Stop age discrimination NOW! (PLEASE READ)

I believe I am very grown up, thats why I understand how important being treated with respect is. Amazing how nobody understands though. Oh and I am trying to change the law in SL right now, by proposing what I am proposing right now. Anyway, I am wasting my time here.

No, it's illegal to keep minors in cages as well. As for adults, some enjoy being kept in cages actually. I do not believe that it is harmful for a minor to come upon such activity because they are too young and impressionable to really understand the activity. You are one of the few that feel as you do here. I will state my view in simple terms, I did not come to SecondLife in 2003 to be anywhere near children under the age of 18. When children grow up and become adults, come on over and enjoy what the adult grid has to offer. Until then, go play on the teen grid.

It says 18+ on the door. You'll find many places with such policies.

What you believe to be true and what you are demonstrating are two opposite things. A very "grown up" person would know the difference between discrimination and simple rules pertaining to the use of a product or service.

And yes, you are wasting your time here.

Let's just cut to the chase here. SL is not a right. It is a PRIVILEGE. Linden Lab runs the show, and they write the rules. Keeping minors off the main grid has nothing to do with discrimination and everything to do with not getting sued by some absentee parent who complains about little Johnny seeing boobies in a computer game. The US is full of self righteous assholes like Jack Thompson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_%28attorney%29 who have nothing better to do than to go on anti-videogame crusades. In this case, LL is just being proactive, and thinking ahead of the lunatic fringe. Understand?

You are confusing SL Law with RL Law. Doesn't matter what SL Law is. RL Law supercedes it.

Not just here; it's wasting time, period.

LL has gotten raked over the coals in certain media for the possibility that minors may be exposed to adult content on the main grid. (Hence age verification.) In many jurisdictions they have a legal responsibility to protect minors from such content. So they must either prevent such content, or bar access from minors. So to access the main grid, new members have to state that they are over 18.

Telling the truth on a legal form is not optional. If someone lies, they should expect way worse than merely to be discriminated against. They should expect prosecution.

SL policy is not "law" so you will indeed be wasting your time here, in SL and anywhere else you launch these arguments.

So is Friday two days late or five days early? I'm confused now.

Too right. Who is it that gets in trouble when a minor impersonates an adult and then starts a relationship?

Keeping out under 18's protects the adults as well as the minors.

If online pixel slapping is that important to you, there are plenty of places that will accomodate your needs with the drop of a credit card and no verification, this one is just for starters:

http://redlightcenter.com/

Not only that its pointless to Lobby LL to change the rules on Minors.

They already have mentioend the Grids will be merged someday. They Already are moving faster on it that the Playerbase wants.

Most(by far) of the players want to keep the kids out, LL someday wants to let them in - and the OP is saying LL is the problem with getting what she wants?


LOL Boggles the mind.

Certain mentalities get off on playing games with semantics, like conflating the different meanings of a loaded word like "discrimination." It proves their superior cleverness.

OK, playing this little game for now: The more general meaning of discrimination - drawing significant distinctions - is quite different from the specialized meaning of singling out particular minorities for persecution or exclusion.

So we have this doofus employing that confusion. Oh, so yes, let's all swallow that nonsense, and expose impressionable kids on the brink of puberty to all the most peculiar adult sexual fantasies played out here in SL as their first impressions of the meaning of sexual love. Because somebody wants us to not look at a dictionary. And shut down SL, because, you see, there are these RL laws.

Breaking news: This sort of crap does not fly very far here, on this forum. (Oh, you've noticed already.)

Sheesh. Some people need to drop out of the gene pool. The sooner the better.

I've never heard a person who is actually over 18 say this, and regarding the repeated "I am verified 18+" comments in the original post...

"Methinks the lady doth protest too much."

Agreed!

Strife, LOCK Please?

I should think advocating illegal activities falls squarely under the "violation of TOS" reasons for thread-lock.

Please oh omnipotent Strife?

Would that be the Kiddie Gene Pool, or just the Shallow End?

i thrusts my fists against the posts, but i still insist i sees the ghost.

OP, I appreciate what your views are .... but, this isnt your game ... its not our game, its Linden Lab game/platform. On here there are scenes of violance, sex kink of many kinds... certainly as a parent I wouldnt want my children access to this kind of material. The fact tha LL made it a free sign up has just escolated matters to the point where you feel free to come on here and demand that a place where ADULT play should be a play ground for the youth. Im sorry but when I was 15 I used to fake my age to buy smokes and certainly we ALL know theres a fair amount of underage players in SL.... this is why things like IDV and AV have come inot play. What you are suggesting is ... " if they want to come in .. they should be allowed" I find this view very imature and something I would expect from a 17year old. .... Certainly in my view and experience working with secondary school kids ... 13-17 they have grown up when they STOP telling you how grown up they are. You personally may feel that you are able to handle certain things that go on in Second Life, but you appear to have a bee in your bonnett about letting CHILDREN into an ADULT passtime. this SL grid is for adults, the teen grid is for teens. Neither SL or RL law in many many many countries allow for mature content to be displayed to minors. The fact that you quote discrimination is both insulting to most and another example of imaturity..... The problem with society today is that we average the norma and try to follow that AS the norm, hense smoking in resturants is illeagal, drinking for underage people ... is illeagal mature content for under age people IS illeagal.
I dodnt think there is anybody here who would deny your right to have a voice and state your opinion but saying its like the racial discrimination is just proposterous. If you are old enough to enter the adult grid ... then good for you, when you have reached your 20's and you have 14 year old kids going " show us ya tits love" and griefing you 24/7 its becasue they dont know how to behave in a social enviroment either RL or SL, this is what we AS adults want to escape from. Put it this way ... you refer to SL as being a free service ... well like said earlier .. its bloody isnt free ..... costs me about £70 a month to PLAY SL........ if you want free .... go and hang out at the local mall.... becasue SL is for people who want to escape or build a business or explore a different side to thioer personality .... none of these apply to a person who doesnt even KNOW who they are.

As i said ........ Good for you ...say you r peice... but formulate and argument thats solid and makes sence... becasue all i can hear is .." I wanna be in SL ... its not fair ......... not fair....not fair"

Hi, I see what you're saying, but it isn't just that minors may see porn, there are people out there who groom kids over the internet & all sorts of nasty stuff, by keeping the kids & adults apart it helps to prevent this as much as it can. I think 16+ should be allowed on the main grid as by then you can be working, married, have kids etc etc but 13-15 should be kept seperate IMO

Like Marty said.

One wonders...

I won't even let my child LOOK over my shoulder at SL. So I for one thank LL for banning all the "underages". They don't belong there. Plain and simple.

HAHAHAH you got me pretty good, there.

OP, it is not a case of 'age discrimination' , it is SL adhering to US (and most country's) laws and keeping adult content out of the reach of minors. most people below 18 (and some above) are extremely impressionable and have a very unhealthy obsession with adult content so it is ill advised for them to be here as it will be like pixel-porn for them. LL is basically just protecting themselves (and us too in the process)

Do you see scary clowns too?