Those are actually the first questions that you have asked which are relevant to the discussion. If either of those poseball sets were created and then used against someone who identified themselves as a Jewish or a female avatar (i.e. outside the homes of those particular avies), then it would fall under harrassment.
There should be total freedom in SL according to the rules set forth by LL in the TOS and CS. It's their company and their rules.
Areas that should be a no-go are sensationalistic arguments and mind numbing statistics which have nothing to do with SL. If I wanted those, I would be getting my news from FOX. Apply this issue to a fictional world if you truly think something should change. I am still unconvinced, particularly as to what the issue is other than censorship.
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05-25-2009 02:53
Those are actually the first questions that you have asked which are relevant to the discussion. If either of those poseball sets were created and then used against someone who identified themselves as a Jewish or a female avatar (i.e. outside the homes of those particular avies), then it would fall under harrassment. There should be total freedom in SL according to the rules set forth by LL in the TOS and CS. It's their company and their rules. Areas that should be a no-go are sensationalistic arguments and mind numbing statistics which have nothing to do with SL. If I wanted those, I would be getting my news from FOX. Apply this issue to a fictional world if you truly think something should change. I am still unconvinced, particularly as to what the issue is other than censorship. By 'areas which are no-go' I meant activities which should NOT be tolerated in SL. You mentioned that Nazism is the most extreme, so I take it that you think Nazism should be banned in SL? If that is the case, what do you consider to be the next most extreme, and should that be banned, etc. In the Community Standards the number 1 of the big 6 is Intolerance. Listed in there is race, fair enough, Nazis should be banned, they are intolerant to a particular race, but so is gender, so should misogynists who whack off to the sight of women being raped, tortured, mutilated, and murdered be OK, or not? How much loathing of women does a man have to exhibit before he can be considered intolerant of women? Rock |
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05-25-2009 03:03
The year after I was raped, the program I was in at school had a semester program in a fairly isolated place where we had to all live and work together. (Think 'Real World' on crack). By complete random circumstances, I was in the program with 14 guys.
When the Instructor found out what happened to me, he not only wanted the rest of the group to know, but also to treat me as the poor victim. As I was still hurt from what had happened, this was all too easy to fall into. It also made a physically grueling course that much harder. As there were certain rules the program had to follow, the dorm rooms could not be co-ed. I had a room and bathroom to myself while 14 guys (with more stuff than most women I know) were crammed into three rooms and 1 bathroom. In order to alleviate some of the chaos, I let them store things in my room and share my bathroom when I wasn't using it. Unfortunately, porn became an issue. I try to live a life where I don't regret things. I do regret how that was handled. In a hypersensitive environment it became: Men who like porn=BAD. No discussion. If I had the chance to do it over again, it would have simply been "ya'll are slobs. Please pick up your body hair, socks, food, underwear and porn when you are done." Like the 14 guys in the above example, the people I have met in pornlands have been some of the most intelligent and caring I have ever met. I never gave those guys a chance to defend themselves and it ruined a lot of friendships that I had had for years. Perhaps SL is partly my chance to do it right this time. Its not about getting rid of what offends you, or challenging someone else as to what they would allow. Its certainly not about insinuating that anyone who disagrees with you is the most extreme possible. It is simply live and let live. _____________________
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Melodie Darwin
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05-25-2009 03:14
By 'areas which are no-go' I meant activities which should NOT be tolerated in SL. You mentioned that Nazism is the most extreme, so I take it that you think Nazism should be banned in SL? If that is the case, what do you consider to be the next most extreme, and should that be banned, etc. In the Community Standards the number 1 of the big 6 is Intolerance. Listed in there is race, fair enough, Nazis should be banned, they are intolerant to a particular race, but so is gender, so should misogynists who whack off to the sight of women being raped, tortured, mutilated, and murdered be OK, or not? How much loathing of women does a man have to exhibit before he can be considered intolerant of women? Rock And I said what should not be tolerated. Using anything to specifically be harrassing, intolerant etc of somebody else is a governance issue. When I said Nazism is the most extreme, I said it was the most extreme group you could mention. It was nothing more than a sensationalistic derail to talking about individual expression. You see what you want regardless of what was said. I do not believe in banning or censorship. In an adult environment, we should all have the maturity to have basic respect for other people. If something makes someone uncomfortable (as has been stated repeatedly) LEAVE. If necessary, file an AR. As for your last question, I would say that someone requires voice to believe someone is female, and implies anyone he doesn't agree with is a guy is somewhere between insecure and intolerant. _____________________
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Rock Vacirca
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05-25-2009 03:19
The year after I was raped, the program I was in at school had a semester program in a fairly isolated place where we had to all live and work together. (Think 'Real World' on crack). By complete random circumstances, I was in the program with 14 guys. When the Instructor found out what happened to me, he not only wanted the rest of the group to know, but also to treat me as the poor victim. As I was still hurt from what had happened, this was all too easy to fall into. It also made a physically grueling course that much harder. As there were certain rules the program had to follow, the dorm rooms could not be co-ed. I had a room and bathroom to myself while 14 guys (with more stuff than most women I know) were crammed into three rooms and 1 bathroom. In order to alleviate some of the chaos, I let them store things in my room and share my bathroom when I wasn't using it. Unfortunately, porn became an issue. I try to live a life where I don't regret things. I do regret how that was handled. In a hypersensitive environment it became: Men who like porn=BAD. No discussion. If I had the chance to do it over again, it would have simply been "ya'll are slobs. Please pick up your body hair, socks, food, underwear and porn when you are done." Like the 14 guys in the above example, the people I have met in pornlands have been some of the most intelligent and caring I have ever met. I never gave those guys a chance to defend themselves and it ruined a lot of friendships that I had had for years. Perhaps SL is partly my chance to do it right this time. Its not about getting rid of what offends you, or challenging someone else as to what they would allow. Its certainly not about insinuating that anyone who disagrees with you is the most extreme possible. It is simply live and let live. Thank you for that insight. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy porn as much as the next man. However, there is some porn I find disturbing, such as child porn, animal porn, and violence towards women porn, which to me is all about degradation and humiliation, not sex. One of the girls who joined our RP sim had suffered a very nasty serious sexual assault in RL, had very low self-esteem. One of the Ladies in in our sim took her shopping for poseballs, and the girl got very upset when she saw several rape poseball sets. We do not use that store anymore. Can you empathise with that girl, or do you think she was over-reacting? (I am not being provocative here, I would value your view). Rock |
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Ryanna Enfield
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05-25-2009 03:31
Jezebella, you really need to get a grip. Japan also has far fewer robberies, car crime, and alcohol abuse than the US. Please explain how the availability of violent porn in Japan affects those? This is simply not true. Major factors in the crime statistics in Japan, compared with the US relate to culture. They have much less gun crime, for example, because Japan has strict gun-controls. They also have much higher crime detection rates than in the US, this also deters would-be criminals (as does, paradoxically, the control the organised crime sydicates have over individual crime). The Japanese culture, where honor and group harmony are central to their lives, plays a huge part in the crime figures. Japan is quite densely packed, but there is a profusion of small police stations everywhere. Some info on crime in Japan is here: http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/crime.html Using Japan to illustrate statistics, to prove a point in the US, is just a non-starter, and Diamond makes a huge mistake in attempting to do so. It is way more complex than that. All crime in Japan has shown a general decline since the 70s, is all this because violent porn and child porn are not illegal to possess? Most of the crime statistics were culled from the 1990s, and times have moved on since then. Crimes against children were low, but consider that Japan only outlawed paying for sex with children in 1999, and possession of child porn is still legal. Grooming children for sex via internet chat rooms is still not banned in Japan. This may also explain why their sex-crime figures are low, a lot of what we ban is still legal there. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia-pacific/2209084.stm If you want to assess the effect of the legal status of child porn in Japan, consider the huge amount of child prostitution that goes on there, compared with the US, if you must. "Being among the technologically elite, Japan’s sex crimes in 2004 had a lot to do with technology. Many a youth, primarily female, were out there on websites offering themselves semi-anonymously for rent. Particularly in Japan, where picture phones and phones with internet connectivity have now long been around, the government has had a hard time keeping up with the technologically advanced youth. In the first six months of 2004 police made 371 arrests involving child prostitution. During the same period, 785 were apprehended in relation to dating websites. Of those, 221 involved high school girls and 182 from junior high schools. From September 13, 2003 Japan enforced a law banning such internet websites where young people under 18 offered themselves or if someone offers money for sex with a minor. One man was arrested for seeking minors for sex. One prefecture, Miyagi prefecture, reported that child prostitution had increased 800% since the enforcement of the anti-child prostitution and pornography law in 2000. " Source: http://www.japanlaw.info/law2004/JAPAN_LAW_2004_SEX_CRIMES_SEX_CRIMES.html Do you think that the numbers of schoolgirls offering sex for money could have something to do with the demand? And what factors would you say contributes to that high demand? You might also want to consider the crime statistics in the developed world only, for a better comparison. If Japan has the lowest set of crime statistics in the developed world, then the US has the highest, you might want to reflect on the reasons for the US holding that lofty position. Rock Just out of curiousity, have you ever lived in Japan? It certainly brings a whole lot more to light than just reading statistics and hyped up stories. There are more than 127 million people in Japan. Rape and violence occur in every Country, so why the focus on just Japan? Do you believe Japan is an uncivilized country? _____________________
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Rock Vacirca
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05-25-2009 03:39
As for your last question, I would say that someone requires voice to believe someone is female, and implies anyone he doesn't agree with is a guy is somewhere between insecure and intolerant. Please allow me to explain that. It is cynical, I admit, but it is borne out of experience. We must have had hundreds come to our sims over the last three years, and in the early days it became apparent that many of the 'girls' in our sim were no such thing. Some of us had become good friends in RL by this time (6 months in), and were using Skype, and were comfortable with each other. Some of the girls had given up on guys altogether, except as platonic friends. Some formed SL relationships with each other. When a girl who has been abused, turns to another female for comfort, companionship, and maybe romance, can you imagine the shock, the anger etc, when they find that the 'girl' they had trusted was in fact a man? We started to draw up plans and techniques to weedle thse guys out during the interview and probation period phases. It staggered us to find that typically out of 10 applicants, only 2 or 3 were in fact female. (I shan't reveal all of our techniques to discover this here, as we still employ them from time to time). Then SL voice came along, and we all took the decision (unanimous) to ask for voice verification at a random time during the probation period. Guess what, 70-80% of applicants refused, which matched our earlier, non-voice findings. So, call me cynical if you wish, but I believe it is well known (not just to me) through multiple forum threads that the numbers of guys logging into Sl as a female avi is quite common, so when 'females' join a thread centring on the depiction of violence towards women, and they say "I am a woman, and I enjoy it', please excuse my scepticism. I have already picked up on one such 'female' who quite clearly let his guard down and lapsed into being a guy in some earlier threads, and came with this 'I am a woman and...' in this one. I don't dismiss all women as guys in these sorts of discussions, at all, but I think a healthy dose of scepticism is required, it is borne out of experience. Rock |
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Rock Vacirca
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05-25-2009 03:41
Just out of curiousity, have you ever lived in Japan? It certainly brings a whole lot more to light than just reading statistics and hyped up stories. There are more than 127 million people in Japan. Rape and violence occur in every Country, so why the focus on just Japan? Do you believe Japan is an uncivilized country? No I have not lived there, visited, yes. I lived in China. The only reason I am discussing Japan is because another poster raised the subject of sex crime figures in Japan, and their link or lack of link to pornography. I think Japan is a highly civilised country, but I abhor the infatuation that many men have there for sex with children, and child porn. Rock |
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Ryanna Enfield
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05-25-2009 03:47
One of the girls who joined our RP sim had suffered a very nasty serious sexual assault in RL, had very low self-esteem. One of the Ladies in in our sim took her shopping for poseballs, and the girl got very upset when she saw several rape poseball sets. We do not use that store anymore. Can you empathise with that girl, or do you think she was over-reacting? (I am not being provocative here, I would value your view). Rock I can definitely empathize. But you have done exactly the right thing here which was *We do not use that store anymore*. This is the same kind of reaction I would expect had you taken her to a movie and were not aware there was a violent rape scene in it. I would think, it being uncomfortable, she would walk out. This is a normal reaction and one I would expect. I have done this in a movie myself before. I did not drag my husband or the rest of the audience out with me and tell them they couldn't watch the remainder of the movie because it offended me. I didn't need to go back to the theatre and protest their showing of a very popular movie at the time and try to have the movie banned because I objected to one of the scenes within it. _____________________
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Melodie Darwin
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05-25-2009 04:10
I can definitely empathize. But you have done exactly the right thing here which was *We do not use that store anymore*. This is the same kind of reaction I would expect had you taken her to a movie and were not aware there was a violent rape scene in it. I would think, it being uncomfortable, she would walk out. This is a normal reaction and one I would expect. I have done this in a movie myself before. I did not drag my husband or the rest of the audience out with me and tell them they couldn't watch the remainder of the movie because it offended me. I didn't need to go back to the theatre and protest their showing of a very popular movie at the time and try to have the movie banned because I objected to one of the scenes within it. That. This goes back to what I said about alternatives. Just because one thing is objectionable to one person does not make it objectionable to all. Take your money elsewhere. Create something different. Those who need/want/enjoy whatever will find their way a particular community. Personally, I would hope that I experience many different communities and enjoy many different types of people who I am proud to have as my friends. If something is not my particular preference, I don't do it. When I am in SL, there are about 1,000,000,000 things I would like to do, people to see etc. If I get to do 12-cool. We all have a teleport home button if something is uncomfortable and the abiity to remember/ make a personal list of places to not return to. One thing that will never be on my list is dictating the censorship of someone else's time in SL. _____________________
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Rock Vacirca
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05-25-2009 04:10
I can definitely empathize. But you have done exactly the right thing here which was *We do not use that store anymore*. This is the same kind of reaction I would expect had you taken her to a movie and were not aware there was a violent rape scene in it. I would think, it being uncomfortable, she would walk out. This is a normal reaction and one I would expect. I have done this in a movie myself before. I did not drag my husband or the rest of the audience out with me and tell them they couldn't watch the remainder of the movie because it offended me. I didn't need to go back to the theatre and protest their showing of a very popular movie at the time and try to have the movie banned because I objected to one of the scenes within it. Excellent point. I would love to continue this, but unfortunately I now have lunch, and a rather lengthy presentation to give. Maybe later. Rock |
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Ian Nider
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05-25-2009 04:39
I have stated, time, and time, and time again in this forum the 3 things I would have banned, that is the start, and the end, of my slippery slope. Easy to grasp, isn't it? Rock Yeh and it's not sane. like the crazy old man peeping into the bedroom windows to see if any ones doing it, it being what YOU think is wrong... If I were as self righteous as you, I'd ban you too. _____________________
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Gator Peterman
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05-25-2009 04:44
Brenda, I think I addressed this in my original posting, which I'll just repeat here: "I am not equating SL depictions of rape with RL rape. Yes, SL rape is a sim; yes, in most cases it is probably consensual. I am concerned about the REPRESENTATION of rape, not the whether it may or may not be actually occurring in SL." . I am sure you are equally concerned about the REPRESENTATION of killing and slaughtering of people in all those hollywood productions...ah, no, of course not, that's just 'acting', it's not real...everyone knows that...silly me |
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Mickey Vandeverre
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05-25-2009 05:29
The year after I was raped, the program I was in at school had a semester program in a fairly isolated place where we had to all live and work together. (Think 'Real World' on crack). By complete random circumstances, I was in the program with 14 guys. When the Instructor found out what happened to me, he not only wanted the rest of the group to know, but also to treat me as the poor victim. As I was still hurt from what had happened, this was all too easy to fall into. It also made a physically grueling course that much harder. As there were certain rules the program had to follow, the dorm rooms could not be co-ed. I had a room and bathroom to myself while 14 guys (with more stuff than most women I know) were crammed into three rooms and 1 bathroom. In order to alleviate some of the chaos, I let them store things in my room and share my bathroom when I wasn't using it. Unfortunately, porn became an issue. I try to live a life where I don't regret things. I do regret how that was handled. In a hypersensitive environment it became: Men who like porn=BAD. No discussion. . Thank you for sharing. If I had the chance to do it over again, it would have simply been "ya'll are slobs. Please pick up your body hair, socks, food, underwear and porn when you are done." Like the 14 guys in the above example, the people I have met in pornlands have been some of the most intelligent and caring I have ever met. I never gave those guys a chance to defend themselves and it ruined a lot of friendships that I had had for years. Perhaps SL is partly my chance to do it right this time. Its not about getting rid of what offends you, or challenging someone else as to what they would allow. Its certainly not about insinuating that anyone who disagrees with you is the most extreme possible. It is simply live and let live. I wish more could grasp this. There is opportunity to grow and understand......if one will leave their judgments at the log in screen. I'm not sure how I ended up on a few of those sims....curiosity probably.....but rather than judge....I just watched and listened. I'm not sure why some of those men and women are there.....might not ever figure it out. But most are not there for the reasons that someone would come up with based on a snap judgment.....an uninformed judgment. There won't be many other opportunities to explore that....other than a venue such as SL. It's relatively harmless here, to walk in with an open mind....no threat of physical danger, a button to click off within a second...... ....if someone has to worry about the danger of mental harm.....they probably shouldn't be using SL in the first place. If they are not emotionally equipped to see a rape scene....a bdsm scene....a slave on a chain.....in a virtual world.... .....then they are probably not emotionally equipped to handle a handsome guy in a tux at the dance club who is going to charm their skirt off....play on their emotions for weeks.....use them merely to fulfill their own physical and emotional needs.....then rip their heart out and shred it to pieces. Abuse can be found on any sim....in any form..... |
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Shane Roxan
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05-25-2009 06:02
The reason poor Rock has problems with Japan
Is because his argument that porn (of any type really) causes more incidents fails... He held up the percents as proof that Japan was just as bad... Was forced to pose numbers, and then had the numbers reposted after he picked only the ones that helped. He's definitely one who wants to be a top, but a protective one... anyone that is not a poor weak lady is too much for him to handle... is a guy. It's never crossed his mind many would refuse to get on voice with him because they see him as a freak, a control freak.... And there are hate groups allowed in SL, sims that are pure racist or religiously biased But... we all have the tools to teleport, mute, and if need be quit SL (or any other online instance..) He fails to realize that his favorite pose ball set can be used in violent role play! A cuddle pose that he or the op adores can be part of it... It's called non-consensual roleplay. It can be violent or as simple as using treats to make the partner relax and feel like they need to do something to please... _____________________
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Paracelsus Schonberg
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05-25-2009 06:25
This from another thread:
Can't answer you directly, but I guess the Scripting Forum would be the best place to ask. Lots of guys there have C++ experience. Rock Let's see . . . how should we interpret its meaning? Even though you have not a clue about programming, you decided to post an answer to show your bias against women by saying "guys have . . . experience" therefore "gals do not have experience." Or Gals do have experience, but you won't recognize their abilities because in your world guys are the dominate gender and gals should not be recognized for their accomplishments because intelligent women would present a threat to your established world view. Or You really are not careful with your words and meant to say: "Many people have experience." Or You are unconscious about the power and meaning of words, and only care how you sound in your own mind as the words roll off your tongue pretending to be like many great orators, and that you can write and say anything so others will be in awe of your self-perceived command of language. Or Let's hear your own explanation as to the reason for posting there and using those particular words. |
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Rock Vacirca
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05-25-2009 06:32
Yeh and it's not sane. like the crazy old man peeping into the bedroom windows to see if any ones doing it, it being what YOU think is wrong... If I were as self righteous as you, I'd ban you too. Well one of my three, ageplay, has already been banned in SL. We’ve had a number of questions from Residents regarding Second Life’s policy regarding sexual “ageplay,” i.e., depictions of or engagement in sexualized conduct with avatars that resemble children. This practice has been disallowed in recognition of our Community Standards, complaints from Residents, and international laws, so it’s important to understand the definitions. Under our Community Standards policy, real-life images, avatar portrayals, and other depictions of sexual or lewd acts involving or appearing to involve children or minors are not allowed within Second Life. When detected, individuals and groups promoting or providing such content and activities will be subject to sanctions, which may include termination of accounts, closure of groups, removal of content, and loss of land or access to land.... Linden Lab reserves the right to immediately terminate the accounts of Residents who violate these standards. If you read the forums at the time it is clear that an overwhelming majority of forum members supported the ban too. Not sane? Tell LL. Crazy old man? Tell LL Self-Righteous? Tell LL If the insanity is too much for you to bear, you know where the door is. The other two on my list, depictions of animal sex and extreme violence towards women also share with two of the three reasons LL gave for the ageplay ban, ie. complaints from Residents, and international laws, so don't be too surprised..... Rock |
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Rock Vacirca
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05-25-2009 06:34
This from another thread: Let's see . . . how should we interpret its meaning? Even though you have not a clue about programming, you decided to post an answer to show your bias against women by saying "guys have . . . experience" therefore "gals do not have experience." Or Gals do have experience, but you won't recognize their abilities because in your world guys are the dominate gender and gals should not be recognized for their accomplishments because intelligent women would present a threat to your established world view. Or You really are not careful with your words and meant to say: "Many people have experience." Or You are unconscious about the power and meaning of words, and only care how you sound in your own mind as the words roll off your tongue pretending to be like many great orators, and that you can write and say anything so others will be in awe of your self-perceived command of language. Or Let's hear your own explanation as to the reason for posting there and using those particular words. Get a grip. The word 'guys' is unisex nowadays. See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/guy guy 1 /gaɪ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [gahy] Show IPA noun, verb, guyed, guy⋅ing. –noun 1. Informal. a man or boy; fellow: He's a nice guy. 2. Usually, guys. Informal. persons of either sex; people: Could one of you guys help me with this? Pathetic. Another idiot for the Ignore List. Rock |
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Paracelsus Schonberg
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05-25-2009 06:37
Get a grip. The word 'guys' is unisex nowadays. Pathetic. Rock |
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Chris Norse
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05-25-2009 06:40
Get a grip. The word 'guys' is unisex nowadays. See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/guy guy 1 /gaɪ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [gahy] Show IPA noun, verb, guyed, guy⋅ing. –noun 1. Informal. a man or boy; fellow: He's a nice guy. 2. Usually, guys. Informal. persons of either sex; people: Could one of you guys help me with this? Pathetic. Another idiot for the Ignore List. Rock The rest of the world hasn't caught up with your Newspeak. The unisex is used to address a mixed group. You were not addressing a group, so a reasonable person would think you were referring to males. _____________________
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Paracelsus Schonberg
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05-25-2009 06:44
The rest of the world hasn't caught up with your Newspeak. He can't think for himself and so googles for justifications. Thinking takes energy; why think when others can do it for you? |
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Rock Vacirca
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05-25-2009 06:48
The rest of the world hasn't caught up with your Newspeak. The unisex is used to address a mixed group. You were not addressing a group, so a reasonable person would think you were referring to males. Unisex is used to either address a mixed group, or to refer to a mixed group. So can the word 'guys'. 'The guys in the Scripting forum'. 'Hey guys, can one of you help this dude.' You are wrong, a reasonable person would not infer males alone at all. You need to get a good dictionary, if the simple words are beyond you. Rock |
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Paracelsus Schonberg
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05-25-2009 06:56
'The guys in the Scripting forum'. 'Hey guys, can one of you help this dude.' Rock "The gals in the scripting forum." That is not unisex, is it. You have such a marvelously little mind, Rock. |
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Shane Roxan
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05-25-2009 07:06
Get a grip. The word 'guys' is unisex nowadays. See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/guy guy 1 /gaɪ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [gahy] Show IPA noun, verb, guyed, guy⋅ing. –noun 1. Informal. a man or boy; fellow: He's a nice guy. 2. Usually, guys. Informal. persons of either sex; people: Could one of you guys help me with this? Pathetic. Another idiot for the Ignore List. Rock Actually the correct use would be: The folks in the scripting forums, or the people in the scripting forum I think that is why he labels some guys... they don't have the "ooh show me how to use the little mouse thingy again" lack of smarts in computers, or they actually have knowledge of things he thinks women shouldn't be involved in... _____________________
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Rem Nightfire
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05-25-2009 07:14
The original poster said this: I was not comparing, merely pointing out that that the choices in SL are limited by the LL TOS and CS. I am glad that you agree with me, that some choices are not to be tolerated in SL. If I have made a mistake, and you are not agreeing with me on this point, then list the things that you think should not be tolerated in SL: 1. Being a Nazi and propogating Nazi material, 2. what else..... and if Nazis shout 'free speech', 'free expression', you would reply with what, exactly? Rock There is a difference between "being" something, and propagating hate. As much as I loathe Nazism, if someone wants to think of themselves as a Nazi, thats really none of my business. When they go public with their hate, then it is my, and the law's, business. The same goes for the choices consenting adults make here in SL. What people do in private is just that - private. And its none of anyone's business. In fact, if its truly private, it is unknown right? Unless of course one wishes to spend their time caming into people's homes to see if the standards of decency one has defined for everyone are being upheld (which btw IS illegal in RL). |