Why do men pay for sl sex when there're so many orgy rooms?
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Isabeau Imako
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03-10-2008 06:14
From: Brenda Connolly The fact that this thread is still going on, amazes, confounds and saddens me to no end. Somebody, please, bad mouth a crooked land baron so it will disappear. This is way beyond sad. There's something mentally wrong with this thread. And yes, please, somebody mention a crooked landlord. I don't know any.
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Pie Psaltery
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03-10-2008 06:22
I'm going to become a crooked landlord just to kill this thread
***edited to note that that makes 500 posts to a completely useless thread, pulling it endless up to the top of the forums while people with legitimate questions get their posts filed back to page 2 or 3....
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Gummi Richthofen
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03-10-2008 06:26
From: Qie Niangao The "real intimacy" thing is only available to/with a pretty small subset of residents who are highly articulate and highly engaged with their virtual life. It's easy to forget just how small a minority that really is. ah no... point of order. Those people who just sit on the "M" key when having sex or have nothign to say, or can't fit well with your needs as an articulate user, are being intimate: it's just that their intimacy doesn't do much for you. Sexual performers are a rare group, it's true - but don't confuse a lack of vocabulary in display, for a lack of engagement. In RL I've watched guys having sex whose most demonstrative moment is a faint "mmmff" at climax, as if they just got a book off a high shelf - doesn't mean it's not all fireworks inside. Far as I can tell, the realpolitik of sexual pickup and put-down is THE main SL social experiment. Guys play as girls who do guys with their girls (that was a Blur song back in the day!) etc etc: what's most interesting is the way that people are SO engaged with their virtual lives that they can't help reacting instinctively to the szie, shape, colour and style of the avatars they find attractive.
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Gummi Richthofen
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03-10-2008 06:29
From: Phil Deakins Both of those quotes still hold true for me. It's the real person at the keyboard. And, no, I haven't said that a simple text-based chatroon is just as effective as SL (sex). I said earlier in the thread, and again in my reply to you, that avs are an enhacement to SL sex. You make a mistake by writing as though looks, shape and age, are the only RL things that connect RL people. They are not. You and I were very RL connected before we exchanged any of those things, and I have been very RL connected with plenty of other girls without any of those things being exchanged. It's the RL people at the keyboards, and not avs alone. I couldn't just sit back and watch a pair of avs 'at it' and get turned on, and I imagine that goes for many people (perhaps even most people  ) It needs to be the real people being intimate, and then the avs are often a good enhancement, as I think you could infer from the second of the quotes. It's a shame this conversation is buried in an immense thread, because there's some fascinating stuff in here, which people seem to fail to look at with a proper degree of detachment. This seems to be where people need to come out with ex-cathedra absolute statements, in quite possibly the most varied subject we have here - as if somehow, everyone else both can, and should, adopt their special view of the world.
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Brenda Connolly
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03-10-2008 06:39
From: Gummi Richthofen It's a shame this conversation is buried in an immense thread, because there's some fascinating stuff in here, which people seem to fail to look at with a proper degree of detachment. This seems to be where people need to come out with ex-cathedra absolute statements, in quite possibly the most varied subject we have here - as if somehow, everyone else both can, and should, adopt their special view of the world. Most topics of any social nature that are discuissed here fall prey to that it seems. For an alleged Social Platform, many here seem unwilling to comprehend or accept the fact others socialize in ways different from their own.
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Cherry Czervik
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03-10-2008 07:14
This week I have been mostly eating Taramasalata.*
*(Lie for the sake of referencing. If you don't get this reference, well phooey on you. This thread has become a complete disgrace.
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Cherry Czervik
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03-10-2008 07:18
From: Connor Jun Or pay an amateur with time and most likely spend money on her anyway. WOW that is cynical. I'm glad I've always been so flipping picky. I've never wanted money spent on me, I've never expected anything. I still don't, I'm glad to have my "time" returned to me in terms of affection.
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Lindal Kidd
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03-10-2008 07:20
From: Brenda Connolly The fact that this thread is still going on, amazes, confounds and saddens me to no end. Somebody, please, bad mouth a crooked land baron so it will disappear. LOL! Doesn't amaze or confound me...sex and the differences between men and women are Topic Number One just about everywhere, RL and SL both. But I do think we've beaten on poor Phil quite enough. He's looking ragged and punch drunk. Five hundred posts is enough, I say. Let's beat up LL instead. Has anyone noticed that with the New and Improved Release Candidate viewer, you can't change the attachment point for objects? Try living your Second Life with only one HUD...
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Isabeau Imako
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03-10-2008 07:27
From: Lindal Kidd Let's beat up LL instead. Has anyone noticed that with the New and Improved Release Candidate viewer, you can't change the attachment point for objects? Try living your Second Life with only one HUD... Mystical Cookie sent a message with a work-around for her updated Mysti tool being used on the new RC.. The workaround is to rez the hud on the ground, then right click and choose More -> Attach HUD -> Location.
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Colette Meiji
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03-10-2008 07:28
LOL people have such short memories.
There have been much worse threads than this.
Even when we were Moderated, and even when moderated by Lindens.
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Brenda Connolly
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03-10-2008 07:30
From: Lindal Kidd LOL!
Doesn't amaze or confound me...sex and the differences between men and women are Topic Number One just about everywhere, RL and SL both.
But I do think we've beaten on poor Phil quite enough. He's looking ragged and punch drunk. Five hundred posts is enough, I say.
Let's beat up LL instead. Has anyone noticed that with the New and Improved Release Candidate viewer, you can't change the attachment point for objects? Try living your Second Life with only one HUD... Uhm, I do most of the time actually. just my AO. But I get what you mean. The topic is not the problem, it is the mudslinging that it has evolved into, of Epic proportions, even for us. And it's like a game of Pong stuck in a loop. It just goes back and forth, niether side making any headway except maybe to embarrass themselves just a bit more each time. The Battle of The Somme gained more ground than this one.
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Cherry Czervik
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03-10-2008 07:42
From: Lindal Kidd LOL!
Doesn't amaze or confound me...sex and the differences between men and women are Topic Number One just about everywhere, RL and SL both.
But I do think we've beaten on poor Phil quite enough. He's looking ragged and punch drunk. Five hundred posts is enough, I say.
Let's beat up LL instead. Has anyone noticed that with the New and Improved Release Candidate viewer, you can't change the attachment point for objects? Try living your Second Life with only one HUD... I'm fine for HUDs - I only have my AO and my Kinky-o one most of the time anyway.
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Love Hastings
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03-10-2008 08:29
From: Phil Deakins I also didn't respond when someone posted that I rub shit over my body... Nobody said that you do. I do believe that someone did say that "many perhaps most" posters to the forum named Phil do. Can you see the difference?
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Agent Tairov
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03-10-2008 08:38
From: Phil Deakins Agent: Your reply to my question, "What assumption would that be?", was... I'll explain where you're mistaken (this is also for Colette, since she made the same mistake). I said that I imagine something. I didn't say that I assume it to be true, and I certainly didn't put it out as a statement of fact, so statistics aren't needed. It's just what I personally imagine to be true. To put it in other ways, I'd guess that it is true, I'd bet that it's true, I wouldn't be surprised if it's true, there's a good chance that it's true imo, etc. etc. Of course, if I want to assume that it's true, I'm free to do that and to post it, as long as I say that it's my assumption, as in *I* assume. I'm also free to imagine, and to write that "I imagine"  It seems Collette's sarcasm is lost on you. "Many if not most" is certainly a statement. You either believe it's true or not. Apparently, you have conceded this argument, and therefore it is dropped. From: Phil Deakins
I trust you can produce statistics to support that general statement? My part in that quote was a reply about *me* to a specific question, asked by a specific person. Your generalisation doesn't apply.
Oh, but we don't need statistics! In all seriousness, the burden of proof is on you to prove that "many if not most" people agree with you. Since you have decided not to defend that assertion, we can assume that we do not know the likelyhood that this is true, and therefore any argument which infers from that is unacceptable. From: Phil Deakins
I chose not to discuss your Hentai point, because I didn't see any relevance to it. You brought it up as a response to me anwering someone's question about me. It's a different view, and I've nothing for or against it, but I chose not to discuss it, and I still choose not to discuss it, as it had nothing to do with my answer to Jade.
It is relevant to your earlier arguments in this thread, and the views that you use to draw the conclusions that "many if not most" people are also "not turned on by avatars getting it on." The hentai example is direct counter-evidence that in fact, many people "get off" to a depiction. However, since you apparently don't care to defend the statement that "many if not most" people agree with you on that sexual preference, despite your insistence that those who don't are "sad," I suppose this means you've conceded this point as well. Again, as for relevancy, I have no obligation to quote every position of yours I am arguing against, I do it merely for convenience. The counter-argument in question was not the hentai point, which was merely counter-evidence. The counter-argument was clearly labeled "Counter-Argument:" From: Phil Deakins lol. see above. I also didn't respond when someone posted that I rub shit over my body, but it wasn't an admission that I do it. And before Colette jumps in on that, yes, I mentioned it later - much later - but I didn't respond to it directly. If you want to have a discussion about exactly what turns people on, please do, but don't address it to me.
An argument must be defended, or it is assumed conceded. An insult isn't an argument, therefore it doesn't count. I will assume that you were unaware of this, and weren't implying that my counterargument was an insult. Your repeated misunderstandings of my posts are unfortunate, and I am beginning to suspect that you are doing so on purpose because you aren't actually able to defend your beliefs. Of course, dodging questions on purpose proves nothing, and it shouldn't be ethically acceptable to you in this setting, unless you're a troll. [If you are, in fact, trolling, it would help to explain your responses to me up to this point.] Since you again somehow managed to misunderstand the post, I will give you an additional chance to respond to the labeled counter-argument from the earlier post. "Counter-Argument: The idea of sex is what turns people on, not the presence of others at the other end, that merely helps suspend disbelief." You have conceded that you have no grounds to support your assertion that "many if not most" people don't get turned on by non-photographic depictions of sex.
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Rebecca Proudhon
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03-10-2008 09:21
I think, cyber-anosmia, unconsciously, self-induced, anosmia, a cyber-Westermark effect, divergent brain responses, and the amygdala, plays a role here.
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Lindal Kidd
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03-10-2008 09:35
From: Cherry Czervik I'm fine for HUDs - I only have my AO and my Kinky-o one most of the time anyway. You are too frugal for words. I always have my: 1. AO 2. MystiTool 3. Auto Emote and then, sometimes... 4. SpeakEasy chat-a-notecard 5. Babbler 6. SK Intimate 7. Foxy's smoking HUD 8. Free texture search HUD 9. GQ Start classroom HUD 10. OI newbie orientation HUD 11. Shoe control HUD 12. Analog Dog haircolor HUD 13. Couples Animator HUD er, would you repeat that gesture please? I couldn't see it for all the HUD clutter...
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Cherry Czervik
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03-10-2008 09:51
Ooh I forgot my Mystitool ... but I see that as a gadget yet indeed yes it IS an AO.
I'm surprised you can walk Lindal.
***edit I mean HUD. Been one of those days.
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Caledric Axon
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03-10-2008 09:53
From: FD Spark Personally I don't get either but my friends sim is next one of those free sex places. Often we hear shouting moron shout, "who wants f*** me?" What is sexy about that? Only once did I go to escort and personally it didn't work for me. I don't find "I got poseballs wanna hop on one?" very exciting. For the short time I worked in the industry I never used one poseball. I took the girl in a completely dark room and told her to set it to midnight and focus on the chat.
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Phil Deakins
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03-10-2008 10:04
Agent, which part of "I imagine" don't you understand? Let me know, and I'll try to make it even more clear to you. Better still, drop it, and make everyone happy (except Colette, who takes pleasure in being nasty). You do have a point, but it's not a point against anything that I've written, once you understand what the phrase "I imagine" means, so leave me out of it.
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Nika Talaj
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03-10-2008 10:07
Skye Paris is a crook. Probably she's related to Hitler.
*gets popcorn* .
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Agent Tairov
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03-10-2008 10:12
As for what part of "imagine" I don't understand, quite simply that was already registered as your concession on "many if not most." So yes, I do understand that you have no intention of defending your claim. You left the other argument still standing, meaning you have conceded both points, lost the argument, and indirectly admitted you were wrong on both points. I will leave you to your imagination, then, since you still seem hell-bent on misunderstanding my posts and dodging my arguments. Edit: Oh, and Phil, instead of you heaping the responsibility for ending this one me -- right back at you. Why don't you just drop it and make everyone happy?Edit: From: Nika Talaj Skye Paris is a crook. Probably she's related to Hitler.
*gets popcorn* . Objection! The relation of my client to Hitler is a specious argument and a character assassination on the part of the plaintiff! ...wait, wait, wrong courtroom.
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Damien1 Thorne
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03-10-2008 10:15
From: Ann Launay Holy water and a crucifix?
Oh, wait, maybe someone else should do it... /me dons asbestos gloves, grabs the holy water and crucifix from Ann and charges in to kill this thread. 
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Brenda Connolly
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03-10-2008 10:19
From: Nika Talaj Skye Paris is a crook. Probably she's related to Hitler.
*gets popcorn* . We all know how Hitler felt about Paris. /me does the pants thing......
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Caledric Axon
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03-10-2008 10:26
From: Brenda Connolly We all know how Hitler felt about Paris. /me does the pants thing...... Brenda has her pants on her head already? Daylight savings time just means you move the clock ahead an hour Brenda... not the time you start drinking.
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Phil Deakins
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03-10-2008 10:31
From: Agent Tairov As for what part of "imagine" I don't understand, quite simply that was already registered as your concession on "many if not most." So yes, I do understand that you have no intention of defending your claim.
You left the other argument still standing, meaning you have conceded both points, lost the argument, and indirectly admitted you were wrong on both points. I will leave you to your imagination, then, since you still seem hell-bent on misunderstanding my posts and dodging my arguments. I ought to have asked, which part of english don't you understand, or which part of common sense don't you understand? Someone chooses not to discuss something with you, so you declare that you've won the argument? LMAO [added] I'll rephrase that.... whatever 
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