Gender stereotypes in SL: "Real" women

You missed out the word "professional".


Not in Europe. Nor can I speak for the Sahara, Kalahari, Gobi . . .

Pep (In better restaurants anyway)

there is no such thing as a 'non professional chef'. an amateur is a cook at best.
ive worked on three continents and females were always more likely to work in pastry than on the line. its never unusual to see the majority of the women standing in the pastry end of the kitchen.

Ooh! What a burn!

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My mistake obviously . . .

Pep ( . . . perhaps it was the Roux Sisters.)

PS I had noticed that women generally tend to hang around where the pastries are - or is that another stereotype?

PPS Which continents?

Genius!!

That made me chortle.

Yea, I've encountered "You're not a female b/c u wont send pics", "You wont use voice" and "Oh, well I can't tell by you're voice". So to qualify as a R/L female I must have a high-pitched voice, use voice all the time and send pics.

Translated:
- You're not female because you won't bow down to my superior will [...] and let me have the tools I need to become your stalker.

Yeah... right...

Where's that ignore function again? O.o


Over in MMO-land I know several women who use male avatars only -PRECISELY- so they don't have to deal with juvenile males and older-generation men that reflexively try to boss fems around.

Real furries actually do that? Actually wear furry outfits at all?
I always figured that was just a CSI episode doing the usual Hollywood poor research on subcultures.

The little secret about this is that Barbie dolls are very appealing to hetro-men, much as GI-Joe is to gay men - for similar reasons.

Go over to the Poser / Daz 3D art community and you will find a number of hetro-men 'play with the virtual dolls' they were not allowed or culturally intimidated out of playing with when they grew up.

Always thought it was odd that parents who want their sons to grow up straight raise such a fit when little Jimmy looks up Barbies skirt, but don't bat an eye when he's oiling down a naked GI-Joe. O.o

Some do



I actually got pestered to get on voice to prove I was a guy by one for being too cuddly and not trying to get in her pants at hello O_o

Dancing...

In SL?

Friend of mine who now works in gay porn ( O.o - no, not as actor or the stories would be even more interesting) used to host 'Guess which one is real' drag shows. Then moved on to 'guess which one is not real' drag shows for women.

I know a couple of furries who wear lycra fur patterns and face make up when they dress up.




There's a good little story from Phillip K Dick written in the 50's called "The days of Perky Pat" about adults, isolation and dolls.

I've run into 2 in recent weeks, one in RL and one in an MMO, who mentioned she was on Linux over voice chat.

Anyone who's dealt with a stalker on or offline ends up with this attitude as well. That's my case sadly, but its also something I've found with a number of people online.

Some mic's don't work. Had this problem in MMOs with married couples a few times, and I find in the MMO world, with the couples, the male is usually the sort of jerk who takes the mic and bosses his GF/wife around all day long... (but that's my own stereotype coming through - at first in my MMO gaming I would seek out couples to get better gender balance, but I got sick of dealing with the aggressive men and push-over women). But I've also found the mic is broken issue with people who had and liked cams or would send up pics of them, them+baby, or etc.

Got circles talked around me in vent-voice once by an elderly woman gamer. But that's easy to do with me - if its not Sims, an MMO, or this, you can throw me easily. But she did it to the 'hardcore gamer guys' as well.

My first series of books on HTML / Javascript back in the 90s were written by a woman. I've met several who work in IT.

yes

I remember Perky Pat from "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch." She was a Barbie-type doll, and people would take some hallucinogenic drug so all the women would be Pat and all the men some guy (a Ken type). The game would come apart if the people started fighting, like if the women disagreed about what Pat would do.

SL *is* like Perky Pat except that the computer takes the place of the drug and we each get our own doll to be.

Edited to ADD (big time):

OMG!!! Look at the wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Stigmata_of_Palmer_Eldritch

The picture of the cover of the book has the eye in the hand symbol! What do we do now?



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Philip K Dick *was* a hallucinogenic drug.

I decided to be unsubtle...

Hurry, hurry hurry, step right up ladies, and prove your femininity. all it takes is several unsafe and expository breaks with basic safety and security practices, and you too can be more likely to be stalked, harassed or otherwise bothered by people too insecure to attempt these things otherwise, and more able to afterward... come one, come all, your ovaries are on the line here!

Shh, you're insulting folks that were in the other thread that go locked by pointing out the flaw in demanding voice verification... or saying only a man would put in there not to ask about rl...

eheh That's freaky.

I am not sure if that was sarcasm or not.

When voice was introduced I was among those females who were initially scared of being stalked and harrassed so I never used it. Actually the exact opposite is true. If you are scared you behave like a victim and hence attract abusers much more than if you behave like a person that doesn't lack self esteem and self security. Why should I hide my gender just because I am female? Isn't that the ultimate form of gender discrimination?

Huh?

Are you saying that if a woman does voice she is LESS likely to be stalked? That if she says no and walks away she has a GREATER chance?

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I think you are very confused about safety.

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Why does using voice make you any more "unsafe" than not using it? Because everyone
*knows* you are female? So that basically means that a female has to hide her gender to be "safe" whereas a male doesn't have to. This is the same logic like females wearing burkas to increase their safety (some actually do believe things like that). I completely disagree. I voice whenever I like to. If I get "harrassed" because my voice is too sexy I either like it or mute the guy.

Any real safety precautions apply to males and females: Don't give out RL info, don't share passwords, don't click stuff that might reveal your IP address, don't accept scripted stuff from strangers and so on.

Ok then.

Yeah, I was vague in the comment of mine that inspired your answer.

(loves to dance in SL)

That wasn't the point. The point was that women are basically being demanded to give up their rights to personal freedom and anonymity and submit to some compulsory "verification process" just to prove that we are, indeed, female.

If anyone of you out there do not want to believe I am female, fine. But I will *not* subject myself to "tests" to prove who I am. *I* know who I am; and my RL husband knows who I am. Quite honestly, that's all that matters.