboard to scare people into accepting your 'slippery slope' argument. I don't accept slippery slope arguments unless the slippery slope to 'where' is clearly stated, and sounds reasonable.

Rock

Yet this man goes out trying to scare us into thinking everyone that role plays violently (though with consenting partners) is going to turn into some rape machine in real life...

He also thinks violent music will Shane.

If I want to portray myself in a certain way in sl, it is my choice. I do not meddle with others idea of how their SL should be. I dont appreciate how some meddle with my idea of how I want my SL to be. Its a virtual world, fairly safe, and I just want to explore it my way as it was presentd to me when I joined. Those who dont like my choices, need to turn th other way or stay in the areas that promote your ideal of how you want to live you SL. Leave me and mine alone.

No, I think you'll find that LL have a say in your choices. Try forming a Nazi Group, and argue it's your choice, and then tell LL to leave you alone.

There are rules folks, comply with them or leave or be thrown out. I for one will be supporting the moves to ban depictions of extreme violence towards women in SL, and I know I have the full support of those in my sims too. This is our democratic right, and I will vote for such a ban.

Rock

Some place beyond the point where innocent people are swept up in the avalanche, because that's already happening. Once it's gone that far, it's gone too far.

Call the group "SL Police" and all they'll do is tell you to change the "SL" part of it.

How about it ends at what Rock thinks is right for all of us? Sound reasonable to you?

I have stated, time, and time, and time again in this forum the 3 things I would have banned, that is the start, and the end, of my slippery slope. Easy to grasp, isn't it?

Rock

Bottom Line for me.

They can preach and debate all day long. It means Nothing. With all the precious time they spent debating this subject....they accomplished nothing. Either side. Calculate how many minutes were spent reading 70 pages by a long list of people.....and the time spent to reply.....wow....what a valuable resource they had there, to do something.....gone now. I just wasted an hour trying to walk away with something.

To OP....tell me what you're doing for your cause in RL....actions...not words....and I'll be more inclined to listen to you in SL. Start preaching to me about what you want to do in SL...and I'll simply think that you're another lost soul who lost touch with the real world... who needs to turn the computer off and go back to reality.

Organizing the above passionate people to make a valuable contribution with their Time in Real Life.....now that would have made a difference....and something worth preaching about.....it's also your responsibility prior to preaching for a "cause"....to offer methods of actions not just a platform for words.

I estimated a bare minimum of about 200 hours wasted on this thread by a group of passionate people. Imagine how those hours could have been used for RL actions.

Are we to be treated like children unable to make our own choices?

I mean seriously, I haven't seen this level of BS over protecting us poor females since I was last in high school health class and given the damn abstenance speeches...

You think it's porn, music, or a game that makes someone do something?

How retarded are ya?

That is about as dumb as saying a weapon made someone kill, a damn carving knife didn't pick itself up and jab itself into me five times. My damn boyfriend did. Oh they tred to get him off saying it was the rap music and movies he watched... he's still in a florida prison (life, no getting out on parole either) so see how much the jury believed it was anything but his own damn choice to do it.

You see far worse things on the damn news daily, and see these apoligists saying what amounts to "well Sam did it because his dog told him to" and then seek to ban dogs... it's their decision to do it! If they have poor impulse control or otherwise sick in the head, get them treatment or lock them away if it can't be fixed. It wasn't the damn dog that made them do it.

After all if this is about morals and protecting us poor defenseless women, lets make sure we do it right.

So lets make it so anyone that isn't partnered and has cybersex with someone (or someone other than their partner) is subject to an AR for poor morals. After all marriage is sacred, and you should only have sex with your married mate. Oh and since it's not legal to marry the same gender in many areas, make it so only man and woman can be partnered.

Lets get rid of anything that is not mainstream, nothing but missionary pose balls. Ban all that BDSM stuff, since most normal people are not into that. Can't have sex with animals either, so neko and furry has to go too... deviant souls like that.

Make it so nobody can refer to anyone as a pet, that dehumanizes them... makes them seem like some possesion for a master. Got to get rid of those sims offering a safe haven for escaped slaves and such... too many are just hellholes where the 'helpers' are just predators that offer candy to entice the poor victims into the van.

A real feminist would not be trying this crap, she'd be out trying to help a real person not pixels on a screen. If anything this hurts women more than anything.

A woman in sl has all the power we need. We have all the same power and abilites as a man, we control the situation even more than close minded folks think.

Reminds me of the ones that told me a BJ was wrong and made me subserviant to the male... my answer. I asked her who had the teeth...

You see something that bothers you on private land that doesn't belong to you. Leave
If it's your land, eject and ban.

Simple

If it's one person giving you a hard time, mute them. If they find a way to still be a pest AR them for harrasment

So kindly take your intolerant attitudes and throw them away and open your eyes.

SL isn't real life, what happens in SL doesn't affect real life except for maybe one trillionth of a percent of those that use it. So for the ultra tiny percent of users that might respond one way... lets make it a super disney land!

Of course someone that wants to view extreme porn and the like... just has to open google for a fix. It's all over the net... including the real killing, maiming, and rapes... But you're going after SL... Are your heads screwed on right, I mean come on!

Oh I imagine I'll be declared a pedo after posting this cosnidering how the thread reads so let me break it down: you hurt a child, a real child not a digital image... and if I caught you... you would wish to god the cops shoot you and grant you a merciful death. But if you can get your fix with a digital image (not one of a real child being abused) and therefore don't need to fight the urge to snatch a child ... I sure as hell hope you find what you need or get help first.

As for getting on voice for mr master with his pet sim ... you want me on voice, I want every bit of your personal information including bank account numbers and passwords before I even consider it. And after that is all verified, I might consider it. Basically you put up your money to hear my mouth tell you that you're scum of the worst kind, delusional to the point of wanting to be a knight in shiny armor to sweep in and defend us poor defenseless girls... never mind we'd likely stomp ya into the ground as a sexist pig for your labeling us such.


And just so folks know, several are posting links in various places which is how I heard about the bs

Wow, that is a lot of stuff there, and such an intimate knowledge of SL, for someone who joined May 2009.

Strange smell of alt around here, don't you think?

Rock

How long did it take your educated self to figure out how to use mute, teleport and abuse reports?

If it took you years, I am sorry your parents dropped you so many times.

Even if one Rock in an avalanche knows where they want to settle, that doesn't mean they know where the bottom of the slope is.

We interrupt our regularly scheduled thread for this report from our cub troll reporter, Rock. Rock, what is the situation in this thread?



Thank you, Rock, for that insight.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

Something smells every time you post, but it's not the scent of alt. Reminds me a drive through farm country, actually.

especially since the boy (I'll not insult men) doesn't realize many have been in sl longer than they have been on the forums..

I've seen you make comments like this before, and I guess I ought to have said something then.

FYI: The join date shown in the forums is the month they first used the forums, not the month they joined Second Life.