Inclusive Communities and Representations of Violence against Women

Well the problem is they don't want an actual debate. They just want the pretense of a debate so they can preach at us and we were supposed to just nod our heads and play along. Only that didn't happen. It's interesting that once they get backed into a corner, after having thrown everything they've got at their opposition to no avail, they renew their call for a "debate." Each time they do it, it strikes me more as "ok, everyone STFU and forget everything that's already been said so we can start over, repeating the exact same stuff you weren't buying the first time."

Clearly.. lol
.. and "any woman who wants to voice test a woman is clearly only after sex".

THAT is what comes to mind when someone demands I voice with them in order to verify I am a woman. For one thing, I am usually already talking to someone who I WANT to talk to because the other person and I are interested in what each other have to say, and spending as much time as possible together. The people who I talk to and I are all comfortable with who we are and don't need someone else's shallow validation to decide their relationship with us.

Don't they make voice changers or some such?

Exactly who I am behind Melodie is nobody's business but mine and I like the anonymity of that. Does that mean I have something to hide? Not at all. It means that it makes my skin crawl when I encounter people who try and use some sort of shallow measuring stick as a power play. (Ex: You want to be here... you have to reveal something of your personal identity (your voice) and I will punish you by ignoring you til you do.) At the very least it is silly frat house style hazing that a person has to use voice when someone else says so.

If it is just part of your kink, enjoy. But don't object to my kink because you think vulnerable women need saving. There must be a lot of insecurities rampaging in someone who only wants to play after they have verified, or to imply that anyone who isn't is a guy. Or wonder how many female posters in this thread are guys.



What alternatives has your group created? Or is ARing poseballs on a BDSM sim with titles that I have no idea why they would violate anything in the TOS or CS. Can you please explain that to me? If it was under harassment, how is it harrassment if you went there looking for it knowing what you would find? It's one thing to AR something that violates a policy. Imagining there is a policy that covers the name of an animation??? You lost me.

Enjoy your freedom to object to something all you want, but if you want a discussion... I am still waiting to figure out what the actual concern is. If it is not equating real rape to simulated rape, then why is "rape porn" a concern at all?

Clearly stating what it is that you want changed, what you would do as an ALTERNATIVE, why it should be an important issue, what would be improved by eliminating such things etc would be a good place to start anytime.

never do something that makes you uncomfortably..
do you really think anyone that would say something like that would really have the best interest in the community??
they just want everyone to live an SL that they want ,not an SL that everyone wants..a notch on their belt to say.hey i made that change in sl that everyone has to listen to now..i am powerful..lets go stop other things..that felt good..

they thought they were going to get some backing here and found out it's not gonna happen so they are stooping to discredit valid points by trying to discredit the avatars or the actual person behind them or both..

so now it is voice they have to go after.. if that doesn't sound good enough it will be ..omg you have voice program..then it becomes phone or cam or something even more personal..
pretty soon they have people dancing around like little puppets on strings trying to prove who they are..
it's not gonna change anything when they hear you or see you or get you on phone or see pictures..they won't magically change their stance or stop doing what they are doing with ARing /griefing..
i could give two hoots what they believe i am..they'll just have to keep guessing..

i know who they are..they are the kind that abuse rights and end up actually putting more restrictions on us..because one little plight has many branches that cover a wide range of other things that get restricted..

i'm not here to debate with them..
i'm here to protect my SL and to put a positive against the negative..
it's not gender biased rights that have me in this thread.although i will speak as a strong woman and won't do doggy tricks because someone is either homophobic or out of gas

it's not us that has something to prove here.

I can see by your quote that Shane still does not like to give sources or answer questions, he just likes others to do so when he demands proof. Put him on your mute list, he is not worthy of debate.

Rock

Quoted single examples do not back up the claim made earlier that abuse of women is more prevalent in countries where pornography is banned. Your quotes still leave that claim unproven.

Rock

Add your own perversion, whatever it might be, between the asterisks. This is the stock response and best argument from folks on this thread, and they will approve everything and anything in the name of "Live and Let Live", even murder.

Sick

Rock

*keeping girls as pets*

"Kinda proves my point"!!! You are even more of an idiot than your first response. First you question me for calling her 'Puppy' (when that is her name), and when I point that out you say that proves your point, and ask why does 'she' call herself Puppy.

Make up your bloody mind:

a) Are you still asking why I call her Puppy, when that is her name?

b) Or are you now questioning why she calls herself Puppy?

I can only answer a) (which I did), you will have to ask her yourself why she calls herself Puppy.

'It's raining'.
'No, I am looking out of the window and it is sunny'.
'Yeah, kinda proves my point'.

Rock

No Talon, you can relax, I don't take anything you say seriously.

Rock

She has proven quite clearly, over and over. You just deliberately try to not understand.

Just cut and paste all her posts in this thread out into Notepad, and read them, and you will see what utter nonsense you have just written.

None so blind as those who will not see.

Rock

Yes. I noticed that too. This kind of logic and reasoning reminds me of the spanish inquisition. "If she denies she must me a witch." Probably the most mysogynic (is that a correct word?) era in history BTW.

Misogynic, since you ask.

Pep (But please don't feel you have to trust me on it; ah, no, that's misandry.)

PS Actually the Spanish Inquisition was extremely non-sexist. Are you thinking of the era of Salem or Oliver Cromwell or . . . well, any time until the 1960s when Berlei's shares started drooping along with various body parts.

Oh thank you, what a great service. I wanted to surf to my favorite dictionary but I thought, no wait, this forum has a free, quick and reliable spelling service called Pep.

If you don't ask you don't get.

Pep (Don't you have a spell-checker built in to your browser; too technical for you or can't you be bothered?)

No, it is all to do with experience.

We have caught many men posing as women in our RP sim in the past (at least 70-80%, and we simply do not allow anyone in now (following that experience) that will not accept a voice-test (with one of our Ladies of the Court (who really are women), at a random time during their 1 month probation period.

Also, in our experience, it was those men posing as women who kept trying to introduce more 'discipline' into the Palace, and proposed suitable 'punishments' for those who stepped out of line. We quickly found out about their past activities, and what they got up to (including what the OP complained about, extreme violence towards women).

So I know for a fact that men will hook up in SL, with them taking turns to be the female avi (usually via alts) while the others rape, mutilate and murder them.

Of course, they then justify their sick activies by logging in as their female avi, and telling us all that they 'enjoy' this 'game'. Yeah, right.

So, based on my experience in SL (and hundreds have come to us from Gor, and other RP sims where violence towards women is practiced), I do not believe one single 'female' in SL or the forums that say extreme violence towards women (and we are not talking about the BDSM scene, this is 'extreme' stuff we are talking about) is fine. I know that there are some women out there who do, but they are in such a tiny, tiny minority I need to know that they really are female before I believe what any anonymous 'female' in these forums says.

If you read any of the BDSM magazines and literature, you will know that the women who do enjoy the extreme stuff are so much in the minority that they are famous within the community. The numbers of 'women' in this forum alone that say they enjoy it, or condone it, is way, way too fishy.

It is not 'fine'. It is not a case of 'live and let live'. As all the studies show time and time again, is that it is all about men's attitudes towards women (which the instances in Saudi Arabia and other countries, and the UN quotes illustrate, it is a worldwide problem).

These 'games' in SL all reinforce men's misogynistic attitudes to women. That is what this is all about.

So when a guy skewers a girl through the vagina to mouth, and roasts her over a spit, and jacks off to it, you really do think that is good for society? You really think that engenders a positive attitude towards women, do you? Well, do you?

Rock

Good to know. Just remember, when the censors you support get around to turning against your particular kink, and they will, don't say you weren't warned.

Can't be bothered. This is not a spelling competition.

Besides that misogyny is transliterated from Greek, so technically any latin spelling is "wrong" since each and every letter of that word is spelled wrong.

End of OT.

In what way? Who wrote your history books? Mickey Mouse?

Your lack of education is becoming more apparent with each post you make.

Try using a spell checker, btw. Typos are fine, but when you really don't know a word use either a dictionary, and a spell checker if you dont know how it is spelt, but asking in the forum for your lack of basic education to be filled in is just plain lazy.

Rock

Please let the forum know what 'my particular kink' is, as you know so much about me. I would be interested myself, but I promise I won't take it seriously.

Rock

But telling each and every woman that she is a guy until proven otherwise is not misogynistic...?

All becoming clear now. Never let facts, or accuracy, come in the way of a good debate.

Rock

No. Look the word up, please.

Rock

You tell her the way it is, sweetie <3

It was obvious you would jump on that bait "mysogyny (is that correct)" (and Pep too lol). As a matter of fact I am even able to understand and speak the language the word misogyny is coming from. Can you even read it?

Once people run out of reasonable arguments the ad hominems are popping up (use dictionary if your latin is too rusty).