Inclusive Communities and Representations of Violence against Women

One of the reasons that I shouldn't debate these issues on an SL forum is that I waste so much time verifying and double-checking.

The quoted material is not in the Convention On The Elimination Of All Forms Of Discrimination Against Women. It comes from the 1992 General Comments on the Convention by General recommendations made by the Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women.

And it's not that I disagree with the opinions expressed in those comments. I just feel if one is going to try to bolster one's credibility by name-dropping big agencies and important documents, they should be accurately cited.

Convention On The Elimination Of All Forms Of Discrimination Against Women:
http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/cedaw/text/econvention.htm

General recommendations made by the Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women:
http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/cedaw/recommendations/recomm.htm

And just what does this have to do with anything? If you asked me to take a voice verification "test", I'd mute you in a second, you rude inconsiderate SOB. In spite of the fact that I do, when it's appropriate, use voice. I don't object to voice per se. What insults me is that you would use it as a "test". Put me down in the "outrage" category.

I could care less what gender an SL escort (or any other avatar) is in RL. That's why I said "she". But, as a matter of personal experience, most of the escorts I've met in SL about whom I *do* have some RL knowledge are, in fact, women. Except those who are male or shemale avatars, I mean.

As for "naive"...no, I think not. Merely a lot more tolerant than you appear to be. Tolerant of other people's activities, that is. What I'm NOT very tolerant of is when they try to force their beliefs on me. So welcome to my Ignore list.

Because you're incapable of taking on board someone elses considerations?

Because all you appear to want is sycophantic head nodding, at the expense of those who may have a structured counterpoint to your ideals?

Or because this is part of a campaign driven by the same old tired emotive hyperbole of those in need of a cause to fight for, even if nobody is actually wanting that battle to be fought?

Women, those very poor, deluded, weak minded souls you seek to empower, have told you they actually WANT to engage in the very behaviours you are wishing to brush under the carpet. Men as well as women are pointing out the fallacies in your message. And you ignore it all by pulling out bias research studies and personal taste as your reasons to stifle the freedom of others.

I predict a third thread, probably by a new avatar with the group not listed.

And lots of posts by brand new avatars...

Or older avatars that hid their group data.

"We want to make depictions of extreme sexual activities against the TOS and CS"

"Even if it is on a privately owned sim, no laws are being broken, and everyone involved is a mature consenting adult?"

"Yes"

"No thank you"


Add in some intelligent posts (mostly ignored), interspersed with attacks (all too readily responded to), and off-topic tangents and I think that pretty much sums up this 55 page thread for me.


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Safe Sane & Consensual
Live and Let Live

Oh, almost certainly. And it will start on a yet more seemingly reasonable premise, but still be the same hateful imposing opressive subtext.

My problem isn't that these people who wish to strip any sign of individuality that doesn't meet their beliefs exist, but that they're tehones who tend to maniplulate and tug on heart strings to the detriment of others who are doing no actual harm. It's this kind of thinking that is going to make the adult content changes all the more unbearable, as well as being generally bad for society when people are told they are wrong to enjoy themselves and give consent, as they do not realise they are being abused...

Meanwhile, based on the response I get from people on the telephone, I'd pass a voice verification as a woman but fail it as a guy. Guess people ain't calibrated for ferrets.

some therapists working with some families that have lost someone to murder or rape and murder actually do work with the murderer or rapist and they actually do meet in the same room with only a table separating them..

same with drunk drivers..they meet victims families and do sessions..

ignoring a problem is much more making a victim instead of facing a fear and feeling as if you are overcoming it..

these movements are looking for victims because this is how bills get passed..
it's about creating a fear in people that are not victims yet because fear and scared are much easier to sway..scared people are looking for answers and security..

but teach them to face their fears or overcomes them and you have someone that is not so easily swayed or so easy to scare..

OMG!!! look SL is a monster making machine..we have to control this to make it safe the slim chance some nutcases are made that you will be safe..
omg you mean there is a chance? where do i sign!!!

bleh

my outlook is this..victims need to learn they can be strong again and have control over their own lives again..and women or any victims male or female need leaders in groups willing to make them stronger and not victims anymore..
not scared or weak leaders or leaders with certain motives on their minds..
this whole keeping women weak or telling them they are weak and keeping victims victims is nothing but a controlling attitude..

women will never progress if we do not get off this "i am victim" stance and start pushing our way to where we want to be..

anyone preaching fear or helplessness ..you defeat our progress..you don't beat fear with more fear..you beat it with facing it and pushing it aside and and gaining power and learning to love yourself again so that you can love others again..

in every victim is a stronger person screaming to get out..
cluttering up the path only makes it harder for them..

i am so tired of political bullshit getting in the way..it's cruel and nothing more..

if people were not so scared we would have a hell of a lot less victims in the world..

That's it pretty much, yeh, but the OP and co claim it is paranoia and their is no hidden agenda and they are offering us the opportunity to cooperate and self censor our offensive sexualities.

How true!
This is verging on religious mania, political correctness whilst having no god is every bit as shrill, blind, intrusive and righteous as Christianity and Islam are able to be.

Legislating sexuality is heading backwards towards Sharia Law style personal policing, or our own warty old dark ages, which as we know solves nothing and is worse for people than the freedom to get on with it in their own way.

Also Shane has mentioned this here in another way too, victims being used as mascots for political social shoves.

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I've been following since the last thread and the thread on SOPT
I've posted twice and read everything presented, its just amazing the things people will do to in the name of protecting me from something I want to do.

Safe, Sane & Consensual
Live and Let Live

Lol, you're sure a thorn in their side then. Dam that freedom, it gets in the way of every mad idealist.

Nice to meet you, and my name is Mona.



Kinda proves my point - why call yourself a puppy?

I read these forums every day but don't post much. I figure most forum readers are not interested in Gor at all, and probably get irritated when it's mentioned.

Yet, in this long thread Gor has been mentioned many times, and generally in a positive light.

I doubt that's what the OP intended.

I've also been thinking that this new wave of frivolous ARs must be a big headache for LL. I wonder if it makes them sorry they made those Adult Content changes?

the silly thing is that adults are mostly set in their ways..
i mean it's like being talked to like a child..

studies show this many are influenced into this because of that and this many are influenced by this by 90%!!!!! because of this over here..
bla bla bla...
it's not children they are talking too..
they did not walk into a room full of idiots unaware of how the world works..

all i see is a few people that cannot tell the difference between virtual reality and reality and combining them both..
i trust my own experiences over some scientists sitting in a room going off of some tests they made up with to get results from a bunch of people they have never met before..

can fantasies make someone horny?
if a person is horny and we show them this kind of video do they wish they were in that situation? Derrrrrrrr

when we sat a cup of coffee and a playboy magazine on a table and left the subjects alone for 1 hour the study show 50% of the subjects became more excited than the other 50%.. when the coffee was removed the results changed to 100% being excited equally wow i wonder why?
cause 50% don't drink coffee now give us our grant money

And absence of SL. Allegedly SL is banned in Saudi (someone posted that to the forums). If it really is banned there, it is not because of the violence but because of the freedom.

So the answer to all this is to send the OPs and their acolytes to Saudi Arabia so they can stop worrying about SL and focus on reality instead? Sounds like a plan to me. (Watch someone take this seriously and get offended. Just watch.)

That's true. I also doubt they expected to battle opposing views from so many women, some of which are former victims and/or feminists, and to me it sounds like nearly all of them think the OP are full of shit. I like that



..and considering some of the items posted in the SOPT thread, the OP(s) in these threads seem to me to be trolling and baiting people. I've read enough to safely assume they're completely unconcerned with our interests, SL, or anything else that doesn't give them another freedom stripped in the name of their brand of political PC feminism.

I'm not going to be feeding these trolls any more, and can only hope these and any future threads by these OP's die a quick death, fastlaned to the archive.

Scylla - why are you and "Ponsonby" making this all about YOU? I thought you wanted to come here to OPEN A DIALOGUE - which happened - rather than attack others for the feedback you got.

It's patently OBVIOUS to anyone with a single brain cell that you had something to accomplish. Just your stated goal of making us all into one, inclusive, harmonic, community full of think-alike drones who do not do anything YOU object to, is a freaking agenda.

Come off it, lady!

To quote examples of your agenda we'd have to quote every post you made - in its entirety. And Ponsonby's too for that matter, since they seem to throw any objectivity out the window in their zeal to 'defend your honor'. Such as co-opting Shane's very personal very real experience with a real life good friend into a comparison to "using" animals as "mascots" - as if the puppies would KNOW! In the same way that a woman HEARD what was being said and done to her case without her permission.

Are any of you even CAPABLE of presenting your opinions without sandbagging them with FICTIONAL stories or wikipedia studies of completely NON relevant cases simply in the name of "analogy"?

PLEASE PROVE TO ME THAT NAMING A POSE BALL FORCED DOGGY STYLE HAS A BLESSED THING TO DO WITH ANYTHING and you might begin to justify the disruption you've caused this forum with your freaking 'cause' and your grandstanding.

Or answer any of people's pertinent questions, such as WHY you are going around to sims clearly labeled and ARing people for things that are not against TOS? I hope YOU are AR'ed for harassment next time you are caught in that act.

Yeh, I hope you cop a little of what your dishing out too.

A lot of feminists, alternative lifestylers and sexualities and even victims from all walks of life and creeds are saying here in this very string you opened, that they want no part of your thing.

Learn from that.

Ian - you hope WHO cops to what they are dishing out? Lol...

Sounds like you were talking to me. Could you put an address ("to" on that post, please?

Which is why some of the posters on that side of the debate have started making snide remarks about "voice tests". Because any woman who doesn't agree with them, clearly must be a man pretending to be a woman...

They've made a number of snide quips and really do not take being disagreed with, well at all. It isn't exactly great PR for their 'cause,' the way they've interacted with other forum members in this debate they began.

Melita, I hope the OP cops some of her own medicine.

^ Lol, thanks. Phew. ^