Stop age discrimination NOW! (PLEASE READ)

Your whole post is really indefensible becuase of one paragraph. Which I will respond to below.


Thats becuase most people, after seeing the large amount of Adult Content in Second Life and how easy it is to access, do not consider it a suitable place for children

Thats good, becuase that would be illegal.

Well if they are minors and how do you propose you keep them from the porn and having cybersexual online relationships with adults?

The Lindens have a right to do whatever they want within the confines of Second Life, they pay the electricity to keep the servers running.

No they *DONT* they are minors! They do not have the right to decide for themselves to access Adult content. In fact they content provider is responsible for labeling the content or being in an area where minors are prohibited. Since SL has a "I agree I am 18 under penalty of law" disclaimer on the door, than this condition is satisfied.

No it *ISNT* they dont get to make this decision. They are minors. The Teen grid is there for Teens where Linden Lab has the (current) good sense to keep Adults out.

They have no rights to access adult content, whether they wish to or not.

The posted warning is the you agree you are 18 section of the Account Registration. By agreeing you are 18 you are allowed in. If you do not agree, you are not. How pornographic the content is after that point no longer matters, as long as its legal. Becuase you already agreed you were over 18.

It is only your choice if you are over 18, Minors do not get a choice in this.

Ill esplain it really, really simply to you as it sounds that I am quite a bit older than you are.

Minors do not get to decide if they can access ADULT content.

Thats becuase Minors are CHILDREN.

tried to read it several times but fell asleep or endedup alt F4

agree with the rest with what ever they agreed with

Well said! I don't see any of us whinging we can't go on the kid grid! Be thankful sl let you play at all until you're 18!

Whether you agree with the law or not doesn't matter. It IS illegal for people under the age of 18 to look at porn. Period. Check the laws before you go blaming LL for them. They didn't make these laws; they are abiding by them. To do otherwise would get them shut down and likely arrested to boot.

Just for the record it's illegal in most US states (where LL is founded out of, so therefore beholden to those laws) for people under the age of 18 to...

1) View or participate in porn

2) Drink

3) Smoke

4) Vote

5) Get married

If you're going to get on your high horse about minors being allowed to look at porn, you might as well take on ALL laws that are in place to PROTECT said minors. Are you also going to stand outside the XXX theaters and adult toy stores and demand they let minors into them?

Also... It's LL's service to do with as they please. They made a seperate setting just for underagers because they do want to give them someplace to get an SL experience. Also, the main SL area is supposed to be minor-free so us adults have OUR own place to play around without worrying about damaging minors with our nonsense.

Grownups have their places to go, kids have theirs. If you don't like it, you don't have to be here.




I thought the exact same thing when I read that. I actually believed them when they said they were 18+ till I read that. When you're 18+ you don't have to "believe" you're "very grown up"... you ARE. That's the sort of thing a minor says when they think they're more mature than their peers.

Although lobbying against the age limit, calling it discrimination, and showing a fundamental lack of understanding or desire to understand the legal system doesn't say 'very grown up' to me, regardless of true age.

Not in all cultures. Not even in the US generally.

Just because a girl's body is *physically* ready at 13-14 to have a baby, doesn't mean she is mentally capable of handling the responsibility, or that it's morally right. Certainly having sex under what is known as the "age of consent" is a prosecutable crime in many parts of the world.

You might be able to get married "under 18" but isn't it usually with parental consent? And how many of these actually last anyway once reality kicks in?

You might be perfectly capable of 'driving a car' on your Playstation, but that doesn't mean you have the skill and responsibility to drive a real car. The statistics of 'teen driver deaths' are astounding (both teens themselves and accidents caused by teen drivers).

As much as under 18's might protest, and feel they are "ready" ... the fact is that often they aren't. Teens have been fighting these restrictions - that are there for their own good - for many generations; I was one once but looking back at it I can understand why it was for my benefit in the end.

To the OP... have you "outed" yourself as underage and, as a result are on a one way ticket back to the teen grid? One of the first things you learn when you're an adult is that if you're doing something wrong, you don't shout it from the rooftops...

Broccoli

Geez!! Grow up you big baby!!

Let me chime in on the same level as several people who replied, clearly displaying their greater level of maturity:

"Yeah, we can come in, and you can't, because we're big grownups, you kid, neener neener!"

On a more mature level:

As stated here often before. LL is not discriminating towards underage people, because of disrespect, but because they're forced to by society's laws. This means, they have no choice in this matter whatsoever. Society discriminates against age in all matter of situations; voting, media exposure, sexual, criminal law, marriage etc. etc. (Discrimination = division by a general characteristic, it has NOTHING to do with racism, sexism)

This means you're argument is not with LL, but with the society's rules to discriminate by age in general. Of course age has never been the greatest of discriminators to judge 'maturity' with. Maturity is based on a lot of different factors; social situation, experience, emotional development, intelligence etc.
And this is where the problem is. For 'general rules', you need to have objective and quantifiable standards to measure against. None of the above factors can easily be quantified in an objective way, and especially not the sum of them.

As a result, society has taken the one objective and quantifiable factor, which at least gives an 'in general', 'mostly' correct picture of all those factors, age, and used this to base their rules on. If you're behind the 'curve' you're lucky (and i think a lot of people are 'behind the curve' If you're ahead, you're screwed.

Although it's completely understandable to feel personal indignation towards this mechanism. (I sure did too, when i was under age), it's sadly something there is no good alternative for.

Be real. Regardless of what dumb changes they make it won't stop anyone from coming in if that person wants to enter sl. This isn't goin got stop minors from coming in. All it will do is add more problems with this stupid age verification they're putting in.

Anyone who thinks this new system will stop minors from getting into sl are kidding themselves. There's a way around everything.

Apart from the fact that children shouldn't be here for their own benefit, its for the benefit of adults too. If an adult on here has sex with a 15 year old, he/she could be arrested in RL for having sex with a minor.

Reading the OP's post, you are definitely not grown up. To compare discrimination of race or whatever to a minor being unable to come onto the main grid is beyond ridiculous and its insulting.

So go onto the teen grid where you belong and grow up there and then come back when you are 18.

Just wondering at what age the OP thinks the barrier should be? Would it be discrimination at any age? Should 12 year olds be able to access the grid with porn and fetish sexual activity as their human rights?

There are laws for reasons, you may not agree with them all, but the age ones are there for protection. We may live in a world now where 14 year olds have sex and babies, but it doesn't make it right. They are not old or experienced enough to know the future lasting effects.

I don't know what else to say except this:

Adults go to places and do things they don't want minors to see or do with them. That is responsible adulthood. Regardless of the law, it is our duty as adults to behave responsibly towards minors. As it happens, it's also illegal to allow minors access to adult material.

It doesn't seem that complicated.

Gee, it bugs me that people think they have the right to everything in the world handed to them on a plate, and if they think they're being excluded they shout discrimination.

rant over. back to work. harrumph.

what ever I say is going o sound crap so im just going to say it.

Free accounts ... STOP
ID Verification - YES
Age Verification - YES

These are things that should be brought in, I appreciate that many of you "like" your anonymity on SL, but all its really got is is a bot, minor & alt fest. I personally feel any system that involves any sort of money either in or out deserves to be authenticated. If you like the "free" SL system then thats because you are a skin flint and dont want to pay (exludes payment info on file or used) or your a minor and have no method other than steeling from your parents

There seems to be a lot of confusion as to why things are happening and wether they should or shouldnt. LL opened up the doors to try and tempt people into the game by removing the sign up limitations... I think we can pretty much say that this has encouraged a lot of new users but very few members.. I know you might say im a premium snob... and yes I am, becasue when posts like this come up and really just highlights WHY things like ID and Age verfication are important and why "free" accounts are a very very very bad thing. The OP really doesnt help thier case at all and allthough I have no say in what LL does, like everyone else... I certainly dont mind the AV IDV system comming into force becasue im an adult and have nothing to hide either IRL or ISL. The concept of "free to use" does not mean that it is free to everyone regardless. What if a person doesnt have a PC .. .should LL buy them a computer becasue its discriminating against the poor. Or maybe its descriminating againt the iliterate or against 3rd world countries who dont even have food and water nevermind broadband. SL is a luxary service to those that wish to partake. LL only ask that you comply with the LAW which for point if you follow the terms and conditions is pretty simple regardless of LL's on spin on ITS laws.

In some ways Second Life is brilliant place with many opportuniuties, but the the fact that nobody has to identify themselves means that we do have a large underage contingent in the main grid.... we do have script kiddies happily griefing everyone... the list goes on and on. The most noticable for me ... is the fact that most people in SL forget the very manners that they were born with becasue they see AV's as being nothing more than a character in a video game driven by an AI.
Anyway going slighting off subject there....

If you are a child .... and on SL, you are not only breaking the game TOS but you are also breaking the law, wether or not you have created a little group to voice your opinion or not just shows that in YOUR mind its ok for 8 year olds to have sex with adults .... get drunk, take drugs, drive, watch porn etc,,,, my god ... whats thew world comming to

I am with Marty on this.

Frankly, *I* want people to have mental health checks before they come on SL.

***Edit*** This is a joke btw. Semi-joke perhaps. There are people with some serious issues, ask anyone with an ex who turns psycho.

That's me screwed then. =D

You're exempt

Yay. I'm special.

Sorry to hear about your ex-partner woahs. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt.

Oh meh ... I was thinking of other people more. I am the world's shoulder to cry on. I'm well aware my ex partner thinks I am a psycho however Such is SLife.

I wonder..... if they were in place, would we be posting in this thread?


As to the original topic (while i'm here): yeah right, it's calling for a violation of the TOS, it's calling for possibly illegal activity, it's pretty much against every recent new rule announcement from the monkeys that be, it's ..... well ..... a waste of time.

Where's Strife?

Give him time sweetie. In the meanwhile I have never seen a thread which more deserved to be a hive of the Three P's.

Shouldn't the Cartel motto be: "For Pie,Panties and Penguin". See, this is where I wish I could draw, I have some amazing heraldry in mind

For an adult to take up this argument with such passion really makes me wonder ....

Perhaps that's unfair. I just remember being turned away now and then from pubs and nightclubs when I was 25 because I didn't look 18, and although I found it very annoying at the time, I'd generally forgotten about it by breakfast time the next day.

I don't know. The stress of looking younger than your years.

Oh let's have some cookies and crabs too then

Hey, I made up that motto.

It was a nice surprise finding my words in the charter when I joined the forum cartel actually. Nobody told me. I wasn't even aware of the FC's existence until a couple of days ago.

just as a side note ....

Before everyone starts arguing that a child can " just use thier parents information therefor AV and ADV is useless" let me point out.... that with that ONE statement you negate pretty much every RL law protecting children. I dont hear many adults demanding access to the teen grid

Those Penguins are my Penguins, Sirrah ... have at you!!

mmmmm Penguin Pie ......

Actually Cherry .... I understand that YOU are contained within the latest pie .... I had a piece of you last night ... and you tasted .... LOVERLY!!!!!! *wink*