Inclusive Communities and Representations of Violence against Women

See now we ban music too.

So you decline to answer whether or not you consider a labeling of any proposed change as 'slippery slope' to be equivalent to 'this may no longer be discussed'....?

Oh it keeps being discussed to death.

The thing is: It is not going as planned for those seeking to change things.

We've never banned anything successfully. It just doesn't work.

No humans, no rape or violence.

Course a more humane way would be to have everyone spend their life drugged to the gills and in padded rooms

Hehe, now we're getting somewhere! Problem solved.

If you read the quoted report virtually all the violent and demeaning lyrics were aimed at women.

Other reports, posted previously, argue that the increase in violent attacks on women stem from the worsening attitude of men towards women, and the quoted report provides evidence of a change in attitude (for the worse) after listening to these kind of lyrics. So, I believe it has everything to do with extreme violence towards women.

Rock

What leads you to believe that?

Oh, was that what you were asking? I thought you were just muddying the waters. Like you were when you were playing semantic games to defend Rock's clear insinuendos on the grounds that if you changed his words slightly you could read them to mean something other than what, in later comments, he's confirmed he actually meant.

Since you can label anything a slippery slope, whether it's anywhere near the angle of repose or not, I can't say "a labeling of any proposed change as 'slippery slope' to be equivalent to 'this may no longer be discussed'."

However when people can point to the fact that we're already IN a slippery slope situation, complete with examples of false positives from the kind of proposal in question, and that this particular slippery slope is explicitly cautioned against in the history and political background of most countries modern enough to have a constitution (and a good many that don't), it seems to me that there's good reason to draw attention to it... and to expect an honest response to include some more substantial and directly relevant content than "oh no, you're making a slippery slope argument".

Edit: To make it perfectly clear, an honest response would be "oh no, there's no slippery slope here because X, Y, and Z" or "this proposal doesn't lead towards the slippery slope because A, B, and C"... and you probably want these reasons to be strong enough to pass the Simpsons Test.

Who has the keys though? Have you really thought this through?

Rock

Because most are against it in these threads....

So the community sees those trying to restrict consensual acts of role playing to be wrong.

Great. Racists and bigots of all kinds just have to put their hate mesages to song, and as far as are concerned, problem solved?

Rock

Which is why anihilation of humanity is the best course.

you are allowed to type your hateful words and dialoge.... so why should they not be allowed?

The superintelligent robots, of course. Doh.

Not true, old black metal (circa 1990) is aimed with real aggression at religion. I've barely heard a reference to women in it. Actually I do remember one love song to the earth & the night time moon, which is kind of feminine.

Well if you shut up with your hate, I'll agree, rap can go too.

anyone else notice... he has posted to answer comments after he was asked to pose real numbers and not percents...


He's avoiding it


wonder why

Nothing, it is not the government's place to change attitudes.

"The community"???? Really???????

Twenty or twenty-five* people? Out of the tens of thousands who spend time in SL each day?







*Let's be kind and assume that few alts are being used to chime in with agreement to bolster those numbers, shaky as that assumption might be. Any Linden who happened to wander into the thread might note, however, that one fo the three or four most frequent posters defending depictions of violence against women has a Join Date of this month, yet betrays knowledge of SL that seems to go beyond 24 days-worth. Such a Linden might marvel at the courage of courageously posting under a brand new name instead of a name that might be better known, courageously avoiding any and all consequences of his or her actions, courageously!

No doubt that hypothetical Linden will be reminded of the immortal voice of Neil Innes, singing:

Brave Sir Robin ran away
Bravely, ran away...away...
When danger reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin

So in any particular 24 hour period, if someone posts something to you and you don't reply for, say, 8 hours....

You're avoiding answering?

Like they are pro ban, lol.

Hmm, if you mean me miss.

You might take a good look at what I post isn't knowledge of SL, but of the real world.

Might want to talk to a good doctor about an inability to separate reality from fantasy in regards to MMOs

He's had plenty of chances to post after it, you have been upset when your posts are not answered in a timely manner miss.

So why is it alright for you to pitch a fit on waiting for an answer when people skip past your posts...

The fact of the matter is, Second Life is an opt-in, totally consentual platform. In real life, there are places that are unfortunately unavoidable, and so rape and violence happen. However, since Second Life is consentual as soon as you decide to log-in, then no one can claim they are being forced to do anything in SL. I'm sorry, but Second Life is optional, real life, is not. Like listening to music, or reading books, or even watching a movie, you are free to turn it off, close it, or even walk out. When you can argue that Second Life is mandatory, such as those forced to live in places like Darfur, then you might have my sympathetic ear.

It is nice that some of you are so passionate about violence against women. But your passion would be so much more useful if re-directed towards a real life cause. To that end, I really hope you do spend your time focusing outside of SL where the real rape and violence is happening as we speak.