ok. The end is nigh

You mean now I have to go back and read through 323 posts?

Oh, sorry. This FORUM, not this thread.

That's over 2000 posts now!!!

(YAY for me! I really DON'T have a RL!)

Oh drat!!!



Well that WOULD make tracking you down difficult

I didn't know what 'else' ASL meant! (Age sex location). I have been around the 'net for a long time (too long) on social networking sites and had never seen it. When I see ASL I auto-assume American Sign Language. Go figure, now I know.

As for FB, I couldn't stand, immediately (and I did try for a minute) all the crap I was sent. Farm animals, games, stuff that just clogs up my online leisure time, when all I'm trying to do is get inworld. So I locked it down. Every time someone sends me a friend request, I do respond to it, tell them why I'm ignoring it, and then Ignore it.

If you want to be really scared some time look at the typical myspace page. Text that does not contrast well with the background. A picture on the background that makes the text illegible and moves as you scroll the page (so you can never get to a point of clear text). Music that auto-plays when the page loads (REALLY popular at work). Basically, a hodge-podge of javascript and css that would make any web designer cringe.

Yes, I auto-translate ASL to American Sign Language too. I was using the net back when IRC and BITNET relay were all the rage though so I got used to "asl?" pretty fast!

Yah, but at least my gawdy MySpace page isn't trying to recommend me as a friend to all of my friend's friends... or my mother.

This is one of the reasons I've never been happy about having to put CC information about my alts on here, they should all be linked to my main.



If someone wants their info to show they can do it now, so I don't see the issue there, but if LL put everyone's info there as default, then yes, that's a massive can of worms.

I have a FB page for SL as part of the Damsel Files project, and I am horrified at the stuff I see there. Some people post their entire lives up there for the world to see. And all those apllications and games and other thingies are insipid noise. Except for Sorority Life...I love that.

I have an FB page, my brother insisted.

I can't stand to use it. I don't CARE how well someone is doing in some FB treasure hunt. Really I don't. And, yes, the kinds of detail some people go into is perhaps a little creepy.

I don't care about any of the info I'm treated to on FB. Why can't people just leave me alone and let me live my SL in peace?

Hahaha...I did not see this earlier LOL

If your hardware is incapable of running voice they really can't be blamed. Voice didn't work for me either on my latest computer till I worked out the front headset ports just don't work.
Other than that it works just fine on any viewer I run. Even with the voice morpher for fun at times.
If you have a physical disability that prevents you using voice then that's not LL's fault for not providing you a choice.

HUH!!!?!??!?!?!?!?!?

Don't be upset. Many people say, and feel like that. Being deaf, I Have gotten quite used to this attitude, (so sad, too bad) and maybe that's why I rarely leave my sim, especially for social occasions. You cultivate your community and friends, and you leave the people that feel like this, alone and to others who share a likemind. The people who understand that you are worthy, yes, even with your disability, will be happy to include you and accomodate you. (the royal you, not you personally, Kara). There will always be people like this in the world. And there will always be others who DO understand and care for you, even with your disability. You can't make people change a mindset like this until they experience your walk for themselves. Or someone they care for does. So you educate the ones willing to be educated and leave the rest alone.

Very eloquently stated.

I'm sorry, where does "blame" come into it? You're sounding SO damn Old-Testament about this. I'm simply pointing out that a phenomenon exists. Not assigning blame for its existence.

Actually, they can be blamed for their choice to use a third-party voice technology that doesn't support Linux.



So, had LL not introduced voice, they would have been blameless of preventing people who could not type from using SL?

LL could also be blamed for not providing a viewer usable by both blind and deaf people too and Quadraplegics and people who can't afford to own a computer.

Tegg a wee bit more tact may be required. I think I understand what you're trying to say but it's not coming across well.

Voice has helped people with typing difficulties, Treasure posted about how a friend who types with their feet finds voice a better solution. Treasure needs to use aids to hear voice, so finds typing more convenient.

These features do exist and they enhance Second Life by widening the reach of Second Life.

What happens when everyone on FB has finally friended everybody else? It's bound to happen ... 6 degrees of separation and all that ... do they all level up together?

I appologise sincerely if my wording was inadequate to say what I meant to say. And I commend you for being able to understand other peoples non-understanding of disabilities, as there truely is no point getting upset over misunderstandings. Being partially blind I probably don't get so much trouble with people as most people don't realise I have a problem, unless I tell them. It's not the easiest thing to do, admitting a weakness to oher people you barely know.

LL can't provide an a choice if one of the choices is completely unusable due to the nature of someones disabilities.

If person can't use Voice due to the fact they are deaf, then LL can'd provide a good voice system for them short of an integrated voice to text and text to voice feature, which may yet happen. They didn't remove the text interface when they added voice or restrict it, they added another option. There are visual indications that people are using voice and , sure it's not great having to admit you have failed senses. But if people won't include you because of that then, they aren't worth knowing, there is a grid full of people out there and one of my friends in SL is 90% deaf so won't use voice and I have seen plenty of people adjust their conversation to text to include her because she has stated her problem. Being able to admit she is deaf is a hard thing to do.

If I was totally blind I don't think I could blame LL for not providing 3D modling tools for those who can't see what they would be trying to make.

Ummmm... I run Linux, and voice works just fine for me. I just choose not to use it.

The Linux subforum here is full of my posts from about a year ago when I was busy beating SLVoice into submission where I explained very clearly where the obstacles were. I believe that it is partly because of my investigative findings that we now have a version of SLVoice and libvivoxsdk.so that works with ALSA and Pulseaudio.

Just because the technology is proprietary does not mean it doesn't support Linux.

If Kevin Bacon friends me it's all over!

How about on Plurk?

Instant Karma...for everyone! I guess that would = Instant Nirvana!?



Would you be grateful if they did?

(No one's saying 'blame.')

Thanks for the apology, I didn't think you meant to come down quite as ham-fisted as you did. I remember from past posts that you have a visual impairment but I wasn't going to point that out here. However, you did. I know that admitting to a disability, especially a sensory one is difficult for some. It's not for me, it's the easiest thing in the world, because the more people know the nature and severity of my issue, the easier it is for them to understand what I require to participate. So I tell everybody, openly, all the time. I do know many like your friend though, who find it next to impossible to 'admit' to their circle of friends that an impairment exists.

Virtual Ability is a partner to Metanomics Voice to Text transcription. We have transcriptionists, many are professional ones who work in rl for captioning services, etc, that transcribe in voice meetings/classes, etc for those of us who require it. Perhaps the point here is that while we don't 'blame' LL for anything here, we seem to be capeable of discovering and providing/producing our own solutions, such as voice to text transcription. There are other things coming down the pipe for visual impairments, for those who choose to utilize. I don't 'blame' LL, but especially in the disabled community, I do expect (yes, expect!) to be accomodated with a text transcriber, if something that I attend is in voice. Second class citizenry doesn't become me, and that's how I feel, when shunted off with 'oh don't worry we'll blog it later' . I want to participate NOW, right along with you, and see no reason that can't be accomplished, especially if I am providing the means, myself. I know I've wandered somewhat off topic here, and sorry about that.